I mean they have some interesting setplays , executes, but this match againts C9 show so much their weaknesses . Tacitcal-shooter is not the game that only set-plays make you best team
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SETSUZA [#5]don't really get it, why would you want people to stop hyping up teams that represent them lol. vs are the best asian team and it's nice that the asian community have a team to root for, unlike in cs
Supporting vs Hyping up are 2 very different things.
And it's not just Asian fans who hyped them all. ALOT of us EMEA and NA fans did too.
The narrative behind them was really attractive and we all wanted a "minor" region team that could compete with the best of the best.
yungbasel [#7]Supporting vs Hyping up are 2 very different things.
And it's not just Asian fans who hyped them all. ALOT of us EMEA and NA fans did too.
The narrative behind them was really attractive and we all wanted a "minor" region team that could compete with the best of the best.
they still aren't doing anything wrong lol, saying "VS can make a deep run and potentially win it all" isn't some offensive statement
like let em hype their teams before the event, what's the point of going "ah... well hope they have fun... not gonna win anyways..."
SamBR [#3]except for EU all the other regions are kinda 50/50.
Even NA who think they superior they not.
Only played well Iceland, now are equal all other regions like you or not
Except for EU (#1) and BR (last place), all the other regions are kinda 50/50
yungbasel [#7]Supporting vs Hyping up are 2 very different things.
And it's not just Asian fans who hyped them all. ALOT of us EMEA and NA fans did too.
The narrative behind them was really attractive and we all wanted a "minor" region team that could compete with the best of the best.
Well but tbh they looked good ..can't really blame the hypers...but I guess they won't be hyped as much from now
bronzil71 [#10]Except for EU (#1) and BR (last place), all the other regions are kinda 50/50
I mean apart from the cam situation vk played very well against acend and then lost to x10, which just serves as a prove that every region is 50/50
arT_fan [#19]Because they dominate in LoL and OW and somehow the fans from those games have the same expectations in Valorant. But the majority of the top players are just the same people back in CS. Even VS is literally ex MVP-PK.
that is true but the playerbase is very small in korea. Need more growth in that area and we can produce some pretty good teams. They hype is there cause VS was the only team out of korea so what else is there to support lmao
yahmada [#20]that is true but the playerbase is very small in korea. Need more growth in that area and we can produce some pretty good teams. They hype is there cause VS was the only team out of korea so what else is there to support lmao
I'm not saying to stop supporting KR but what you said just adds to the case that your region is definitely overhyped.
arT_fan [#22]I'm not saying to stop supporting KR but what you said just adds to the case that your region is definitely overhyped.
Big difference with supporting and overhyping. You dont see us saying we ll beat any team. Its all fans rooting for them to go far in the tournament.
yahmada [#23]Big difference with supporting and overhyping. You dont see us saying we ll beat any team. Its all fans rooting for them to go far in the tournament.
So what's your point? I was just saying VS is overhyped and they just proved they really are. I'm not even telling you to stop supporting them. But a lot of people (maybe not you) are claiming they are a top 5 team in the world especially when they have a poor record internationally is just ridiculous.
Ive been saying this literally since beta. They are not very good. They rely almost entirely on gimmick strats and set pieces. They can bully small teams all they want but when they play vs real teams that can shut their set plays down they are completely lost. They cant improvise mid round at all or play from a disadvantageous position whatsoever. When theyre not reading off a script that tells them exactly when and where to use their utiI they are helpless. I was surprised at how close they made map 1 and 3 this time, since usually when they go down big early they fold. They need to spend a lot of time pugging it out, improving as individuals, and figuring out how to work off script. They have potential and are easily the best team in Asia but internationally they are not ready
arT_fan [#24]So what's your point? I was just saying VS is overhyped and they just proved they really are. I'm not even telling you to stop supporting them. But a lot of people (maybe not you) are claiming they are a top 5 team in the world especially when they have a poor record internationally is just ridiculous.
I mean their record internationally isn't that bad before this tournament. They made it out first in their group with SMB and Acend (this is when SMB was good) and only lost to Gambit, the eventual winners. They also took a map off of them as well.
PersonHere [#30]I mean their record internationally isn't that bad before this tournament. They made it out first in their group with SMB and Acend (this is when SMB was good) and only lost to Gambit, the eventual winners. They also took a map off of them as well.
You mean SMB the "onliners" and a shaky Acend that still got the nerves after their loss to VS which was evident when they played against SMB even though they won? Also, taking a map off against Gambit doesn't mean anything if you can't win the whole match. If you understand how map vetoing works you should know that it is very possible to take a map off even though you're a weaker team. That's why the top teams always have huge map pools to solve this issue.
arT_fan [#31]You mean SMB the "onliners" and a shaky Acend that still got the nerves after their loss to VS which was evident when they played against SMB even though they won? Also, taking a map off against Gambit doesn't mean anything if you can't win the whole match. If you understand how map vetoing works you should know that it is very possible to take a map off even though you're a weaker team. That's why the top teams always have huge map pools to solve this issue.
SMB were fine until the LCQ, where they flopped real hard (Which is online btw so ur onliner argument is kinda pointless) and also they beat Acend pretty hard (Not like a stomp but still convincingly the better team). I'm gonna say this now, even though I think he's a great player and a god sova, Lakia does not fit on the team. The team has great synergy and I think putting him on an agent he isn't really comfortable with on bind was not a smart move. And the part where you talked about map vetoing and picking is straight up useless because both teams won on each others map pick, not their own. Gambit, of course, looked better and are the better team, but you can't deny that they were a top 5 team in the world. Rn though they failed to adapt to the meta well, and they are most definitely not top 5, and no one right now is saying they are top 5. And the people who were claiming top 5 are looking at past results, which do show that they had top 5 potential, if not were top 5.
Edit: in the Lakia part I meant to say that the team has great synergy without Lakia
SenWinChampions [#27]i posted many times before that VS is overhyped and overrated. Every single time I got downvoted. People just cant think for themselves
Worry about Sen first buddy. Vs lost to C9 and Fnatic and you guys lost to Kru. Lost a 70/30 where the favors were in your side. SEN is the real overrated team the past 2 masters.
PersonHere [#32]SMB were fine until the LCQ, where they flopped real hard (Which is online btw so ur onliner argument is kinda pointless) and also they beat Acend pretty hard (Not like a stomp but still convincingly the better team). I'm gonna say this now, even though I think he's a great player and a god sova, Lakia does not fit on the team. The team has great synergy and I think putting him on an agent he isn't really comfortable with on bind was not a smart move. And the part where you talked about map vetoing and picking is straight up useless because both teams won on each others map pick, not their own. Gambit, of course, looked better and are the better team, but you can't deny that they were a top 5 team in the world. Rn though they failed to adapt to the meta well, and they are most definitely not top 5, and no one right now is saying they are top 5. And the people who were claiming top 5 are looking at past results, which do show that they had top 5 potential, if not were top 5.
Edit: in the Lakia part I meant to say that the team has great synergy without Lakia
So how does any of what you said refute any of my arguments? SMB falling off just means they're not really a top team. Beating Acend online does not matter much if it was just a seeding match and what's worse is they can't win against a broken-looking Acend on stage. Acend literally defeated Gambit in the qualifiers but nobody is claiming they are top 2. Also, my point about maps is about having huge map pools. By applying the logic that winning 1 map has merit, then it also means within the 100 map streak VS had, the teams that beat them in 1 map are closer in skill to them, which is an argument that doesn't make sense.
arT_fan [#34]So how does any of what you said refute any of my arguments? SMB falling off just means they're not really a top team. Beating Acend online does not matter much if it was just a seeding match and what's worse is they can't win against a broken-looking Acend on stage. Acend literally defeated Gambit in the qualifiers but nobody is claiming they are top 2. Also, my point about maps is about having huge map pools. By applying the logic that winning 1 map has merit, then it also means within the 100 map streak VS had, the teams that beat them in 1 map are closer in skill to them, which is an argument that doesn't make sense.
No one claimed that Visions Strikers were top 2 lmao. Idk where you got that, they never adapted to the meta well enough to be top 2, 3 or 4.
To make my point clear, cuz now i read back at this and realized that I never explained it. Korea as a region was definitely hyped more than they showed this Tournament. Most regions were (NA, Brazil). But between the 3, Korea probably proved themselves the most at Masters 3. Envy is damn good, but they made it out of the no EMEA group and didn't win against a single EMEA team. SEN flopped at Masters 3, and 100T flopped against Envy. Brazil just didn't make it out of groups. Korea, on the other hand, made it out first of arguably the second hardest group (Cuz Gambit and 100T looked insane during groups) and only lost to the eventual winners, placing 8th and showing mechanical skill that looked really promising. Yes, VS flopped hard, but there was a reasoning to people overhyping them.
I see why you say overhyping your team is bad, but most people are just on the hopium and wished for their team to do well. Theres nothing wrong with doing that.
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