You guys should get out of your high heels and start to respect the "minor" regions. Hell we shouldn't even call those regions minor anymore. On the first year of the game you guys were superior, bringing lots of experience from other FPS and better tactics, but now seems to me that all the regions caught up to you. This playoffs are undeniable proof of that. So drop your sense of superiority and execpt that BR/APAC/JP/KR are now as good as you, or even better! Stopp underastimating us.
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Delusional take to be honest, just looking at the NA and EMEA teams at the moment its clear that roster changes and other things are going on so the teams that made Iceland aren't necessarily the best, just the survivors. Gambit is clearly struggling since the whole Russia fiasco started, FPX couldn't attend after looking their best in 2 years, Acend struggled to maintain their performance with the recent meta changes, Fnatic had 2 stand-ins. 100T and Sentinels are both in the middle of significant roster shuffles and struggles with adapting to the recent meta changes too.
Other regions have definitely stepped up and become more competitive, that's undeniable. But they aren't really facing the best of EMEA or arguably of NA either. (Optic is the only team from EMEA or NA that was actually expected to qualify for Iceland imo)
Kiminaru [#5]At this point, NA and EMEA too.
i understand how NA could be but EMEA got shafted this masters. NO FPX, Fnatic playing with 2 subs...
Ryzen_ [#6]Delusional take to be honest, just looking at the NA and EMEA teams at the moment its clear that roster changes and other things are going on so the teams that made Iceland aren't necessarily the best, just the survivors. Gambit is clearly struggling since the whole Russia fiasco started, FPX couldn't attend after looking their best in 2 years, Acend struggled to maintain their performance with the recent meta changes, Fnatic had 2 stand-ins. 100T and Sentinels are both in the middle of significant roster shuffles and struggles with adapting to the recent meta changes too.
Other regions have definitely stepped up and become more competitive, that's undeniable. But they aren't really facing the best of EMEA or arguably of NA either. (Optic is the only team from EMEA or NA that was actually expected to qualify for Iceland imo)
it wasn't that acend struggled with the new meta changes, zeek had mental issues and kiles was affected by the ukraine situation but i agree with you on everything else
orqn [#8]it wasn't that acend struggled with the new meta changes, zeek had mental issues and kiles was affected by the ukraine situation but i agree with you on everything else
I always forget that Kiles is Ukrainian. Any idea what the mental issues with Zeek were? Haven't heard about that before. Was just going by their in server performances.
clutchzero [#11]"ohh optic sucks, wait to see the guard, they're gonna destroy everyone"
they literally looked like even CRAZY RACOON could beat them."hurr durr FPX"
nobody cares if they couldn't go because political reasons, they can't prove themselves so the best european team is G2 by now.
yall so desperate to get the W
Ryzen_ [#6]Delusional take to be honest, just looking at the NA and EMEA teams at the moment its clear that roster changes and other things are going on so the teams that made Iceland aren't necessarily the best, just the survivors. Gambit is clearly struggling since the whole Russia fiasco started, FPX couldn't attend after looking their best in 2 years, Acend struggled to maintain their performance with the recent meta changes, Fnatic had 2 stand-ins. 100T and Sentinels are both in the middle of significant roster shuffles and struggles with adapting to the recent meta changes too.
Other regions have definitely stepped up and become more competitive, that's undeniable. But they aren't really facing the best of EMEA or arguably of NA either. (Optic is the only team from EMEA or NA that was actually expected to qualify for Iceland imo)
I only see excuses. But if FPX, But if Gambit didn't, But Acend, bla bla bla...
Zorontom [#13]Brazil would be so much more interesting if vivo disbanded and mwzera and heat find new teams.
APAC just needs to scrim with teams of other countries.
KR needs more slots.
NA needs to play their micky mouse tourneys and not choke.
EU is good just need to have their proper teams.
Mwzera and heat are on a new team right now. Next VCT will be a banger, since 2 players from VK got replaced for better ones.
n1zo [#2]FPX > All
Questions?
You can't say that since they didn't come. What if they came and underperfomed? The teams that they beat to qualify are all losing to BR/JP, sou wouldn't FPX be at the same level of BR/JP?
xD1LL4N [#7]i understand how NA could be but EMEA got shafted this masters. NO FPX, Fnatic playing with 2 subs...
still man... Fnatic got TRASHED. If they were that good they should at least be competitive with 2 subs, they got destroyed by the bottom 2 teams of the tournament.
n1zo [#2]FPX > All
Questions?
Yeah FPX would have absolutely dominated this tournament. There’s no chance they would’ve lost more than one series
Easy_for_MWZERA [#17]You can't say that since they didn't come. What if they came and underperfomed? The teams that they beat to qualify are all losing to BR/JP, sou wouldn't FPX be at the same level of BR/JP?
Nope not how logic works. FOX dominated the entire emea region. Liquid shouldn’t have been at masters cause they didn’t actually earn it, and fnc’s team was ripped to shreds. You need to shut your damn mouth and stop to consider what’s happened. This tournament has half the talent it would’ve had fnc been their best and fpx been able to play.
Ryzen_ [#6]Delusional take to be honest, just looking at the NA and EMEA teams at the moment its clear that roster changes and other things are going on so the teams that made Iceland aren't necessarily the best, just the survivors. Gambit is clearly struggling since the whole Russia fiasco started, FPX couldn't attend after looking their best in 2 years, Acend struggled to maintain their performance with the recent meta changes, Fnatic had 2 stand-ins. 100T and Sentinels are both in the middle of significant roster shuffles and struggles with adapting to the recent meta changes too.
Other regions have definitely stepped up and become more competitive, that's undeniable. But they aren't really facing the best of EMEA or arguably of NA either. (Optic is the only team from EMEA or NA that was actually expected to qualify for Iceland imo)
Optic has been the best team in NA for almost a year, they got NA's best results in all of the international tournamnets bisdes first masters. How can you be so based? And if gambit and acend played and didn't qualify, that means that they are, right now, worse than the ones that are here. Facts.
Fnatic with 2 stand ins, if they were really that good they should at leasts be competitive, but they got trashed by the bottom 2 teams in the tournament ffs, even if they came with full roster they would still lose. Other regions just got that stronger rn.
The only acceptable excuse is the FPX one, but it's an unproven one, no one knows how well would they play, they never reached internatnional events before and have the same core, may they had a fluke run this VCT? Idk. Still don't look to me that they are capable of winning or beating teams like DRX that is the most dominating team in this tournament.
You can call it Copium if you want, but EMEA is not represented by their best teams…
FPX couldn’t attend, Fnatic played with 2 stand ins and Liquid shouldn’t even be here. The only actually qualified EU team that is at Masters without any trouble is G2.
Not saying the other regions didn’t improve, because they certainly did. Also, the skill gap decreased for sure & teams are more evenly matched now. But it’s a rather unfair comparison imo.
xD1LL4N [#7]i understand how NA could be but EMEA got shafted this masters. NO FPX, Fnatic playing with 2 subs...
So... If fpx it's not at masters and the others teams are performing bad, that's mean EMEA are 1 team region too
nairolf1337 [#22]You can call it Copium if you want, but EMEA is not represented by their best teams…
FPX couldn’t attend, Fnatic played with 2 stand ins and Liquid shouldn’t even be here. The only actually qualified EU team that is at Masters without any trouble is G2.
Not saying the other regions didn’t improve, because they certainly did. Also, the skill gap decreased for sure & teams are more evenly matched now. But it’s a rather unfair comparison imo.
That can only be argued in favor of FPX, a team with a core that never qualified for any international tournament. We don't actually know how they would perform. About fnatic, even with 2 standins they were just demolished by the 2 worst teams in the tournament, they should've at least be competitive, looks tome that even with their full roster they would eventually lose to a stronger team, maybe not Zeta or NIP, but for sure LOUD or PRX.
Deadpanmitten94 [#19]Yeah FPX would have absolutely dominated this tournament. There’s no chance they would’ve lost more than one series
Holy delusion
Deadpanmitten94 [#20]Nope not how logic works. FOX dominated the entire emea region. Liquid shouldn’t have been at masters cause they didn’t actually earn it, and fnc’s team was ripped to shreds. You need to shut your damn mouth and stop to consider what’s happened. This tournament has half the talent it would’ve had fnc been their best and fpx been able to play.
So, you are telling me that EMEA is now a one team region? And that one team has the same core that never in their lifes qualified for an international tournament, and if they did this time they would destroy everyone?
Easy_for_MWZERA [#27]So, you are telling me that EMEA is now a one team region? And that one team has the same core that never in their lifes qualified for an international tournament, and if they did this time they would destroy everyone?
no he;s saying that two teams at the event were not the best the region had to offer
Deadpanmitten94 [#20]Nope not how logic works. FOX dominated the entire emea region. Liquid shouldn’t have been at masters cause they didn’t actually earn it, and fnc’s team was ripped to shreds. You need to shut your damn mouth and stop to consider what’s happened. This tournament has half the talent it would’ve had fnc been their best and fpx been able to play.
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What about NA? They came in full force and are still losing to the "MINOR" regions. You are basically telling me that only FPX from NA and EU could beat the minor regions, but even so you can't be certain, since they aren't here. Doesn't that show you that the best teams from each region are now of very similiar strenght?
Easy_for_MWZERA [#18]still man... Fnatic got TRASHED. If they were that good they should at least be competitive with 2 subs, they got destroyed by the bottom 2 teams of the tournament.
Do you even understand what 2 subs mean lmfao. Ask loud to play with two subs and we'll see
Sugma [#28]no he;s saying that two teams at the event were not the best the region had to offer
And that's why they were trashed by the 2 worst teams in the tournamnet? Now let me ask, do you think that if it was last year, this would've happened? I mean... If Gambit wasn't at masters Berlim, wouldn't EMEA win anyway? But nowadays just doesn't seem that easy right? Without your first seed looks like you guys are weaker than the other regions top teams... So this year only your top team can compete with the "MINOR" regions top teams? Doesn't that mean that the other regions basically caught up?
Easy_for_MWZERA [#31]And that's why they were trashed by the 2 worst teams in the tournamnet? Now let me ask, do you think that if it was last year, this would've happened? I mean... If Gambit wasn't at masters Berlim, wouldn't EMEA win anyway? But nowadays just doesn't seem that easy right? Without your first seed looks like you guys are weaker than the other regions top teams... So this year only your top team can compete with the "MINOR" regions top teams? Doesn't that mean that the other regions basically caught up?
Zeta isn't a bottom 2 team at the event lmao
Deadpanmitten94 [#19]Yeah FPX would have absolutely dominated this tournament. There’s no chance they would’ve lost more than one series
Well, looks like pure speculation to me. FPX has the same core that never in their lifes qualified for an international event, there's a big chance that they had a fluke run through VCT. We will never know. What's weid to me is that the greatest region EMEA needs one team to beat the weak regions. Right?
Easy_for_MWZERA [#17]You can't say that since they didn't come. What if they came and underperfomed? The teams that they beat to qualify are all losing to BR/JP, sou wouldn't FPX be at the same level of BR/JP?
that is the stupidest argument i've seen
wizardbot [#30]Do you even understand what 2 subs mean lmfao. Ask loud to play with two subs and we'll see
Didn't VK play with a sub last year? Their core could still make it competitive. We all know that the team has a core of 3 players and they could still perform with 2 subs. I'm not saying that their level was ok, but for them to win the whole tournament with the full lineup, shouldn't they have performed a little better with subs? Instead of losing 13x8 against ZETA?
patuj [#23]EMEA and NA still best regions based on competitive depth. Both regions have at least 4 teams who could be real contenders.
I agree with that. But the top teams from each region are now very caught up with EMEA's and NA's top teams. The difference is that most regions have only one or two very good teams, while EMEA and NA have 4, 5 or 6. Still, in an international LAN only the top teams qualify, so the competitiveness is there, every team looks like is on the same level.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#25]That can only be argued in favor of FPX, a team with a core that never qualified for any international tournament. We don't actually know how they would perform. About fnatic, even with 2 standins they were just demolished by the 2 worst teams in the tournament, they should've at least be competitive, looks tome that even with their full roster they would eventually lose to a stronger team, maybe not Zeta or NIP, but for sure LOUD or PRX.
I never said Fnatic wouldn’t most likely lose to the likes of DRX, G2, Loud etc.
All I was saying is that it’s an unfair representation.
Also, “the worst teams” at the tournament are still the best of their respective region. Missing 2/5 of your players (40% of your entire team) with virtually no time to implement the other two players into the system is expected to end in a rather disappointing result.
Sorry, but claiming that Fnatic wouldn’t have played better if they had braveaf & Derke is just wrong.
Sugma [#32]Zeta isn't a bottom 2 team at the event lmao
Yes they are. I don't really think they are better than Xerxia, they are within the bottom 4. Fighting with NIP, KRU and XERIA, all basically same lvl.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#38]Yes they are. I don't really think they are better than Xerxia, they are within the bottom 4. Fighting with NIP, KRU and XERIA, all basically same lvl.
At this event Kru, NiP, Xerxia, and Fnatic were worse. Liquid is arguable but they did beat them
Sugma [#32]Zeta isn't a bottom 2 team at the event lmao
Fr, my brother has been asleep during ZETA’s matches lmfao
nairolf1337 [#37]I never said Fnatic wouldn’t most likely lose to the likes of DRX, G2, Loud etc.
All I was saying is that it’s an unfair representation.
Also, “the worst teams” at the tournament are still the best of their respective region. Missing 2/5 of your players (40% of your entire team) with virtually no time to implement the other two players into the system is expected to end in a rather disappointing result.
Sorry, but claiming that Fnatic wouldn’t have played better if they had braveaf & Derke is just wrong.
I've never said they wouldn't have played better. I know for a fact that they would. I just don't think it would be enough to beat the best teams from those minor regions like DRX, PRX and LOUD. Those 3 teams are literally showing that the minor regions caught up with the best EU/NA teams that dominated those international lans last year. That's what the post is about, about how the best team of the minor regions caught up with the best teams from EMEA and NA. Pretty sure that if the 1st EMEA seed wasn't at champions, or last years masters, EMEA would still win the tournament. Today you NEED your top team to win it. That means the gap is very small today, maybe there isn't even a gap.
Sugma [#39]At this event Kru, NiP, Xerxia, and Fnatic were worse. Liquid is arguable but they did beat them
well Xerxia managed to beat optic and NIP lost to Zeta by one round after a comeback. You can't say they really are better than those teams, they are on the same level and Zeta advanced because of small details.
Ryzen_ [#10]I always forget that Kiles is Ukrainian. Any idea what the mental issues with Zeek were? Haven't heard about that before. Was just going by their in server performances.
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srvt2q
It was so bad that he couldn't play in the last game and purp0 stepped in for him. I think it's fortunately gotten better by now as he wasn't benched and will probably even become Acends new igl.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#31]And that's why they were trashed by the 2 worst teams in the tournamnet? Now let me ask, do you think that if it was last year, this would've happened? I mean... If Gambit wasn't at masters Berlim, wouldn't EMEA win anyway? But nowadays just doesn't seem that easy right? Without your first seed looks like you guys are weaker than the other regions top teams... So this year only your top team can compete with the "MINOR" regions top teams? Doesn't that mean that the other regions basically caught up?
nice 2 iq take u do realize FNC played the qualifiers with their full team? if they played it with subs theres no way they wouldve qualified and Liquid fluked the qualifiers too by dodging Gambit which is a way better team too xddddddd
Easy_for_MWZERA [#16]Mwzera and heat are on a new team right now. Next VCT will be a banger, since 2 players from VK got replaced for better ones.
We don't know what player Will be the fifth.
But i'm hoping for NZR(A player) or QCK(S player)
Easy_for_MWZERA [#21]Optic has been the best team in NA for almost a year, they got NA's best results in all of the international tournamnets bisdes first masters. How can you be so based? And if gambit and acend played and didn't qualify, that means that they are, right now, worse than the ones that are here. Facts.
Fnatic with 2 stand ins, if they were really that good they should at leasts be competitive, but they got trashed by the bottom 2 teams in the tournament ffs, even if they came with full roster they would still lose. Other regions just got that stronger rn.
The only acceptable excuse is the FPX one, but it's an unproven one, no one knows how well would they play, they never reached internatnional events before and have the same core, may they had a fluke run this VCT? Idk. Still don't look to me that they are capable of winning or beating teams like DRX that is the most dominating team in this tournament.
Seems logical to me. EU and NA are equally delusional
Easy_for_MWZERA [#42]well Xerxia managed to beat optic and NIP lost to Zeta by one round after a comeback. You can't say they really are better than those teams, they are on the same level and Zeta advanced because of small details.
Laz is xand's father, go cry in a corner bronzilian
Easy_for_MWZERA [#21]Optic has been the best team in NA for almost a year, they got NA's best results in all of the international tournamnets bisdes first masters. How can you be so based? And if gambit and acend played and didn't qualify, that means that they are, right now, worse than the ones that are here. Facts.
Fnatic with 2 stand ins, if they were really that good they should at leasts be competitive, but they got trashed by the bottom 2 teams in the tournament ffs, even if they came with full roster they would still lose. Other regions just got that stronger rn.
The only acceptable excuse is the FPX one, but it's an unproven one, no one knows how well would they play, they never reached internatnional events before and have the same core, may they had a fluke run this VCT? Idk. Still don't look to me that they are capable of winning or beating teams like DRX that is the most dominating team in this tournament.
Dude watch some of their matches, FPX are most definitely capable of beating DRX. Better fragging power plus insane midround adaptions. That being said, DRX is a great team and I'm excited to see them play against optic.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#41]I've never said they wouldn't have played better. I know for a fact that they would. I just don't think it would be enough to beat the best teams from those minor regions like DRX, PRX and LOUD. Those 3 teams are literally showing that the minor regions caught up with the best EU/NA teams that dominated those international lans last year. That's what the post is about, about how the best team of the minor regions caught up with the best teams from EMEA and NA. Pretty sure that if the 1st EMEA seed wasn't at champions, or last years masters, EMEA would still win the tournament. Today you NEED your top team to win it. That means the gap is very small today, maybe there isn't even a gap.
I honestly think they could. The M3C vs Fnatic game was possibly the best valorant I've ever seen from any region and any team, and I think either of those teams at full power would have a chance of beating any team in the world. Obviously not guaranteed and I definitely don't think they'd win everytime but I'd give it 55/45 in favor of either of those two teams.
repee [#45]everyone getting baited by Easy_for_MWZERA smh
Nah this dude is actually thinking and making points, a welcome change from most on VLR
I wouldnt say other regions caught up, but they certainly improved their game. On the other hand NA and EU are actually really unlucky. 1st seed of EMEA cant attend and also good teams like Acend and Gambit couldn't qualify (I know you are gonna think that if they are good why werent they able to qualify, but thats not how it always works). Also Guard from NA are a pretty good team but they have no LAN experience and they were put in playoffs directly where pressure is even higher. If they played some group stage games and shake their nerves, im sure they would've done better. But its nice to see other regions beating NA and EU teams, it is good for the scene and the game.
Regional superiority claims in any capacity is cringe. Every regions top teams are pretty much on equal footing, this masters proves that no region is "minor". Ffs Japan the #12th ranked team at masters is now a top 6. EMEA and NA have alot of competitive DEPTH but on an international level I'd say its anyones game this year. Anyone that tries to say "my region better than yours, your region is ass kekw" is just a smoothbrain because everyone deserves respect at this point.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#31]And that's why they were trashed by the 2 worst teams in the tournamnet? Now let me ask, do you think that if it was last year, this would've happened? I mean... If Gambit wasn't at masters Berlim, wouldn't EMEA win anyway? But nowadays just doesn't seem that easy right? Without your first seed looks like you guys are weaker than the other regions top teams... So this year only your top team can compete with the "MINOR" regions top teams? Doesn't that mean that the other regions basically caught up?
If gambit wasnt at masters berlin the finals wouldve been envy vs vision strikers
zardinez [#50]I honestly think they could. The M3C vs Fnatic game was possibly the best valorant I've ever seen from any region and any team, and I think either of those teams at full power would have a chance of beating any team in the world. Obviously not guaranteed and I definitely don't think they'd win everytime but I'd give it 55/45 in favor of either of those two teams.
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zardinez [#50]I honestly think they could. The M3C vs Fnatic game was possibly the best valorant I've ever seen from any region and any team, and I think either of those teams at full power would have a chance of beating any team in the world. Obviously not guaranteed and I definitely don't think they'd win everytime but I'd give it 55/45 in favor of either of those two teams.
So you basically agree with my point. Now your best teams have maximum 55% chance of beating the best teams of the minor regions, while if that same questions was asked in last years champions you would say 80%. Meaning the gap between the top teams of each region are very small or non existent.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#31]And that's why they were trashed by the 2 worst teams in the tournamnet? Now let me ask, do you think that if it was last year, this would've happened? I mean... If Gambit wasn't at masters Berlim, wouldn't EMEA win anyway? But nowadays just doesn't seem that easy right? Without your first seed looks like you guys are weaker than the other regions top teams... So this year only your top team can compete with the "MINOR" regions top teams? Doesn't that mean that the other regions basically caught up?
now imagine loud playing without aspas and sacy
br no team region, right?
Easy_for_MWZERA [#41]I've never said they wouldn't have played better. I know for a fact that they would. I just don't think it would be enough to beat the best teams from those minor regions like DRX, PRX and LOUD. Those 3 teams are literally showing that the minor regions caught up with the best EU/NA teams that dominated those international lans last year. That's what the post is about, about how the best team of the minor regions caught up with the best teams from EMEA and NA. Pretty sure that if the 1st EMEA seed wasn't at champions, or last years masters, EMEA would still win the tournament. Today you NEED your top team to win it. That means the gap is very small today, maybe there isn't even a gap.
Idk, think about Iceland 1 year ago… If they didn’t throw Split and Haven they would have had a very realistic chance to win against SEN.
Fnatic always gets underestimated, probably bc people don’t realize how well Boaster leads his team.
zardinez [#51]Nah this dude is actually thinking and making points, a welcome change from most on VLR
And receiving lots of downvotes of tilted EMEA fans. They can't accept that the gap between the best teams of each region are very small or non existent nowadays.
MerkFreeks [#54]Regional superiority claims in any capacity is cringe. Every regions top teams are pretty much on equal footing, this masters proves that no region is "minor". Ffs Japan the #12th ranked team at masters is now a top 6. EMEA and NA have alot of competitive DEPTH but on an international level I'd say its anyones game this year. Anyone that tries to say "my region better than yours, your region is ass kekw" is just a smoothbrain because everyone deserves respect at this point.
Exactly. Last year that was the truth, but now every region's top team can beat every region top team. Basically we're caught up to EMEA and NA's top lvl.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#60]And receiving lots of downvotes of tilted EMEA fans. They can't accept that the gap between the best teams of each region are very small or non existent nowadays.
I agree with you man. I do think M3C, Fnatic, and FPX at full strength are better than any other teams in the world rn, but I also think that could easily change in a few months. Valorant is still super new and it's very exciting to see that it's catering to teams worldwide.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#57]So you basically agree with my point. Now your best teams have maximum 55% chance of beating the best teams of the minor regions, while if that same questions was asked in last years champions you would say 80%. Meaning the gap between the top teams of each region are very small or non existent.
Yes I do agree there's a very small gap, never said differently.
Mca [#46]We don't know what player Will be the fifth.
But i'm hoping for NZR(A player) or QCK(S player)
I'm hoping for NZR to play sova and mw going to flex/chamber.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#61]Exactly. Last year that was the truth, but now every region's top team can beat every region top team. Basically we're caught up to EMEA and NA's top lvl.
Can't say you caught up to EMEA's level when the best team from EMEA couldn't even participate. If LOUD had beaten FPX, I would completely agree with you. NA on the other hand, you guys have certainly caught up.
zardinez [#49]Dude watch some of their matches, FPX are most definitely capable of beating DRX. Better fragging power plus insane midround adaptions. That being said, DRX is a great team and I'm excited to see them play against optic.
This is pure speculation, but still proves my point in the end. NA best teams are at the same level of the "minor" regions top teams, or even worse, after TGRD lost to PRX. And EMEA is desperatly in need of their 1st seed FPX to prove that they can beat those minor regions, since their 2nd seed, 3rd and 4rth are on the same lvl or worse than the minor regions. So my point stands, the best teams of the "minor regions" are on par with the top teams from NA and EMEA, the superiority era is over.
Blaku [#44]nice 2 iq take u do realize FNC played the qualifiers with their full team? if they played it with subs theres no way they wouldve qualified and Liquid fluked the qualifiers too by dodging Gambit which is a way better team too xddddddd
Ok, but G2 beat gambit right? So your 2nd best team is G2 right? Are you confident enough that G2 is far better than the top teams of other regions?
Don't you think that in last years champions, if Acend didn't atend, another EMEA team would've won? I mean, it was basically EMEA vs EMEA.
With that in mind, don't you think that the top teams of each region evolved a lot and now the gap between the best EMEA/NA teams and the "minor" region teams are very small or inexistent?
Chodez [#65]Can't say you caught up to EMEA's level when the best team from EMEA couldn't even participate. If LOUD had beaten FPX, I would completely agree with you. NA on the other hand, you guys have certainly caught up.
If LOUD had beaten FPX we wouldn't have caught up, we would be undisputed better. That's not what I'm arguing here.
zardinez [#63]Yes I do agree there's a very small gap, never said differently.
That's the only thing I'm trying to say. Last year was almost certain that a team from EMEA or NA would win. Now that certainty doesn't exist and every top team can beat each other, regardless of their region. The gap is very small. Everyone is very good.
dupreeeeeehalt [#58]now imagine loud playing without aspas and sacy
br no team region, right?
exactly. Loud now for brazil is a point out of the curve. That was never the case from EMEA or NA, their top teams were never far better than the rest. Acend, Gambit, FPX, G2, Liquid, Fnatic, there were many times that we thought one of them was the top and each of them could beat the other. Now you are in desperate need for FPX to play, cause they are the top 1 right now, just to beat trash BR,SEA,JP,KR? Understand my point now?
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