Aspas vs Derke breakdown

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pugz

Aspas: 3 full years in Tier 1 (2022, 2023, 2024, ongoing 2025)
Derke: 4 full years in Tier 1 (2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, ongoing 2025)

Trophies/Achievements:

Aspas:
Champions 2022, Americas League 2023, Americas League 2024, 2x Americas MVP(Champions MVP was Pancada)

Derke:
Lock//In 2023, Masters Tokyo 2023, 2024 EMEA League, did not won MVP(2023 EMEA MVP was Alfajer and 2024 EMEA MVP was Wo0t, Tokyo MVP was Alfajer and Lock//In was Leo)

Aspas international finals appearances: 2022 Iceland, 2022 Champions, 2023 Lock//In
Derke international finals appearances: 2021 Iceland, 2023 Lock//In, 2023 Tokyo

Event appearances and placements:

Aspas: 8 events (2nd, Groups, 1st, 2nd, Playoffs first round, 3rd, Playoffs second round, 3rd)
Champions placements: 1st, 3rd, 3rd(2022 - 2023 - 2024)

Derke: 10 events (2nd, 8th, 4th, 6th, 1st, 1st, 4th, 8th, 6th, ongoing)
Champions placements: 8th, 6th, 4th, 6th (2021 - 2022 - 2023 - 2024)

STATS:

Aspas Iceland 2022: 4th best player
Aspas Copenhagen: out of the top 20
Aspas Champions 2022: out of the top 20
Aspas Lock//In: out of the top 20
Aspas Tokyo: Top 10
Aspas Champions 2023: Top 8
Aspas Shanghai 2024: Top 6
Aspas Champions 2024: Top 10

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Derke Iceland 2021: Top 15
Derke Champions 2021: TOP 1 (best rated player)
Derke Copenhagen 2022: Out of the top 20
Derke Champions 2022: TOP 4 (4th best rated player)
Derke Lock/In: Out of the top 25
Derke Tokyo 2023: Top 15
Derke Champions 2023: Out of the top 25
Derke Shanghai 2024: TOP 1 (best rated player)
Derke Champions 2024: TOP 2(second best rated player)
Derke Bangkok 2025: ?

STATS ON ALL VCT RIOT EVENTS COMBINED PER YEAR:

2021:
Aspas: Did not play this year
Derke: TOP 50

2022:
Aspas: TOP 20
Derke: TOP 40

2023:
Aspas: TOP 10
Derke: TOP 25

2024:
Aspas: TOP 1
Derke: TOP 30

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H2H:

3 MATCHES

Loud 2 x 3 FNATIC Lock//IN Final

Aspas K/D: +5 (entire match)
Derke K/D: + 3 (entire match)

H2H: Aspas x Derke: Aspas 19 kills, Derke 18 kills (aspas wins)
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Loud 2 x 0 FNATIC Champions 2023

Aspas K/D: +13 (entire match)
Derke K/D: 0 (same kills as deaths) (entire match)

H2H: Aspas x Derke: Aspas 6 kills, Derke 2 kills (aspas wins)

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Loud 2 x 1 FNATIC Champions 2023

Aspas K/D: +20 (entire match)
Derke K/D: 0(same kills as deaths) (entire match)

H2H: Aspas x Derke: Aspas 16 kills, Derke 8 kills (aspas wins)

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Icy clears both

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how is this a debate. u can say derke has more achievements but does anyone actually think that if u put aspas on that fnc 23 team (and obv make sure he can communicate good with his team) they accomplish less? like u actually have to be mentally ill to think that lmao

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thenutoriousPRO [#3]

how is this a debate. u can say derke has more achievements but does anyone actually think that if u put aspas on that fnc 23 team (and obv make sure he can communicate good with his team) they accomplish less? like u actually have to be mentally ill to think that lmao

Yes they 100% do. Aspas doesn’t make space for shit. FNATIC need a fucking real duelist you retard. Aspas is just an aimer

Derke was a top 10 player every year. I’m not listening to dum fucks that started watching/using their eyes in 2024

https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/

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sentinelmain377 [#18]

Yes they 100% do. Aspas doesn’t make space for shit. FNATIC need a fucking real duelist you retard. Aspas is just an aimer

Derke was a top 10 player every year. I’m not listening to dum fucks that started watching/using their eyes in 2024

https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/

Your list is one of the worst I've ever seen. The pro-Derke bias is insane.

Just so we have something to debate, how is Kingg ranked much lower than Derke in 2024 when he had better results and more relevant stats?

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alienista1 [#32]

Your list is one of the worst I've ever seen. The pro-Derke bias is insane.

Just so we have something to debate, how is Kingg ranked much lower than Derke in 2024 when he had better results and more relevant stats?

bro. You are an idiot. It isnt Derke biased, your ass just wasnt watching back then. Btw I have clowned on Derke many times (I clowned on his 2024 Yoru gameplay🤮).

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sentinelmain377 [#35]

bro. You are an idiot. It isnt Derke biased, your ass just wasnt watching back then. Btw I have clowned on Derke many times (I clowned on his 2024 Yoru gameplay🤮).

Is that your argument?

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alienista1 [#38]

Is that your argument?

what is urs? "Kinggg had better stats than Derke"?? WHEN???? bro is just spreading random misinformation propaganda

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2097/valorant-champions-2024
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1999/champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai

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sentinelmain377 [#40]

what is urs? "Kinggg had better stats than Derke"?? WHEN???? bro is just spreading random misinformation propaganda

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2097/valorant-champions-2024
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1999/champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai

Ok, Derke had better stats internationally, which is a valid argument.

However, Kingg had much better performances regionally and achieved better results internationally, all while being a Flex/IGL. The gap between them in your ranking doesn’t make sense.

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alienista1 [#44]

Ok, Derke had better stats internationally, which is a valid argument.

However, Kingg had much better performances regionally and achieved better results internationally, all while being a Flex/IGL. The gap between them in your ranking doesn’t make sense.

why does regionally matter lmao???? I personally dont consider regional results/trophies/anythign regional important. Only international trophies/appearances/sometimes stats (I dont like to have to bring up player stats to win an argument though)

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sentinelmain377 [#45]

why does regionally matter lmao???? I personally dont consider regional results/trophies/anythign regional important. Only international trophies/appearances/sometimes stats (I dont like to have to bring up player stats to win an argument though)

Following your logic (which I disagree with), it would be valid for Kingg to be below Derke, but it still doesn’t make sense for him to be 13 spots lower.

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sentinelmain377 [#18]

Yes they 100% do. Aspas doesn’t make space for shit. FNATIC need a fucking real duelist you retard. Aspas is just an aimer

Derke was a top 10 player every year. I’m not listening to dum fucks that started watching/using their eyes in 2024

https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/

Linking your own post from 7 months ago as if it's evidence is pretty funny

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Conceit [#37]

Linking your own post from 7 months ago as if it's evidence is pretty funny

it isnt funny dumass. You are just biased. That is all. My list is completely rid of biases.

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sentinelmain377 [#39]

it isnt funny dumass. You are just biased. That is all. My list is completely rid of biases.

I mean who are you trying to fool by saying this. We've interacted enough with each other that we both know you're biased, pretending otherwise to me is just silly, but if you're performing for others who might read this then fair enough.
Also you're right, it's not funny, it's hilarious. I apologize for understating how much enjoyment I got out of seeing it and then seeing you doubling down

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Conceit [#41]

I mean who are you trying to fool by saying this. We've interacted enough with each other that we both know you're biased, pretending otherwise to me is just silly, but if you're performing for others who might read this then fair enough.
Also you're right, it's not funny, it's hilarious. I apologize for understating how much enjoyment I got out of seeing it and then seeing you doubling down

I am biased when its game time. But saying that Derke has NOT been a top 10 player in every year is actually delusional asfuck.

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sentinelmain377 [#43]

I am biased when its game time. But saying that Derke has NOT been a top 10 player in every year is actually delusional asfuck.

Yeah and I think that statement's fair. The only thing I said was that I found you linking your own unevidenced post as if it is evidence is funny

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thenutoriousPRO [#3]

how is this a debate. u can say derke has more achievements but does anyone actually think that if u put aspas on that fnc 23 team (and obv make sure he can communicate good with his team) they accomplish less? like u actually have to be mentally ill to think that lmao

Put Derke on 22 loud they def win champs still

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kfan4238173 [#27]

Put Derke on 22 loud they def win champs still

r u fucking for real? aspas at champs 2022 was unreal

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thenutoriousPRO [#30]

r u fucking for real? aspas at champs 2022 was unreal

He wasn’t like insane but yeah he was good

I’m just saying something similar to you, that if you swapped them the results wouldn’t change much

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this was a cool head to head in 2022/23. aspas has been ahead forever now

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ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#4]

this was a cool head to head in 2022/23. aspas has been ahead forever now

Is this guy retarded?

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saying derke has never been top 10 is actually blasphemy

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elysxxm [#5]

saying derke has never been top 10 is actually blasphemy

maybe in 2021 but since then no

2022:
yay, ardiis, mako, pancada, aspas, shao, suygetsu, mako, marved, jinggg

2023:
demon1, chronicle, leo, alfa, less, kangkang, aspas, ethan, boostio, jinggg

2024:
zekken, t3xture, kangkang, aspas, riens, benjyfishy, karon, meteor, chronicle, wo0t

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thenutoriousPRO [#7]

maybe in 2021 but since then no

2022:
yay, ardiis, mako, pancada, aspas, shao, suygetsu, mako, marved, jinggg

2023:
demon1, chronicle, leo, alfa, less, kangkang, aspas, ethan, boostio, jinggg

2024:
zekken, t3xture, kangkang, aspas, riens, benjyfishy, karon, meteor, chronicle, wo0t

BOOSTIO??????????

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elysxxm [#10]

BOOSTIO??????????

just say u started watching valorant last year bro 2023 boostio was different

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just say u started watching valorant last year bro 2023 boostio was different

2023 boostio was not top top 10 player

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thenutoriousPRO [#7]

maybe in 2021 but since then no

2022:
yay, ardiis, mako, pancada, aspas, shao, suygetsu, mako, marved, jinggg

2023:
demon1, chronicle, leo, alfa, less, kangkang, aspas, ethan, boostio, jinggg

2024:
zekken, t3xture, kangkang, aspas, riens, benjyfishy, karon, meteor, chronicle, wo0t

derke was better than half the players you have in 2022

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uwukitten [#14]

derke was better than half the players you have in 2022

derke was nothing special in 2022

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thenutoriousPRO [#20]

derke was nothing special in 2022

This guy is fucking xenophobic or a dum fuck??? Derke was easily top 6-10 in 2022 (just look at his Chamber)

2022 was literally derke’s best year yet ur blind ass can’t see nothing

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sentinelmain377 [#25]

This guy is fucking xenophobic or a dum fuck??? Derke was easily top 6-10 in 2022 (just look at his Chamber)

2022 was literally derke’s best year yet ur blind ass can’t see nothing

dude in 2022 ppl wanted fnc to kick derke lol

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thenutoriousPRO [#7]

maybe in 2021 but since then no

2022:
yay, ardiis, mako, pancada, aspas, shao, suygetsu, mako, marved, jinggg

2023:
demon1, chronicle, leo, alfa, less, kangkang, aspas, ethan, boostio, jinggg

2024:
zekken, t3xture, kangkang, aspas, riens, benjyfishy, karon, meteor, chronicle, wo0t

wtf did jingg and kang kang do in 2023 that makes them better than derke lmao

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cheeseborger [#15]

wtf did jingg and kang kang do in 2023 that makes them better than derke lmao

did u watch masters tokyo bro

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thenutoriousPRO [#17]

did u watch masters tokyo bro

dawg edg farmed a slumping loud + navi and beat edg. they crumbled against good teams. PRX doesn't win a single trophy the whole year and you have the nerve to put jingg of all people above derke?

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thenutoriousPRO [#7]

maybe in 2021 but since then no

2022:
yay, ardiis, mako, pancada, aspas, shao, suygetsu, mako, marved, jinggg

2023:
demon1, chronicle, leo, alfa, less, kangkang, aspas, ethan, boostio, jinggg

2024:
zekken, t3xture, kangkang, aspas, riens, benjyfishy, karon, meteor, chronicle, wo0t

in 2023 he was top10 easily

leo
alfa
demon
aspas
mako
less
chronicle
derke
ethan
davai

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thenutoriousPRO [#7]

maybe in 2021 but since then no

2022:
yay, ardiis, mako, pancada, aspas, shao, suygetsu, mako, marved, jinggg

2023:
demon1, chronicle, leo, alfa, less, kangkang, aspas, ethan, boostio, jinggg

2024:
zekken, t3xture, kangkang, aspas, riens, benjyfishy, karon, meteor, chronicle, wo0t

BRO WTF BAN THIS FUCKING IDIOT DUMBFUCK. I CANt READ THIS WITHOUT LOSING MY BRAIN CELLS

HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE YOU EXIST???

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FORGOT TO MENTION BUT

by looking at those stats and the teams

Leo and Less are the real GOATS, not Derke and not aspas

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aspas played in 2021 but he was not relevant

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Steelz [#8]

aspas played in 2021 but he was not relevant

wasnt even in t3 not worth mentioning

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ionlyHave1Zuni [#9]

wasnt even in t3 not worth mentioning

but he was trying and failing, while derke was doing internationals

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Steelz [#24]

but he was trying and failing, while derke was doing internationals

aspas was scouted in ranked and was accused of cheating by sacy.

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aspas was scouted in ranked and was accused of cheating by sacy.

false, before that he already competed and tried to qualify for challengers

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Steelz [#24]

but he was trying and failing, while derke was doing internationals

no he wasnt trying lmfao there was barely a brazilian scene at the time, while EMEA was much better already

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ionlyHave1Zuni [#34]

no he wasnt trying lmfao there was barely a brazilian scene at the time, while EMEA was much better already

of course he competed, of course he tried, or will you try to hide it because he cant do it without the teachings of sacy and saadhak

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trembo type post

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honestly is all personal taste. both are goats and saying each one is better is fine. i personally like aspas more because i like his playstyle more and he pretty much carried a decent team to potential greatness (lev 24) while derke couldn't

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can't even read the stats correctly. You are using the random order for masters shanghai.

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Overlord110611 [#26]

can't even read the stats correctly. You are using the random order for masters shanghai.

fixed

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STATS

mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all

DEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rate

RANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)

can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game

I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.

heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with raze

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)****

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STATS

mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all

DEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rate

RANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)

can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game

I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.

heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with raze

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)****

chat is this real

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chat is this real

oh god theres people who dont know the copypasta

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Nice analysis man!

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TLDR: Aspas is the GOAT, Derke and Kangkang runner up.