When avova and molsi play pretty good against TH despite being on support and flor doing pretty horrible
flor fans: 😶(only talk to defend flor's performance and not even saying anything good about the other two's performance)
When flor performs a life match against a mid ass team that hasn't won in over 9 months (she farmed off ange1 lol and btw molsi and batujnax still did good)
flor fans: FLOR HAS NO TEAM WHEN WILL APEKS GET GOOD PLAYERS
double standards man
That's not my point lmao, I'm saying that when her team actually does good and she doesn't there's no talk about her having no teammates? but whenever she does good she's apparently the best in the world with no teammates after farming ange1.
Idk where you got kickoff from not even talking about that
her team did not do good vs TH, avova popped off and everyone still played bad or worse than her over the series if you look at ACS
also molsi and batujnax did not do good today, if we don't include map 1:
map 2+3
florescent 1.55 303acs 48-28-11 +20
molsi 0.84 172acs 24-34-23 -10
avova 0.73 162acs 22-34-12 -12
batujnax 0.68 150acs 22-33-8 -11
governor 0.62 116acs 17-31-8 -14
she was the only one doing anything. I legitimately think if I added up her teammates through kickoff and this season she'd be like +100 and they'd be on average -80
I'm talking about kickoff because she played great there and her teammates shat the bed as well. it's not just the last 2 series this has been happening. there are no double standards, it was one series this happened and otherwise including kickoff she's been the only one doing anything.
If you're only going to be looking at kills then you're just another brainless flor fan lmao.
Molsi is the IGL and yet he's still at the top of leaderboard WITH an amazing amount of assists mind you, without those assists then flor wouldn't be getting half the kills they would have gotten in both games.
Looking at the TH game molsi and avova got a total of 57 assists and yet they are still the highest performing players on the leaderboard as well.
Looking even deeper into the navi game you can see on first map where batujnax is 4-0 on first bloods as a lurk which means he is literally opening the game for apeks and giving them the first pick to go wherever they want (which usually led them to winning the round). Flor performed well the second half and the others average but only so much you can do on a support without a sentinel. Alongside that molsi is once again 2nd on the leaderboard despite once again being the IGL and a support player too with 30 assists which is usually eaten up by flor anyways.
Now I don't disagree with you that governor is just shit
flor 1.12 249acs 211-180-38 +31
avova 0.98 184acs 145-165-86 -20
molsi 0.91 171acs 138-172-81 -34
oderus 0.90 185acs 31-34-13 -3
hype 0.82 171acs 66-84-18 -18
batujnax 0.81 171acs 115-142-44 -27
governor 0.70 150acs 65-92-23 -27
over kickoff+regular season
I'm not looking at kills I'm looking at all stats and I've looked at the game. I've watched every match they've played.
molsi and avova are great assistive players and I have never said otherwise but that only goes so far when they have to start actually fragging and winning a game. molsi and avova were great in the TH game but that is a singular series out of four. I agree she underperformed that series but the other three she has played the other players did not step up to that level at all. I watched the entire Na'Vi game and batujnax was great on map one which all of them played well on and stomped on. Teams run no senti comps on lotus regularly so "only so much you can do!" is not an excuse. molsi is a great IGL and the only other player I am impressed with on the team, but I will state again that it only goes so far when they have to start actually fragging and winning a game. I wouldn't place blame on molsi at all, but the other 3 players on the team have consistently been bad besides one avova popoff game. Yes, he has a lot of assists and is a good util player but considering the level of controllers we have in all regions who have great util AND can frag considering Omen does let you get away with a lot of plays, it's not an excuse for him to play mid to bad the other 3 series. Besides that she has been stuck with governor, hype, batujnax and oderus for a game. None of those players have fragged at all with oderus doing better than 3 of them. Their coach. Even then their COACH ODERUS had a better game on Haven and a game around molsi and hype on Pearl. A coach.
Yeah sure we can talk about the TH game all we want but at the end of the day I am not expecting anyone to give praise to any of these players when we look at the whole season literally none of them have stepped up to the plate in harder maps besides flor.
I brought up kickoff initially because your point is dumb. There is nothing to praise besides a singular match. The damage was already done after kickoff and they still lost that TH series. By the way yeah I'm looking at ACS and kills in that TH series because that is her job and the rating system is notoriously biased towards K/D farmers. ACS is reflective of first kills and doing damage which is important for someone in her role. I am just stating that she still did her job besides on Icebox even if the rating does not reflect it.
I would argue its the opposite in a way too. So many people were calling her mid because she failed in one singular game throughout the year that too against TH. The reason fewer people are hyping up the other teammates is because they have remained inconsistent so far, but the entire team looks good in stage 1. They ain't making it out of playoffs, but they need time and they could be huge threats in Stage 2
Lowk the majority of people who are hating on vlr about flor is all caused by the flor fans themselves. Sure if you want to support flor I don't care if you do and I encourage you to do so if you like them, but if you're going to go out of your way and say "oh flor is going to shit on teams if they get onto a tier 1 team" or "flor is better than x player" then no shit people are going to hate them more. I remember back in 2023/2024 where flor fans were just blowing them out of proportional in terms of hype, ofc if they don't do good/don't win now then people are going to hate.
Alongside the kpopification of vlr where anything that isn't talking good about flor is immediately seen as "hate" to flor, I know there are some degens on this website that hate flor just because of who they are but flor fans caused most of this shit. Don't complain about what is happening now when flor fans were the people who hyped them up out of proportion and hating on other people's favorite players/teams just because they were "supporting" flor.
What the heck do you consider a "support player?" You mean to say you can't get a good k/d ratio if you play initiator or controller?
It's not just that avova or molsi aren't getting frags, its that they are dying a lot too.
If a duelist goes for first kills they also make themselves vulnerable to first deaths, so you don't automatically get more kills than deaths as a duelist.
And if you aren't talking about stats, then being a support player shouldn't even be part of the conversation.
the "horrible" game in question:
https://imgur.com/a/crzLT76
vs the no help Lebron perfomances she is putting up:
https://imgur.com/a/j5AFk1E
https://imgur.com/a/Y3px752
https://imgur.com/a/GydQFzm
this ^^^^ is absurd. Any player putting up these numbers next to their team would be getting the same response from the community
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