They have/had some of the greatest talents ever and still managed to waste them in an insane fashion. No american org has ever done as bad as them
Apaqt [#3]Vitality exists
one bad decision doesnt mean that they are the worst
c9 made way more questionable decisions
Yistyy [#2]Yeah they pretty much gifted sentinels a free trophy. and sentinels were already the best team in NA at the time. not to mention letting leaf walk as well. almost forgot about yay too, and that was right after the 2022 season, when his performance hadn't dipped yet.
not only that but if you also add the fact that they wasted the best upcoming CS talent in NA at the time (Tenz), it really becomes disgusting
MrBlooBloom [#6]not only that but if you also add the fact that they wasted the best upcoming CS talent in NA at the time (Tenz), it really becomes disgusting
i mentioned that in the beginning but yeah. it would be like lebron going to the prime warriors, best player itw going to the best team at the time.
Yistyy [#7]i mentioned that in the beginning but yeah. it would be like lebron going to the prime warriors, best player itw going to the best team at the time.
no but it was even before that. Tenz was like the best player in NA CS T2 as an awper, C9 promoted him to T1 but made him their lurker. Man became horribly bad all of a sudden 💀
MrBlooBloom [#5]I'm not only talking about valorant tho
astralis takes the cake easily
have the most dominant team ever -> dismantle it cuz you hate the players -> make them shorten their pay check due to covid -> sign like 4 substitutes -> waste all careers at the same time -> device gets mad and leaves -> team goes to shit -> dupreeh and magisk and zonic leave for pennies (become major winners btw) -> sign baitF and k0nfig (ufc fighter) and mid awpers -> fail RMRS
H3ENnZ [#4]one bad decision doesnt mean that they are the worst
c9 made way more questionable decisions
even tho its bad, there can be rational reasons behind the vit change. for c9 however, not even god can forgive their decisions
Nef0r0 [#9]astralis takes the cake easily
have the most dominant team ever -> dismantle it cuz you hate the players -> make them shorten their pay check due to covid -> sign like 4 substitutes -> waste all careers at the same time -> device gets mad and leaves -> team goes to shit -> dupreeh and magisk and zonic leave for pennies (become major winners btw) -> sign baitF and k0nfig (ufc fighter) and mid awpers -> fail RMRS
you can't be the worst org ever when you have been the most dominant CS team in history tho, they didn't waste their talents. They became horribly ass later though
MrBlooBloom [#11]you can't be the worst org ever when you have been the most dominant CS team in history tho, they didn't waste their talents. They became horribly ass later though
their decisions wasted them. They knew that device had an illness which gets progressively worse with intense travel, and they forced them to endure stints like New York - Malmo - Copenhagen - Beijing - London - Copenhagen - bahrain
Nef0r0 [#12]their decisions wasted them. They knew that device had an illness which gets progressively worse with intense travel, and they forced them to endure stints like New York - Malmo - Copenhagen - Beijing - London - Copenhagen - bahrain
their definitely hot ass, especially nowadays but still
Yistyy [#2]Yeah they pretty much gifted sentinels a free trophy. and sentinels were already the best team in NA at the time. not to mention letting leaf walk as well. almost forgot about yay too, and that was right after the 2022 season, when his performance hadn't dipped yet.
Tenz, leaf, xeppa, vanity and xeta in 2021 would have been insane.
MrBlooBloom [#8]no but it was even before that. Tenz was like the best player in NA CS T2 as an awper, C9 promoted him to T1 but made him their lurker. Man became horribly bad all of a sudden 💀
oh damn, I didn't know that
MrBlooBloom [#14]their definitely hot ass, especially nowadays but still
idk if you have been watching but they have been pretty impressive the last few games
Cryptic88 [#19]idk if you have been watching but they have been pretty impressive the last few games
no I have to admit that I'm not very up to date when it comes to CS, but I know that last year was absolutely awful for them
MrBlooBloom [#20]no I have to admit that I'm not very up to date when it comes to CS, but I know that last year was absolutely awful for them
they were definitely dogshit last year esp since they were changing rosters every 2 months and getting devve to igl(no disrespect to him as a player but hes good at awping, not igling).
Aquemini [#15]Tenz, leaf, xeppa, vanity and xeta in 2021 would have been insane.
yep, and c9 made it to champions that year without tenz. imagine if they had him, we could be having completely different legacy conversations today.