Lets be honest this debate has been going on for way too long and as of right now NA is better then EU. Europe had 3 slots at masters and failed to break the top 4. Ofc NA won masters. Now with teams like EG, Ghost, and 100t all arising in NA i think its safe to say like always : 1 the same EU teams will be there again (Liquid, Acend, Fnatic ext..) and with new talent i think NA will be the new Valorant powerhouse.
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babysasuke [#2]Anyone who thinks EU is still a Tier 1 region is delusional
NA's only challenge for this Masters is APAC
apac best achievement was 4th
bronzil made finals stay mad kid
number1_ScreaM_fan [#3]True but its a bit of a question mark as we would never know how fnatic or fpx wouldve done in masters.
but as of now till masters 2 Na>EU
agreed unlucky fpx couldnt make it, but not sure we can say they would of changed the winner
babysasuke [#2]Anyone who thinks EU is still a Tier 1 region is delusional
NA's only challenge for this Masters is APAC
fnatic is not apac btw
number1_ScreaM_fan [#6]apac best achievement was 4th
bronzil made finals stay mad kid
F0rsaken wipes scream bozo
babysasuke [#2]Anyone who thinks EU is still a Tier 1 region is delusional
NA's only challenge for this Masters is APAC
most sane faze fan
babysasuke [#14]F0rsaken wipes scream bozo
f0rsaken is inconsistent and has been mid fragging for a while. whereas jingg is wiping the floor.
first top frag as duelist then talk to scream
Mrityunjay [#17]just a question if something like FPX and Fnatic wouldve happpened with Optic , NA wouldnt have won a single match (Yeah im talking about GUARD) so why y'all rating EU bcuz of just 1 full team that was G2 ?!
good take
number1_ScreaM_fan [#16]f0rsaken is inconsistent and has been mid fragging for a while. whereas jingg is wiping the floor.
first top frag as duelist then talk to scream
Forsaken > scream
Mrityunjay [#17]just a question if something like FPX and Fnatic wouldve happpened with Optic , NA wouldnt have won a single match (Yeah im talking about GUARD) so why y'all rating EU bcuz of just 1 full team that was G2 ?!
yeah and G2 fluked their way into there anyways, they barely had made it out of groups
arecyc [#5]the last legitimate tourney was champs and NA didn't make top 4 ,2 teams got knocked out in groups and the same wil happen at this masters
The best tourneys was masters 3 in 2021 and masters 1 2022, champs and masters 2 were fucking boring
number1_anuj_fan [#32]EU has the only champions right now.
Masters is nothing but a qualifier to champions.
Stay mad NA streamer region kekw.
GUILD > OPTIC.
acend fluke win. Victor had covid, he wasnt in prime form, neither was marved. We are ten times better now.
meyournightmare [#26]Will be back here after Masters 2 when Fnatic or FPX will wipe the floor with NA
Yay > Derke
Victor = alfajer
Marved >>>>>>> Mistic
Crashies > Fearoth
FNS > Boaster
Revlo [#33]acend fluke win. Victor had covid, he wasnt in prime form, neither was marved. We are ten times better now.
OpTic didn't even make it past groups lmao
Valgod [#30]Team that has never won againt emea?
OpTic is so much better this year than last year.
NV vs gambit only had yay for one month, no team synergy yet.
NV vs Acend Victor had covid, wasn't in form.
Marved and victor are so much better this year then last year, crashies was considered our 2nd best player last year now he's around 3rd/4th.
Also FNS new strats this year are gigabrain.
EMEA will get exposed next time any of them go against OpTic.
patuj [#35]OpTic didn't even make it past groups lmao
victor had covid.
Also Marved and victor form are so much better this year that crashies was considered our 2nd best player last year, now he's around 3rd/4th
Revlo [#37]victor had covid.
Also Marved and victor form are so much better this year that crashies was considered our 2nd best player last year, now he's around 3rd/4th
with covid: envy 1-2 xerxia
without covid: optic 0-2 xerxia
kristof [#39]with covid: envy 1-2 xerxia
without covid: optic 0-2 xerxia
opTic always starts out slow I gave them the benefit of the doubt and they smacked xerxia in the rematch, but your a fraud who doesn't know shit about val so.
Revlo [#40]opTic always starts out slow I gave them the benefit of the doubt and they smacked xerxia in the rematch, but your a fraud who doesn't know shit about val so.
rematch was a fluke
and masters 1 is worthless anyway soo
kristof [#41]rematch was a fluke
and masters 1 is worthless anyway soo
13-9
13-6
pretty convincing win to me. But your a dumbass from a dogshit region so.
Revlo [#42]13-9
13-6
pretty convincing win to me. But your a dumbass from a dogshit region so.
xerxia would win 99 out of 100 times
Liquid game drained them out sadly
number1_ScreaM_fan [#6]apac best achievement was 4th
bronzil made finals stay mad kid
APAC got 3rd. Nuturn at Reykjavik 2021.
APAC also got 3rd this Masters. ZETA.
Revlo [#42]13-9
13-6
pretty convincing win to me. But your a dumbass from a dogshit region so.
Considering Surf had his second ever tournament and was playing professionally for the first time and had maybe 3 months of experience prior to Masters, Xerxia did insanely well.
Daniveus [#46]fnatic and fpx can both go 26-0 against any NA team
Fnatic and Fpx are TSM tier at best.
Revlo [#49]EMEA is too arrogant to realize NA shits on their fraud region.
Let Optic win a map against an EU team first 💀
Fucking 1 team region lol
TmhariMummy [#52]Let Optic win a map against an EU team first 💀
Fucking 1 team region lol
victor had covid and he said it greatly affected him. Damn imagine shitting on a guy with a life threatening virus. EMEA shitters going to a new low.
TmhariMummy [#52]Let Optic win a map against an EU team first 💀
Fucking 1 team region lol
also you got exposed by NIP and ZETA stfu shitter.
Revlo [#36]OpTic is so much better this year than last year.
NV vs gambit only had yay for one month, no team synergy yet.
NV vs Acend Victor had covid, wasn't in form.
Marved and victor are so much better this year then last year, crashies was considered our 2nd best player last year now he's around 3rd/4th.
Also FNS new strats this year are gigabrain.
EMEA will get exposed next time any of them go against OpTic.
sad you are giving all these excuses now and when EU people say their teams were not in the best form you just laugh it off. What is this hypocrisy
Revlo [#53]victor had covid and he said it greatly affected him. Damn imagine shitting on a guy with a life threatening virus. EMEA shitters going to a new low.
Bruh u are a walking L at this point....u make excuses for Victor having Covid and then talk about NIP and ZETA when Derke was out cz of COVID. NA brain Lmao.... only excuses from 1 team clown region
meyournightmare [#58]0-4 btw got clowned by Faze
and u still lost to them lmao. FaZe beat SEN who beat the "best team in EMEA" wow thanks for making me realize the depth of NA is so deeper than EMEA kekw.
TmhariMummy [#57]Bruh u are a walking L at this point....u make excuses for Victor having Covid and then talk about NIP and ZETA when Derke was out cz of COVID. NA brain Lmao.... only excuses from 1 team clown region
Im using EMEA hypocrisy against them. you're dumb as fuck.
Revlo [#54]also you got exposed by NIP and ZETA stfu shitter.
thankfully Derke had covid also and if Braveaf was there you would still make those excuses after optic would have gone out in playoffs
Revlo [#59]and u still lost to them lmao. FaZe beat SEN who beat the "best team in EMEA" wow thanks for making me realize the depth of NA is so deeper than EMEA kekw.
When it's 2022 and you still stuck in 2021
meyournightmare [#62]When it's 2022 and you still stuck in 2021
yep true. EMEA still bringing up NV vs gambit when YAY just joined kekw dumbass.
M0K1 [#61]thankfully Derke had covid also and if Braveaf was there you would still make those excuses after optic would have gone out in playoffs
Marved said they exposed every EMEA team in scrims. So the results wouldn't have changed either way.
Elcatsu [#20]Forsaken > scream
NGL, i was writing an article on the most consistent player in APAC and there was nothing nice i could say about f0rsaken. Had a ACS map chart that was all over the place. when watching vods it was more that the enemy team was hard countering f0rsaken. but also has some inconsistencies. F0rsaken is a great player, but with age comes consistency and f0rsaken is 18!
Revlo [#63]yep true. EMEA still bringing up NV vs gambit when YAY just joined kekw dumbass.
And yay joined and lost to X10
meyournightmare [#66]And yay joined and lost to X10
when victor had covid. You making fun off his condition at champs you clown?
Revlo [#64]Marved said they exposed every EMEA team in scrims. So the results wouldn't have changed either way.
Who cares about scrims result?
meyournightmare [#68]Who cares about scrims result?
Its just a little somethin to show how shite EMEA is compared to NA.
Revlo [#67]when victor had covid. You making fun off his condition at champs you clown?
You making fun off EMEA while Derke could not even get to play
Revlo [#69]Its just a little somethin to show how shite EMEA is compared to NA.
Where we can see the scrim result in valorant official matches history?
meyournightmare [#70]You making fun off EMEA while Derke could not even get to play
OpTic exposed Fnatic with derke in scrims, so no I'm not clown.
Revlo [#34]Yay > Derke
Victor = alfajer
Marved >>>>>>> Mistic
Crashies > Fearoth
FNS > Boaster
First off, I think Marved and Crashies ARE better than Mistic and Fearoth, Marved is so good.
I can understand the FNS pick, but we simply do not know who is better if we are being honest. IGL value is hard to quantify. Mechanically they're both not the best.
The rest is statistically and objectively incorrect. Yay lacks the versality of Derke and peak levels of play, although he is more consistent. Victor is worse, straight up. Don't get me wrong though Yay is a monster don't get me wrong, but Derke killed it being top 3 at every masters he has been to statistically.
Either way Envy and Fnatic have been my favourite teams in both regions since day 1, will be rooting for them both in Challengers.
archetype [#44]APAC got 3rd. Nuturn at Reykjavik 2021.
APAC also got 3rd this Masters. ZETA.
pretty sure some ppl downfragged me after i said KR and JPN were APAC
Revlo [#72]OpTic exposed Fnatic with derke in scrims, so no I'm not clown.
When you can't win a match against EMEA so all you care about some random scrims whose results people don't even know
M0K1 [#55]sad you are giving all these excuses now and when EU people say their teams were not in the best form you just laugh it off. What is this hypocrisy
Because EU is never in the best form KEKW
Kiklop [#47]Yes they lost 0 games
Optic soo good lost 1 against eg
Yep because losing a game in groups in the regional quals before playoffs even start really means a lot
Revlo [#64]Marved said they exposed every EMEA team in scrims. So the results wouldn't have changed either way.
why would they scrim with players that won't be able to play lmao
number1_ScreaM_fan [#74]pretty sure some ppl downfragged me after i said KR and JPN were APAC
It's a bit iffy as they all have their own circuits, but they all participate in APAC LCQ.
You could rename the APAC circuit to SEA, but OCE is in there too.
The server region of APAC is SEA+OCE+JP though, which seems to be the fairest method of definition imo.
namzelor [#11]As a NA player EMEA looks a bit stronger but i would not trash talk rn.
If we win copenhagen then we can shit on EMEA all we want but until then I rather keep my mouth quiet.
even NA admits it
any other proofs needed?
Revlo [#64]Marved said they exposed every EMEA team in scrims. So the results wouldn't have changed either way.
Just saying,
M3C shit on OpTic in scrims
number1_ScreaM_fan [#74]pretty sure some ppl downfragged me after i said KR and JPN were APAC
Scream is literally the most consistent player in all of vct, can’t believe ppl disagree with that.
Hide123 [#77]Yep because losing a game in groups in the regional quals before playoffs even start really means a lot
I'm just saying that fnc doesn't suck
Glaciate05 [#73]First off, I think Marved and Crashies ARE better than Mistic and Fearoth, Marved is so good.
I can understand the FNS pick, but we simply do not know who is better if we are being honest. IGL value is hard to quantify. Mechanically they're both not the best.
The rest is statistically and objectively incorrect. Yay lacks the versality of Derke and peak levels of play, although he is more consistent. Victor is worse, straight up. Don't get me wrong though Yay is a monster don't get me wrong, but Derke killed it being top 3 at every masters he has been to statistically.
Either way Envy and Fnatic have been my favourite teams in both regions since day 1, will be rooting for them both in Challengers.
Ok honestly I think Yay matches up exactly to Derke except he's even more consistent. Maybe his peaks are a little lower, but he's literally never had a slump, and always steps up when his team needs him.
I do agree about Victor, he's definitely not as good as Alfa online, although I'm interested to see how Alfa will do in his first LAN. He's a NUTTY player tho.
Dokka [#81]Just saying,
M3C shit on OpTic in scrims
If M3C plays like their BIG game against liquid I'll be so sad. It was tragic, and I'm really rooting for them to get better again!
zardinez [#85]Ok honestly I think Yay matches up exactly to Derke except he's even more consistent. Maybe his peaks are a little lower, but he's literally never had a slump, and always steps up when his team needs him.
I do agree about Victor, he's definitely not as good as Alfa online, although I'm interested to see how Alfa will do in his first LAN. He's a NUTTY player tho.
I did say Yay was more consistent we pre much fully agree
Glaciate05 [#87]I did say Yay was more consistent we pre much fully agree
Phrased it wrong sorry, my point is I think they bring equal levels of value to their teams so Yay = Derke. Obviously the whole concept of rating teams based on their individual players is stupid because the teamplay matters more. I'd say if Fnatic maintain their current form they beat Optic, but they've burned people in playoffs before soooo
zardinez [#86]If M3C plays like their BIG game against liquid I'll be so sad. It was tragic, and I'm really rooting for them to get better again!
Me too man, me too
They are practicing 11 hours a day though so I have hope
zardinez [#88]Phrased it wrong sorry, my point is I think they bring equal levels of value to their teams so Yay = Derke. Obviously the whole concept of rating teams based on their individual players is stupid because the teamplay matters more. I'd say if Fnatic maintain their current form they beat Optic, but they've burned people in playoffs before soooo
yeah 100%, I am very nervous, plus it is Alfajer's first LAN...
babysasuke [#2]Anyone who thinks EU is still a Tier 1 region is delusional
NA's only challenge for this Masters is APAC
NEW DOWNVOTE RECORD?
babysasuke [#2]Anyone who thinks EU is still a Tier 1 region is delusional
NA's only challenge for this Masters is APAC
yeah coming back to this after copenhagen, please keep this same energy
decort [#8]were talking about currently. Last major tourney was iceland, and NA took home the trophy, again.
so you completely disregard champs, how braindead are you bro?
RnJn [#31]The best tourneys was masters 3 in 2021 and masters 1 2022, champs and masters 2 were fucking boring
Masters 3 Berlin was hype
Champs was decent
williamm [#98]Masters 3 Berlin was hype
Champs was decent
Champs was fun bc of KRU upset almost beating Gambit(M3C)
M0K1 [#55]sad you are giving all these excuses now and when EU people say their teams were not in the best form you just laugh it off. What is this hypocrisy
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M0K1 [#55]sad you are giving all these excuses now and when EU people say their teams were not in the best form you just laugh it off. What is this hypocrisy
Hypocrisy what a word
Now i learned.
It s hard for me to forget since you used it about Americans.
MoonshineRB [#97]fnatic/FPX > any NA team
Fnatic > FPX > All NA groups = Guild > every other EU team
namzelor [#11]As a NA player EMEA looks a bit stronger but i would not trash talk rn.
If we win copenhagen then we can shit on EMEA all we want but until then I rather keep my mouth quiet.
EMEA is a bit stronger? Dude EMEA is a lot stronger imo. The amount of competitive teams in Europe vs NA aren’t even close. NA has shown two teams that are consistent. Optic is the only one that I’m impressed by. EU has at least 7 teams that can win an event. I’m not trying to take away what Optic won but I think the event would have been different if more than just one team could bring their full roster. If Gambit qualified they wouldn’t even been able to come lol.
kristof [#80]even NA admits it
any other proofs needed?
EMEA is stronger. I think if certain teams that qualified were allowed to bring their actual roster it would have been different. Don’t know why people think if one team wins an event that makes them the best region. It’s like people saying “oh Cloud9 won an event they are the best team in the world.” You gotta win multiple events in a row to get the #1 ranking.
Mrityunjay [#17]just a question if something like FPX and Fnatic wouldve happpened with Optic , NA wouldnt have won a single match (Yeah im talking about GUARD) so why y'all rating EU bcuz of just 1 full team that was G2 ?!
Someone with a brain. NA wins one event and they all think they are the best region. We have to win multiple events in a row to be able to claim that. The fact that EU only were allowed to bring one full roster explains enough. EU region as a whole has better and more competitive teams where NA has only two realistically.
EU has 7 competitive teams that can all win where NA has 1 lol. Just because a team from a region wins an event doesn’t mean they are the best. Gotta win multiple in a row. It’s not like if Brazil won we would be saying the same thing either lol.
As someone from NA the delusional NA fanbase always makes a good time.
TS_ChedZ [#65]NGL, i was writing an article on the most consistent player in APAC and there was nothing nice i could say about f0rsaken. Had a ACS map chart that was all over the place. when watching vods it was more that the enemy team was hard countering f0rsaken. but also has some inconsistencies. F0rsaken is a great player, but with age comes consistency and f0rsaken is 18!
ok nerd
HaSanity [#82]Scream is literally the most consistent player in all of vct, can’t believe ppl disagree with that.
Consistently overrated, consistently losing
Larry [#105]EMEA is stronger. I think if certain teams that qualified were allowed to bring their actual roster it would have been different. Don’t know why people think if one team wins an event that makes them the best region. It’s like people saying “oh Cloud9 won an event they are the best team in the world.” You gotta win multiple events in a row to get the #1 ranking.
EU is a 1 team region, with an IGL that has the same strats as the 12 year olds in your silver lobbies
stay mad EU bozo cry after masters
TS_ChedZ [#65]NGL, i was writing an article on the most consistent player in APAC and there was nothing nice i could say about f0rsaken. Had a ACS map chart that was all over the place. when watching vods it was more that the enemy team was hard countering f0rsaken. but also has some inconsistencies. F0rsaken is a great player, but with age comes consistency and f0rsaken is 18!
he is wildly inconsistent but very flashy. most vlr users only notice the flashy.
archetype [#44]APAC got 3rd. Nuturn at Reykjavik 2021.
APAC also got 3rd this Masters. ZETA.
Wait Hear me out
I think APAC refers to Sea oce and Sa
Because the LCQ with all asian regions was called Asia LCQ (not sure)
This time they call it APAC N & APAC S
archetype [#113]he is wildly inconsistent but very flashy. most vlr users only notice the flashy.
still one of the greatest players to ever touch the game on the planet though
TS_ChedZ [#115]still one of the greatest players to ever touch the game on the planet though
currently false. but I wouldn't be surprised if it became true.
Revlo [#69]Its just a little somethin to show how shite EMEA is compared to NA.
Gets downfragged in every single comment lmao........ Just stop replying
If you think any of these asian teams get even a map against fnatic then you are delusional. And at least watch some thing before saying the top teams are liquid and acend, fpx and Fnc are the best and i agree the rest of eu is weak atm but still these 2 teams enough to beat the optic who won just coz EMEA wasn't there
archetype [#116]currently false. but I wouldn't be surprised if it became true.
you can't be so quick to count out a top 10 APAC player, even with inconsistent ACS.
archetype [#44]APAC got 3rd. Nuturn at Reykjavik 2021.
APAC also got 3rd this Masters. ZETA.
They call you guys east asia now
Larry [#107]EU has 7 competitive teams that can all win where NA has 1 lol. Just because a team from a region wins an event doesn’t mean they are the best. Gotta win multiple in a row. It’s not like if Brazil won we would be saying the same thing either lol.
As someone from NA the delusional NA fanbase always makes a good time.
So does that mean that, that 7 competitive teams from eu got rekt by apac, br, jp? Lmao flawed argument
Also fake flagger lul
TS_ChedZ [#120]you can't be so quick to count out a top 10 APAC player, even with inconsistent ACS.
Top 10 APAC? Sure.
One of the greatest to ever touch the game? Doubtful. Game has only just hit the 2 year landmark.
hellohello139 [#76]Because EU is never in the best form KEKW
We won Champions 2021 and Berlin 2021.
My guy is trolling lol
Wronghand [#117]So, are we cheese under the patty or over the patty type of guys. Or no cheese, which is respectable. I like it over the top.
I respect the commitment to the RISE badge, most of the players have gone to good teams but not all. RIP ;-;
gerritz [#129]EU teams are good, but their fan base needs to die a slow death
not everyone is toxic brotha. same can be said for any region
gerritz [#129]EU teams are good, but their fan base needs to die a slow death
surely not the 100T flair assuming all eu fans are toxic
gerritz [#129]EU teams are good, but their fan base needs to die a slow death
says Murican with the most toxic fan base ever :D COD, LOL, Valorant, Halo :D you are the biggest problem in each game with toxicity even your pro are toxic :D thats why you suck in each game :P
babysasuke [#135]NA still better, FPX fluke anti-strat abusers with no idea on how to win, only stop other teams from winnings
pretty cringe honestly, enjoy last EMEA trophy for the next 5 years zzzzz
anti strat abusers 💀 💀 💀 💀
babysasuke [#135]NA still better, FPX fluke anti-strat abusers with no idea on how to win, only stop other teams from winnings
pretty cringe honestly, enjoy last EMEA trophy for the next 5 years zzzzz
Both gonna get destroyed by EDG anyways
babysasuke [#110]EU is a 1 team region, with an IGL that has the same strats as the 12 year olds in your silver lobbies
stay mad EU bozo cry after masters
??????
Burningquince [#140]Where do this idiots come from it has been proven again and again that every time emea vs na happens na shits everytime.
Fluke wins every time, NA still better
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