EWC partnership

So EWC recently released a list of partnered orgs (here is a link from Fnatic's twitter showing all the teams partnered with the organisation) and people are freaking out over it, which I get. You don't want your org to support something that seems morally wrong to you. It's a very human thing to think of. But let's be real here for a second. Your favourite orgs are not "The Good ones". They are business owners. Your favourite org is just a team to you, it's their whole life, the way they make money, their passion.
"But Denji, are you normalising what Saudi do? You piece of shit!!!"
I am not. And I don't want to talk about it since I don't have the qualifications or ample research to speak on such things and I don't want to spread misinformation. I am just trying to speak from their pov. It's easy to dog on someone for going against your ideals but it's really important you step in their shoes.

Most esports orgs make thousands of dollars losses each year. This tournament prize money is huge (500k for winners in LoL last year) and playing and winning this tournament can be a huge shift in their yearly turnover. In an industry where you barely see any profit whole year, I don't expect anyone to stop or not participate in it because of morals.

At the end of the day, it's Morals vs Money, Morals vs Survival and morals don't pay the salary of your players. Ideally wouldn't have to choose between these but here we are. This isn't an ideal world.

Football is owned by oligarchs, f1 is owned by oil companies and huge car brands, boxing is owned by scummy promotions, esports is owned by sheikhs. Simple as.

My fellow friend I was not familiar with your game

I feel like those who talk about EWC like it’s is morally wrong and that stuffs are quite privileged to talk about that but in reality end of the day it’s a business greed will be there to make profits no one can stop them the only thing you can do is protest other than that nothing else

SleepingSnorlax [#4]

I feel like those who talk about EWC like it’s is morally wrong and that stuffs are quite privileged to talk about that but in reality end of the day it’s a business greed will be there to make profits no one can stop them the only thing you can do is protest other than that nothing else

I mean you can always not watch it even though I know it's a stupid solution
Think of it like this
You own a bakery
You are in big loss every year when a notorious mafia comes in and decides to fund you with money in return for making bread for him which he will give for free to the poor as a pr move to cure his reputation
Will you really say no to the money

yeah it is business at the end of the day, you can't do anything about it, all we can do is be morally correct ourselves

We're thrilled to announce

cohnr [#7]

We're thrilled to announce

What do you want them to say lmao
"You know we need the money. We are disheartened to announce that we will be taking part in EWC" 💀

cohnr [#7]

We're thrilled to announce

Cuz being a ewc partner obliges you to advertize this event as much as you can? want to see if it's real? See how many esports world cup tweets pop up during the ewc season beginning, talking about how great riyadh is :)

Denjisideals [#8]

What do you want them to say lmao
"You know we need the money. We are disheartened to announce that we will be taking part in EWC" 💀

they're announcing something very, very few fans are happy about, why should they add "We're thrilled to announce" rather than just "we're a @EWC_EN Foundation Club Partner once again in 2025"

I really dont care. between the saudis and the media owned monoply that #them have is the same shit honestly

Nef0r0 [#9]

Cuz being a ewc partner obliges you to advertize this event as much as you can? want to see if it's real? See how many esports world cup tweets pop up during the ewc season beginning, talking about how great riyadh is :)

yeah that is very true, same with the football clubs there

so... does EWC need like 50 years of positive transformation to get people see them in different way? Or does anything they do is just seen negative and kept remain frowned upon?

cohnr [#10]

they're announcing something very, very few fans are happy about, why should they add "We're thrilled to announce" rather than just "we're a @EWC_EN Foundation Club Partner once again in 2025"

It's formalities. When you are partners with a certain org, you have to say these things even if it is purely for the show.

Denjisideals [#14]

It's formalities. When you are partners with a certain org, you have to say these things even if it is purely for the show.

yeah I get that and I can understand the money is absurd and hard to turn down, just don't like the way it is worded

if people investigate about anything they consume or do and what's the impact, they will be surprised A LOT about morals.

Aquemini [#11]

I really dont care. between the saudis and the media owned monoply that #them have is the same shit honestly

unrelated but i got to know that the mongolz have a val team from your flair lol

needAwin [#17]

unrelated but i got to know that the mongolz have a val team from your flair lol

They did some fumbles last year, like not signing up to a tournament on time or something like that, and they had a pretty good team

Aquemini [#11]

I really dont care. between the saudis and the media owned monoply that #them have is the same shit honestly

Yeah
As if the western media dunking on saudi EWC are totally the good guys

Nef0r0 [#2]

Football is owned by oligarchs, f1 is owned by oil companies and huge car brands, boxing is owned by scummy promotions, esports is owned by sheikhs. Simple as.

money makes the world go round

Warlordwibz [#13]

so... does EWC need like 50 years of positive transformation to get people see them in different way? Or does anything they do is just seen negative and kept remain frowned upon?

got removed but you know full well what the actual answer is

_Nonsense [#19]

Yeah
As if the western media dunking on saudi EWC are totally the good guys

Henry Kissinger and the #them group were direct responsables for killings on multiple latin americans countries but im supposed to hate saudis smh.

Effluxi [#21]

got removed but you know full well what the actual answer is

people won't be around/care when positive changes are made. Only stick around to hate.

needAwin [#17]

unrelated but i got to know that the mongolz have a val team from your flair lol

They fucking cucked my boy conszz so im a hater now but i havent changed my flair yet cuz senzu is my goat

Warlordwibz [#23]

people won't be around/care when positive changes are made. Only stick around to hate.

there won't be change unless a more moral but equally rich sponsor replaces them. That or a regime change but that's not happening.

In the end only money matters bro

But that argument is exactly why we need to be complaining.
We have one of the few industries which has to directly engage with us. They dont produce any good except for our engagement. Without fans there is no product.

It is our responsibility to add a cost to these kinds of decisions. We do it all the time, whether people notice or not. And no, it wont matter. Good public perception just doesnt translate into money anywhere near well enough to offset the insane money they get for the EWC. We can at least pretend esports is still about passion, rather than mindless investment, though.

The opposite approach is to not care about the orgs at all. Thats fine too. The majority of fans dont.
I belief its a bad approach to completely remove yourself from talking about issues, just blaming the world for being evil, however it is how you have to live the majority of your life anyways.

Wasn't ECW some WWE shit?

targuin [#27]

But that argument is exactly why we need to be complaining.
We have one of the few industries which has to directly engage with us. They dont produce any good except for our engagement. Without fans there is no product.

It is our responsibility to add a cost to these kinds of decisions. We do it all the time, whether people notice or not. And no, it wont matter. Good public perception just doesnt translate into money anywhere near well enough to offset the insane money they get for the EWC. We can at least pretend esports is still about passion, rather than mindless investment, though.

The opposite approach is to not care about the orgs at all. Thats fine too. The majority of fans dont.
I belief its a bad approach to completely remove yourself from talking about issues, just blaming the world for being evil, however it is how you have to live the majority of your life anyways.

I think it is completely okay to be against it. I don't think I am for it either. But just dogging on the orgs and saying, "x org is bad for joining EWC" is just a bit weird. Also I heard people talk about how the orgs are alive and hence they shouldn't join EWC. There is a huge difference between being alive and being sustainable. And the difference exactly the amount that EWC pushes into the orgs. Who exactly wants to reject 500k for playing 5-6 games?
Even if you lose first round that's still 50k.
I think some people are so deep into the "big company=money=bad" that they have stopped looking for reasons as to why the orgs are risking their fans to join in the first place.

FiredSkull [#3]

My fellow friend I was not familiar with your game

I just like yapping 🗣️🔥

lejargon [#28]

Wasn't ECW some WWE shit?

That is ECW lmao
This is EWC