VCT CHAMP POINTS RIOT

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Shadow_Monarch

MIBR, TH, and DRX made it to VCT CHAMPIONS 2025 through "points" although they SUCKED during Playoffs.
Mind you, MIBR didn't even make the PLAYOFFS in Group Stage 2.

Are these teams really worthy of going to VCT Champions, the biggest Valorant event of the year?

If these 3 teams Suck Ass at Champs, is it more fair to say that C9 - NaVi/GIANTX/BBL - Talon are more fully deserving to go to Champs instead?

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lost me at "C9", I'd let 2G go over them

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Shadow_Monarch

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C9 beat the teams that MIBR lost to in Playoffs.

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hang the banner

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uh c9 have never beat mibr once this year

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ButterflyEffect23

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woah fax don't matter on vlr we just yap whatever fits the narrative

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ergonomiccs

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damn thats true mb

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Jayde

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Idk what matches youve been watching but c9 have lost to mibr both times they played this year

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Galactc

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No teams should try not peaking at playoffs and instead being good all year because that's literally the whole point of the points and even if mibr only got there because of different rules in americas they've been there from the start it's not like they got special treatment

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Maybe your fave team shouldn’t have choked the remaining 80% of the year bro

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Shadow_Monarch

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At Champions you want the best team for the best competition. If MIBR for example, did well earlier in the year and suck ass now, whats the point of them sucking ass at Champions? Waste of team slot. VCT Champions should be the highest level of competition worldwide of the BEST Valorant teams.

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luminescience

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By your logic FNC shouldn’t be in Champs because they bombed out of Stage 2 playoffs
Develop your frontal lobe man

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Gottem

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dumb ahh

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GastV

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DRX was the strongest team during group stage 2, wth was blud talking about. In fact they earn the spot because of their group performance. They're not the same as MiBR

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Shadow_Monarch

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Are you clueless? DRX lost to both Talon and RRQ. Talon and RRQ are more worthy of going to Champs over DRX. Right now.

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GastV

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You were talking about group stage, and just now you edited the playoffs part. They won against RRQ ~~and geng~~ and that's how they qualified by points. Talon only good recently in playoffs. They were shaky this whole year, losing to DFM in groups

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bro what is this bait or just L ball knowledge, Drx lost against GenG

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GastV

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wait my bad, so how are they qualified instead of GenG?

Edit: apparently they lost against GenG but higher by standings, so they qualified

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Jayde

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Champs points

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mondely

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cuz drx placed higher in playoffs while having same points as geng

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Shadow_Monarch

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Talon will show a better performance at Champions over DRX, currently. Why would all the metas in the past matter for the meta occurring at Champions in Paris 2025? Wouldn't you want the best team performing at VCT Champions? Playoffs proves whos more worthy over group stages.

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Form is temporary. That's why we have the system in place. Champs will feature a new patch, teams will bootcamp for a week as well. DRX and RRQ 2-0ed each other within the span of 2 weeks.

It is what it is. Disappointing for Talon, but it's part of the story.

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Ductorian

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then where is FNC in this conversation?

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VailLegolas

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Talon better team than them tbh

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GastV

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true but they got rewarded because they performed better the whole season

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the answer to all of your questions and frustrations is "tejo"

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“sucked during group stage 2” mind you, th went 5-0 and drx went 4-1. while it may be disappointing that teams in good form rn didn’t make it, abolishing champs points would make the beginning half of the year worthless imo. you should have a consistent performance throughout the ENTIRE year, not just peak at the end right before champs.

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TH sucked during Group Stage 2? They went 5-0, buddy. What are you on about?
Also, why isn't anyone incorporating FNC into this conversation? I am so curious.

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Shadow_Monarch

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They did so well in group stage and then failed during Playoffs, why? Because other teams improved and got better in the meta, better than TH DRX FNC. If the meta is same at Champions, then its more fair to say the best fit teams in the current meta should be there. But in general, PLAYOFFS shows who the better teams are, not group stages.

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TH and DRX at least qualified for the playoffs, but MIBR played terrible and still qualified don't know what riot was thinking about champs points and even americas as region was bad this year!!
They really need to think about it next year

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I've heard sliggy say chanps points could be used for LCQ seeding instead of auto qualification

I'd say that's an interesting idea as well

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GastV

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isn't stage 2 basically an LCQ for the 2 top teams? they got instantly qualified without points count

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See the thing is...champs points system is a reward for being better than other teams throughout the year...Teams like Talon,C9,NaVi/GX were not those teams...they had to win in previous stages of if u r THAT good u gotta get top 2 mate...so for example heretics...yes they were shit in Toronto but they shat on teams in groups going 5-0 TWICE....that's 10 points...so they 100% deserved it...given current form did other teams deserve it? Yes for sure but throughout the year the teams that went through by champs points especially the main 3 DRX,TH and Mibr performing well enough IMO definitely deserved it.

This also goes to show how each game mattered...a couple points here and there for some teams would have put them in champs easily

Or how u could do it is as sliggy said bring back LCQ nd use champs points system there...I think that's a better idea

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Shadow_Monarch

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Hence the Champ points system should change.

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Asp3ct_Vlr

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It could be better yes...

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MIBR deserves their spot more than G2 and I will die on that hill.

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??? elaborate because this is just an obvious rage bait

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If the international events were standalone events, I agree. Otherwise, champs points is better.

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This is probably the one minor issue I agree. Talon had no hope even being a high mid-table team because both T1 and PRX have already farmed so many points from Masters and practically leaving everyone in the dust.

On top of that, TLN only were able to farm 1 point off Kickoff and an additional 3 from Stage 1 because they fell out of Playoffs early.

As brutal as it is (probably could need some reworking), Talon couldn't maintain form. That's that.

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All this yapping doesnt matter when china gonna win champs anyway cuh

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MamenTricas

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The biggest fact ever, BLG is literally farming all champs teams

#41

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You’re getting ripped apart for some small things, but your overall point stands.

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Shadow_Monarch

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Yeah I don't care honestly, its just for Riot Val staffs to just read and see the post and think for better solutions.

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Dybala21

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The system already rewarded stage 2 placement with 2 slots, why are we adding 2 more? Idiot, no wonder FNC played trash this stage when you're supporting them smh

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Vyde

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ok so why were you quiet when the system's announced

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jongseo

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I think the system is alright. But the way that we probably mad about it cuz these teams are playing so ass on stage 2, Especially mf mibr. TH is fine for me. DRX kinda... I mean..... this is rising up now for TLN. But it just a lot of hard work. DRX just done it better whole year.

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sen did awful last year and qualified by champs points and placed top 4, do you think if another americas team qualified over them they would've done better? consistent performance across the year deserves to be rewarded and it increases the likelihood of the team performing well

besides the map pool is changing so we don't know how each team will look after, meaning teams that have proves themselves all year deserve it more. the only team I'd say doesn't deserve it is MIBR because they did absolutely horrible and didn't even make playoffs

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Just back in vlr and this is rivals already