India in E-sports

Fellow Indian friends.

India have 1 billion people in the country, why are they never a region inside the e-sports scene? At least at DotA, LoL, CSGO and valorant i dont see them appearing. Do people like e-sports in India?

It's a honest question, , this is not in any way flaming towards your region.

Edit: My point with population would be, because they could be a region on their own if they had a lot of people playing it. Like brazil has its own region, China normally have it too and etc..

Edit 2: I would like to thanks everyone that honestly answered me, i was trying to do one by one, but i see that i got a lot of answers haha

If someones wants a TL;DR answer this is what i got:

• Indian parents thinks that gaming is a waste of time and that you should focus on your studies (Engineering/Doctors?)
• Mobile games are actually huge in India, they like specially Pubg Mobile (which they are among the best) and free fire.
• PC is very expensive, even though internet is cheap.
• They have started at CSGO, but an unfortunate event (word.exe) happened and it harmed their scene.
• After pandemic PC culture started and we may expect them in future valo.

GE ia coming

too busy in sports

Unlike you bots indians dont have a direct route to masters 🙄

ShadowisBAD [#3]

too busy in sports

?

word.exe? They destroyed themselves in CS afaik don't know bout MOBA but they will definitely be good at Valo by 2023

ShadowisBAD [#3]

too busy in sports

But is there any e-sports that is big in India?

There some e-sports that is not big in the rest of the world, but are big in Brazil, like free fire (mobile game).

Esports is very new to India comparing to other regions, population doesn't matter here

Riizwan19xx [#4]

Unlike you bots indians dont have a direct route to masters 🙄

Why are you so agressive, man?

ShadowisBAD [#3]

too busy in sports

in cricket?

Population is not equal to performance , there are many factors which determine whether a particular nation will be good at something or not

Honestly, the esports scene is not taken seriously in India. Those who do take it seriously cannot get enough support or funding to make it to an international level. Its a cultural thing.

Better at studies

blinkedr159 [#7]

But is there any e-sports that is big in India?

There some e-sports that is not big in the rest of the world, but are big in Brazil, like free fire (mobile game).

There e-sports scene in Mobile games is kinda big like PUBG Mobil
OP Bolte Khopdi kholte Patt se Edshot

blinkedr159 [#7]

But is there any e-sports that is big in India?

There some e-sports that is not big in the rest of the world, but are big in Brazil, like free fire (mobile game).

india isnt famous in esports except word.exe , BUT india is popular in Sports

Indian parents are very anti-esports also mobile gaming is very popular in our region so very few people(in comparison to mobile gaming) follow the scene + The man, the myth, the legend- Nikhil "Forsaken" Kumawat

SkRossi >>> TenZ

Pubg mobile is the biggest eSport game in india. We arguably have best players in the world

economy

ItsMeDio [#10]

in cricket?

ya

D3KU [#8]

Esports is very new to India comparing to other regions, population doesn't matter here

Population was more because they could be a region on their own, like Brazil, China and etc...

I understand than.

So in the future we can see more of you guys, thats nice :)

studies=good
gaming=bad
according to boomers in india

u take jee exam or neet, or ur a degen, no support in India, my relatives even thrashing my choice of becoming anything i like, so forget about esports here

according to indian parents there is only two occupations in this world - doctor and engineer

Riizwan19xx [#4]

Unlike you bots indians dont have a direct route to masters 🙄

ayo chill tf out its not his fault man

Two reason:-
From start in India kids are taught if you get good marks you succeed otherwise you are a failure.
The above does not apply strictly if your family is well off.

Also PC cost a fortune in India, a decent PC will cost more than your families monthly income for general public.

Typical Indian parents goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

sank3tsu [#2]

GE ia coming

Reasons:
1.)Indian parents think gaming is a waste of time and send their children to study for exams like JEE and NEET.
2.)Mobile games are much more popular in the country (though cringe)

I wanted a gaming laptop in my 9th standard but my parents always told me "we will buy you when you get into IIT".
Bruh
*IIT-top engineering colleges in India. Harder to get into than Harvard,Standford etc.
(Also Brazil stop sending death threats)

PotatoCh1ps [#18]

Pubg mobile is the biggest eSport game in india. We arguably have best players in the world

If riot gives us even 1 direct slot next year i bet GE won't disappoint

no can afford a good pc

SnxZ [#14]

There e-sports scene in Mobile games is kinda big like PUBG Mobil
OP Bolte Khopdi kholte Patt se Edshot

Oh nice, i dont watch mobile games. Thats why i didnt know. Thanks for the answer.

Internet only became widely accessible in past 7-8 years

They are underdeveloped in esports plus not a lot have the privilege for good PCs and internet (correct me if I'm wrong indians).

The average income of an Indian is less than 2k usd annually, so they cant afford proper infrastructure. Its also seen as a bad career choice and is highly discouraged within the household

PotatoCh1ps [#18]

Pubg mobile is the biggest eSport game in india. We arguably have best players in the world

Godlike eSports is the only team currently that can compete internationally and that too I don't expect much out of them!!Have a look at the ongoing PMGC and the experience and mechanics they have for explanation.

blinkedr159 [#9]

Why are you so agressive, man?

i think cuz he thought the Toxic BR fans wanted to target india for their current beef with NA EU etc , i think he misunderstood but idk

Many Factors come into why we are not great or dominant in eSports

1. We are poor , yes we are poor most of us don't have pcs or laptops to play games like LoL or Valorant
2. our society in general is not outgoing so many parents don't want their children to become pro gamers sadge.
3. less tournament opportunity and exposure internationally

But tbh eSports in general has seen a huge blow in our region in 2018 due PUBGM , most of the Indian fanbase of valo are from PUBGM , PUBGM is flourishing because it's a mobile game and it's easily affordable. Many of my friends know alot about Valorant like teams comps maps players but they themselves have not played the game cuz they don't own a pc.

ShadowisBAD [#15]

india isnt famous in esports except word.exe , BUT india is popular in Sports

Thanks for the answer shadowisbad :)

I didnt know about word.exe, just googled it. 2018 was a year that i didnt watch anything, i was finishing university, working, so i didnt have that much time.

wedqatwrtgehge [#33]

They are underdeveloped in esports plus not a lot have the privilege for good PCs and internet (correct me if I'm wrong indians).

internet is cheap. PCs can be built, but parents think its a waste of money

RG [#29]

If riot gives us even 1 direct slot next year i bet GE won't disappoint

We can beat CR for sure

Riizwan19xx [#4]

Unlike you bots indians dont have a direct route to masters 🙄

Kekw

We invest too much on IITians as a result most indians are on big position in many MNCs but asia in general don't believe in esports as a career. There were an incident occured in 2018 in csgo that dragged esports in india to darkness if it didn't had happened maybe india would be much better than it is right now. However I dont think we had lol or dota tournaments (i really dont know about them ). Still there is hope as the esports scene in india is growing thanks to pubg and lockdown xD.

0_AwayFromKindness [#35]

Godlike eSports is the only team currently that can compete internationally and that too I don't expect much out of them!!Have a look at the ongoing PMGC and the experience and mechanics they have for explanation.

Xspark?

High Cost of PC parts and strict parents who constantly worry about kids education

ShadowisBAD [#36]

i think cuz he thought the Toxic BR fans wanted to target india for their current beef with NA EU etc , i think he misunderstood but idk

Yup sorry i thought he was shit talking india mb.

SnxZ [#6]

word.exe? They destroyed themselves in CS afaik don't know bout MOBA but they will definitely be good at Valo by 2023

I think its more of Optics fault for not properly doing check on him and for not supporting rest of the players.
Optic fucked up.

Cause we aren't that good
In order to improve we need to play against good regions, even while playing against sea teams there is always a ping diff.
Also indian make shit decisions, most of them stick with the same team(eg. ge have two bad players but they won't consider roster change, adding some young new talent will make them insta top 3 even in sea/kr/jp in about 2-3 months)

GuiltyUpstairs [#28]

Reasons:
1.)Indian parents think gaming is a waste of time and send their children to study for exams like JEE and NEET.
2.)Mobile games are much more popular in the country (though cringe)

I wanted a gaming laptop in my 9th standard but my parents always told me "we will buy you when you get into IIT".
Bruh
*IIT-top engineering colleges in India. Harder to get into than Harvard,Standford etc.
(Also Brazil stop sending death threats)

Oh i get it, mobile games are becoming huge in brazil now. I think somehow its going to get its space in the rest of the world soon, specially if china continues on this trend.

Here in Brazil is not everybody that can have a computer to play, but its more because of the economic condition of the country. A gaming computer nowadays are very expensive.

In a certain way, indian parents are kinda right, for most people games are just hobbies, not a career.

wedqatwrtgehge [#33]

They are underdeveloped in esports plus not a lot have the privilege for good PCs and internet (correct me if I'm wrong indians).

internet is super cheap here . that's why t series blew up

Crapycat [#37]

Many Factors come into why we are not great or dominant in eSports

1. We are poor , yes we are poor most of us don't have pcs or laptops to play games like LoL or Valorant
2. our society in general is not outgoing so many parents don't want their children to become pro gamers sadge.
3. less tournament opportunity and exposure internationally

But tbh eSports in general has seen a huge blow in our region in 2018 due PUBGM , most of the Indian fanbase of valo are from PUBGM , PUBGM is flourishing because it's a mobile game and it's easily affordable. Many of my friends know alot about Valorant like teams comps maps players but they themselves have not played the game cuz they don't own a pc.

oh and dont forget about internet, internet usage started increasing only after the JIO entered markets and made it more affordable around 2018

DeathStroKE [#39]

internet is cheap. PCs can be built, but parents think its a waste of money

Ah I see

Riizwan19xx [#45]

Yup sorry i thought he was shit talking india mb.

Np bro.

I am actually interested in understanding India's gaming scene.

DeathStroKE [#39]

internet is cheap. PCs can be built, but parents think its a waste of money

nah still PC's parts are expensive for general public

Factos

idkwhoshouldisupport [#50]

oh and dont forget about internet, internet usage started increasing only after the JIO entered markets and made it more affordable around 2018

factos

Spicy_Paratha [#47]

Cause we aren't that good
In order to improve we need to play against good regions, even while playing against sea teams there is always a ping diff.
Also indian make shit decisions, most of them stick with the same team(eg. ge have two bad players but they won't consider roster change, adding some young new talent will make them insta top 3 even in sea/kr/jp in about 2-3 months)

no cap, i think that maybe its a cultural thing?
they just arent very willing to open up for changes.

PotatoCh1ps [#18]

Pubg mobile is the biggest eSport game in india. We arguably have best players in the world

I know that a lot of people played PUBG mobile in brazil, but they switched someday to freefire, its probably top 3 e-sports in brazil right now.

As i dont follow mobile games, i didnt know.

I will take a look into the teams later.

SnxZ [#6]

word.exe? They destroyed themselves in CS afaik don't know bout MOBA but they will definitely be good at Valo by 2023

they didn't destroy themselves. it was 1 guy. india is a country with 1 billion+ people.

Spicy_Paratha [#47]

Cause we aren't that good
In order to improve we need to play against good regions, even while playing against sea teams there is always a ping diff.
Also indian make shit decisions, most of them stick with the same team(eg. ge have two bad players but they won't consider roster change, adding some young new talent will make them insta top 3 even in sea/kr/jp in about 2-3 months)

probably top 3 in jp, but no way in sea. i can't see them beating prx,ts,boom,fs,x10

same w pak
we have only won smth in like 1 esport

blinkedr159 [#52]

Np bro.

I am actually interested in understanding India's gaming scene.

Its not that bad now actually GE and VLT looks promising. If riot actually gives us a slot to masters, im pretty sure they will deliver.

DeathStroKE [#39]

internet is cheap. PCs can be built, but parents think its a waste of money

dude what?
pc's are still expensive
edit:cringe

E-sport is not considered as a career but rather as a way to pass our time (for fun) because of how we grew up, but the most important thing was having internet as people outside major cities did not have a proper network connection that can be used with the economy available, but at 2017 "Jio" started providing free data (it is more complicated to explain why? like the govt banned higher denomination money and introduced new so they had to clean up their black money, well you can search it up but i doubt you will understand), because of that we got access to online games (mostly mobile games) as some already said, pubg became the popular choice until it got banned (again politics but international lol), then due to lockdown every person had to get a laptop unless they are too poor and a stable wifi (even tho it is not free now it is really cheap) thus valorant became popular and apex too but not as popular as valorant. and we got a cheating case in counter strike as most people know which reduced the credibility, that being the case india has started to come towards valorant as most educational institutions introduced esport into their "sports days" along with other physical sports. So yeah you may expect india in future esports venue.

blinkedr159 [#57]

I know that a lot of people played PUBG mobile in brazil, but they switched someday to freefire, its probably top 3 e-sports in brazil right now.

As i dont follow mobile games, i didnt know.

I will take a look into the teams later.

when pubgm got banned last year freefire also blew up in India

DeathStroKE [#22]

studies=good
gaming=bad
according to boomers in india

You're 100% correct

DragonDrac [#26]

Two reason:-
From start in India kids are taught if you get good marks you succeed otherwise you are a failure.
The above does not apply strictly if your family is well off.

Also PC cost a fortune in India, a decent PC will cost more than your families monthly income for general public.

yup,
focus on esports=degen
it is still not a very viable option in india ig

$$$

Please dont make valorant much famous in India else Indian Government will ban this too(like they banned PUBG). Let us have something to play. ty

idkwhoshouldisupport [#62]

dude what?
pc's are still expensive
edit:cringe

Bhai ye jee clear karne wali baat cringe nahi lagti, kyon baar baar bolna hai, btw same thing happened with me

GznG [#59]

probably top 3 in jp, but no way in sea. i can't see them beating prx,ts,boom,fs,x10

Well there is an tournament comming soon "TEC intel challengers" after champions end and it would have teams like boom, bren from singapore and ge, etc from south asia so we will see if they can beat boom or not :).

SKara [#42]

We invest too much on IITians as a result most indians are on big position in many MNCs but asia in general don't believe in esports as a career. There were an incident occured in 2018 in csgo that dragged esports in india to darkness if it didn't had happened maybe india would be much better than it is right now. However I dont think we had lol or dota tournaments (i really dont know about them ). Still there is hope as the esports scene in india is growing thanks to pubg and lockdown xD.

Why iits are the focus of this conversation? I don't understand

langadaaam [#69]

Bhai ye jee clear karne wali baat cringe nahi lagti, kyon baar baar bolna hai, btw same thing happened with me

it is what it is dude, i just accepted it and moved on

MrShailesh [#68]

Please dont make valorant much famous in India else Indian Government will ban this too(like they banned PUBG). Let us have something to play. ty

Stfu

GznG [#59]

probably top 3 in jp, but no way in sea. i can't see them beating prx,ts,boom,fs,x10

true, maybe top 5-6

GuiltyUpstairs [#28]

Reasons:
1.)Indian parents think gaming is a waste of time and send their children to study for exams like JEE and NEET.
2.)Mobile games are much more popular in the country (though cringe)

I wanted a gaming laptop in my 9th standard but my parents always told me "we will buy you when you get into IIT".
Bruh
*IIT-top engineering colleges in India. Harder to get into than Harvard,Standford etc.
(Also Brazil stop sending death threats)

try getting into Harvard cse it's not easy

shyftnot [#58]

they didn't destroy themselves. it was 1 guy. india is a country with 1 billion+ people.

sure but anyone who thinks of the Indian CS scene now thinks of word.exe first, reputation damaged forever, scene harmed forever. One guy can do a lot.

ciro [#34]

The average income of an Indian is less than 2k usd annually, so they cant afford proper infrastructure. Its also seen as a bad career choice and is highly discouraged within the household

tbh everything used for daily life is also much cheaper when you compare to US dollars.

On the other side PC components cost even higher (about double the price) for what you can buy it in the US.

The average is not a good metric comparing India cause there are at least 300 million households that make much more than 2K USD a year (enough to afford basic infra) and that is about equal to the population of the US which is the 3rd largest country by population.

Career choices and how people see esports is still the larger picture.

Thanks for all the answers, i edited the post with the main points that i got from here.

If you want me to put something in the TL;DR so other people may understand it too, just type under this comment.

Im going to watch FUR vs KRU for now, but i can edit later.

DragonDrac [#26]

Two reason:-
From start in India kids are taught if you get good marks you succeed otherwise you are a failure.
The above does not apply strictly if your family is well off.

Also PC cost a fortune in India, a decent PC will cost more than your families monthly income for general public.

theyre not wrong tho, studiying is a safer route than gaming

langadaaam [#71]

Why iits are the focus of this conversation? I don't understand

We get alot of support from our families to pursue IITs but not many families will support their child if they wanna become a pro from the begining.

MrShailesh [#68]

Please dont make valorant much famous in India else Indian Government will ban this too(like they banned PUBG). Let us have something to play. ty

bruh pubg was banned because of it ties with chinese company..u even know the whole thing that happened?
pubg was not the only thing that was banned

killuaKun [#75]

try getting into Harvard cse it's not easy

Try getting into IIT CSE.

lol

PS: Though I agree a lot of Indians/people internationally as well think getting into Harvard is easier than an IIT. That is actually not true. Getting into Harvard specifically is tougher than an IIT. However, if you apply to all Ivy League and don't have a problem with which one you join, it is generally easier than an IIT.

The probability that a single ivy league will reject you is very high but when you apply to a lot of universities chances increase significantly.

rohooster [#76]

sure but anyone who thinks of the Indian CS scene now thinks of word.exe first, reputation damaged forever, scene harmed forever. One guy can do a lot.

yes. but how is that their fault? think of the other players on the stage, they had promising talent but 1 incident ruined their career. it will take years for a chance of that magnitude to show up again.

Only recently has technology and infrastructure evolved to a point wherein a greater portion of India is even aware of the existence of "e-sports". Still, this number is almost certainly less than a tenth of the population. Similarly, organizations and financial support has increased tremendously in recent years, permitting more and more upcoming players to dedicate themselves to the game.

I think India will start making a dent in the next few years: more and more people are playing games, investment is increasing (tournaments, organizations, infrastructure), and interest is mounting. With the massive potential player base slowly being realized, talent will start to shine and the opportunities to develop skills will become abundant - everything required from a successful esport region is steadily becoming present.

its growing but new players dont put effort to get good its mostly players from cs who switched to valo so we dont have good teams yet

Internet penetration exploded only within the past decade, and PC ownership increased mainly due to COVID. Most Indian homes didn't have PCs, and still don't. We are a primarily rural nation, mobile penetration is huge though.

btw u can build a decent pc for 500$ and a good one for 2k . its not the costly if your parents are working in a company paying 12k per year .

GlaZeD [#81]

bruh pubg was banned because of it ties with chinese company..u even know the whole thing that happened?
pubg was not the only thing that was banned

with that logic , Tencent owns 100% of Riot Games.
If any game or publisher wud be to come on gov's crosshairs , it would be Riot(Valorant) only.

killuaKun [#75]

try getting into Harvard cse it's not easy

By harder i think he meant acceptance rate

Population doesn't really matter in these things, it's about player base

langadaaam [#89]

By harder i think he meant acceptance rate

yea IIT's acceptance rate is low coz every tom dick and hardy applies for it whereas someone with 2 gpa wont even think of applying for it + the quality of students applying at IVY's is better than 1 mil students applying for JEE

Pubg mobile

vsk [#87]

btw u can build a decent pc for 500$ and a good one for 2k . its not the costly if your parents are working in a company paying 12k per year .

50 Frames is decent for you?

Hidden_Name [#91]

yea IIT's acceptance rate is low coz every tom dick and hardy applies for it whereas someone with 2 gpa wont even think of applying for it + the quality of students applying at IVY's is better than 1 mil students applying for JEE

Agreed 100%

p1lot [#79]

theyre not wrong tho, studiying is a safer route than gaming

There are no fcking jobs left even after studying. People literally have to work on low wages at the jobs, where you can earn a good amount in other nations like the US. The only way is that you graduate from IIT or some shit. Some of these streamers and Pros are earning more than that of a bloody graduate, who fucked up his life doing some nonsensical shit.

SnooTangerines [#82]

Try getting into IIT CSE.

lol

PS: Though I agree a lot of Indians/people internationally as well think getting into Harvard is easier than an IIT. That is actually not true. Getting into Harvard specifically is tougher than an IIT. However, if you apply to all Ivy League and don't have a problem with which one you join, it is generally easier than an IIT.

The probability that a single ivy league will reject you is very high but when you apply to a lot of universities chances increase significantly.

Then the problem would be the lack of colleges and seats. Your gov should do something about it

The problem is twofold honestly, cheap data and cheaper smartphones means everyone and their moms first gaming experience is a mobile game. The PC gaming scene is so laughably underdeveloped that it barely even exists, what little did exist, we ruined for ourselves.

It's difficult to face things the way they are but it would've taken a miracle for any indian esports team let alone GE to make it out of the lcq. Put up against the world our region is pretty dogshit.

I was low pro player during my college days and to be honest I was earning shit by esports then my parents decide to put a full stop on gaming career. Now am working as a software engineer and earning more than average everytime I think about past and realise my parents were not wrong there is very low scene of gaming in India and now am earning some out so I can fulfill my dream at least. That's why esport is not big in India and highly doubt it would be big in India soon yoo

PotatoCh1ps [#43]

Xspark?

nah! they are a new team.

killuaKun [#96]

Then the problem would be the lack of colleges and seats. Your gov should do something about it

Can't.. Since the country is already producing 3 times more engineers than it actually require. So more seats is only gonna mean more unemployed.
First there needs to be a spike in job openings.

Generally, people don't have pc's. Those who play and are some what dedicated to it, 90 percent of the time get ridiculed for saying they would like to go pro in esports. "Esports" in general is not seen as a profession in India, and some parents who are bit more open minded, see the toxicity in the scene and discourage they're children. Also the mumbai server's toxicity is something else, and even if you love the game, many just leave beacuse of that. So by adding factors such as studies + general discourgement by family members + PC's being costly + toxicity in the ranked q. A couple of my friends hit radiant and dreamed of going pro, got offers to trial for teams, but in the end life caught up to them, and they were forced to give up the game and start grinding and study for competive exams with the top colleges as a goal (let's say has a 100 seats) while around a million people write the exam. The pressure just gets to the average Indian youth with Esports dreams I'd say and they just give it up.

killuaKun [#75]

try getting into Harvard cse it's not easy

you would have a harder time trying to get into an nit than that

dolphincandy [#73]

Stfu

aur angrezi aati h gawaar ?

Fate01 [#88]

with that logic , Tencent owns 100% of Riot Games.
If any game or publisher wud be to come on gov's crosshairs , it would be Riot(Valorant) only.

yeah bro but they wont understand they r same people who spam Skrossi in every stream/chat and dont know shit about anything else. They only read headlines in newspaper.

DeathStroKE [#22]

studies=good
gaming=bad
according to boomers in india

They're kinda not wrong considering how much competition we have here, with such a huge population everything has 1000 more people going after it, making even easy tests hard to crack just because of sheer numbers.

PSxUchiha [#105]

They're kinda not wrong considering how much competition we have here, with such a huge population everything has 1000 more people going after it, making even easy tests hard to crack just because of sheer numbers.

replying a 7 month old post

trash region what do you expect full of lazy people

StickerZ [#107]

trash region what do you expect full of lazy people

sadly singapore is irrelevant as well

StickerZ [#107]

trash region what do you expect full of lazy people

I feel sad for you bro, must have been a pretty rough life to try and get attention in vlr threads...and i am waiting for bleed to play in vct pacific OH they did not get a slot lmao...because of lazy and trash org i guess lmao.