Camera blame thread. Come here to vent!

Riot are nincompoops for not fixing the glitch after it was exploited twice in high-level play.

I'm annoyed that Vivo Keyd decided to use this camera when X10, and Giants both did and got punished. They clearly displayed that they were more than capable of beating Acend. It would absolutely suck if all that went to waste.

Finally, it sucks even more that people are attempting to justify these actions. It would be very annoying to X10 fans, who spent days protesting on social media if Vivo Keyd got off with a less severe punishment. (see https://www.upcomer.com/x10-use-illegal-cypher-camera-during-vct-challenger-playoffs-match/)

Relevant links:
https://www.upcomer.com/x10-use-illegal-cypher-camera-during-vct-challenger-playoffs-match/ - x10 situation, the most recent incident
https://www.vct.gg/news/129265-vct-competitive-ruling-vodafone-giants - Guild situation, "ground zero"
https://twitter.com/LucasRojo/status/1466819281598005256 - Explanation of the glitch

nooooo,vk can use it intentionally because they deserve the win

even with several noise about it coming from news and X10 fans, I think Jhow didn't know about it, he would not do it knowing that this could be bad for his team. The blame is all over riot shoulder for me, because tha camera position was not a direct factor about the VK win

tatubolinha [#3]

even with several noise about it coming from news and X10 fans, I think Jhow didn't know about it, he would not do it knowing that this could be bad for his team. The blame is all over riot shoulder for me, because tha camera position was not a direct factor about the VK win

Ignorantia juris non excusat

Riot has to do something to protect their image imo, that cost X10 their spot at Berlin masters and Giants that game

tatubolinha [#3]

even with several noise about it coming from news and X10 fans, I think Jhow didn't know about it, he would not do it knowing that this could be bad for his team. The blame is all over riot shoulder for me, because tha camera position was not a direct factor about the VK win

But I got your point they should pause the match right away.

tatubolinha [#3]

even with several noise about it coming from news and X10 fans, I think Jhow didn't know about it, he would not do it knowing that this could be bad for his team. The blame is all over riot shoulder for me, because tha camera position was not a direct factor about the VK win

Doesn't Riot explicitly go over current bugs/exploits in the game to the teams participating? They do that for League, don't see why they shouldn't do that for Valorant.

wLainw [#4]

Ignorantia juris non excusat

right, but riot had to make it clear about the bug, or fixing it after 6 months of the X10 episode.

tatubolinha [#3]

even with several noise about it coming from news and X10 fans, I think Jhow didn't know about it, he would not do it knowing that this could be bad for his team. The blame is all over riot shoulder for me, because tha camera position was not a direct factor about the VK win

There's a chance he didn't. X10 and Vivo Keyd both communicate in languages other than English

tatubolinha [#3]

even with several noise about it coming from news and X10 fans, I think Jhow didn't know about it, he would not do it knowing that this could be bad for his team. The blame is all over riot shoulder for me, because tha camera position was not a direct factor about the VK win

Talking about only the camera thing, whether he knows or not doesn't mean shit, if you don't know the law and break it you still broke it and will get punished lmao what argument is this?? Only way it's riots fault is because they didn't fix it right away but then again it falls again onto vk for doing it and idk how big or often of a factor it was but the punishment shouldnt be too big idk

wLainw [#4]

Ignorantia juris non excusat

This is not law. And If It was you should know that juspositivism is only applied in territorial sphere. Brazil was NEVER punished for a camera or even knew about It. Do you know some Law of another random country of the World besides logic? No right. How would we know that a random camera would be ilegall If Riot don't says It. If It is ilegall It should be fixed.

vollizie [#7]

Doesn't Riot explicitly go over current bugs/exploits in the game to the teams participating? They do that for League, don't see why they shouldn't do that for Valorant.

They doesn't this is f up

tatubolinha [#3]

even with several noise about it coming from news and X10 fans, I think Jhow didn't know about it, he would not do it knowing that this could be bad for his team. The blame is all over riot shoulder for me, because tha camera position was not a direct factor about the VK win

copium. vk played beautifully and deserved the win today, but there is no way a competitor at the biggest yet valorant tourney is let get away with using a glitch cam spot. especially when it has been punished for before.

hellaeleganceyeah [#13]

copium. vk played beautifully and deserved the win today, but there is no way a competitor at the biggest yet valorant tourney is let get away with using a glitch cam spot. especially when it has been punished for before.

This

Gomes255 [#10]

Talking about only the camera thing, whether he knows or not doesn't mean shit, if you don't know the law and break it you still broke it and will get punished lmao what argument is this?? Only way it's riots fault is because they didn't fix it right away but then again it falls again onto vk for doing it and idk how big or often of a factor it was but the punishment shouldnt be too big idk

It's a grey situation. Apparently, that camera can be placed without jumping. He may not have realized that it was glitched.

If it were something like going under the map and shooting enemies, it's clear that the abuser is at fault. In a situation like this, it's difficult to do the same.

Gomes255 [#10]

Talking about only the camera thing, whether he knows or not doesn't mean shit, if you don't know the law and break it you still broke it and will get punished lmao what argument is this?? Only way it's riots fault is because they didn't fix it right away but then again it falls again onto vk for doing it and idk how big or often of a factor it was but the punishment shouldnt be too big idk

with the law you are constantly being reminded about it, and when you get into more specific matters, research it. I don't think it's the player's obligation to go after authorized camera spots

hellaeleganceyeah [#13]

copium. vk played beautifully and deserved the win today, but there is no way a competitor at the biggest yet valorant tourney is let get away with using a glitch cam spot. especially when it has been punished for before.

Yeah... Riot will punish VK. Pretty sure, I can see the map being replayed or VK getting totally disqualified from the tournament, since that was the punishment before.

Easy_for_MWZERA [#17]

Yeah... Riot will punish VK. Pretty sure, I can see the map being replayed or VK getting totally disqualified from the tournament, since that was the punishment before.

they got a map loss for the next series im pretty sure, so not a complete dq.

hellaeleganceyeah [#18]

they got a map loss for the next series im pretty sure, so not a complete dq.

source?

Mca [#11]

This is not law. And If It was you should know that juspositivism is only applied in territorial sphere. Brazil was NEVER punished for a camera or even knew about It. Do you know some Law of another random country of the World besides logic? No right. How would we know that a random camera would be ilegall If Riot don't says It. If It is ilegall It should be fixed.

Players agree to follow certain set of rules and they are legally attached to follow them, It is the same as "Agree with terms and conditions".
The rule about exploits in stage 3:
"7.2.6. Exploiting. Intentionally using any in-game bug to seek an advantage is exploiting and is prohibited. Exploiting includes acts such as making use of any game function that, in the Tournament Operator’s sole judgement, is not functioning as intended and violates the design purpose of VALORANT. Team members may confidentially check with the referee at the beginning of a Competition to determine if a specific act would be considered Exploiting. Riot reserves the right to make an ex-post-facto determination of whether an exploit has occurred. "
Crearly says that the team must check with the referee if something is considered and exploit or not.
The decision of consider it an exploit or not is upon Riot as well as the punishment. But taking into account that was punished before there is no reason to not pushing right now.
I agree with you that the camera should have been fixed by now.

You my friend are an objective thinker. Very few of them on this site. Nice post.

I feel like this is something that should be handled when it was happening, not after the series has already finished. Its the same thing if a soccer referee doesnt acknowledge a goal and after the match ends he changes his mind. Both teams at field played the game considering that it was tie adopting strategies acording this context. If theres someone to blame is Riot referee whose jobs were guarantee competitive integrity, but failed to do so.

Easy_for_MWZERA [#19]

source?

is what happened to x10 I think.

Viktor22 [#22]

I feel like this is something that should be handled when it was happening, not after the series has already finished. Its the same thing if a soccer referee doesnt acknowledge a goal and after the match ends he changes his mind. Both teams at field played the game considering that it was tie adopting strategies acording this context. If theres someone to blame is Riot referee whose jobs were guarantee competitive integrity, but failed to do so.

well in football, you get the lost handed to you afterwards if you play players that are not registered. happened to Real madrid before pretty sure