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Microsoft creates chip it says shows quantum computers are 'years, not decades' away
Microsoft on Wednesday unveiled a new chip that it said showed quantum computing is "years, not decades" away, joining Google and IBM in predicting that a fundamental change in computing technology is approaching

Updated - February 20, 2025 08:51 am IST

Microsoft on Wednesday unveiled a new chip that it said showed quantum computing is "years, not decades" away, joining Google and IBM in predicting that a fundamental change in computing technology is much closer than recently believed.

Quantum computing holds the promise of carrying out calculations that would take today's systems millions of years and could unlock discoveries in medicine, chemistry and many other fields where near-infinite seas of possible combinations of molecules confound classical computers.

Quantum computers also hold the danger of upending today's cybersecurity systems, where most encryption relies on the assumption that it would take too long to brute force gain access.

The biggest challenge of quantum computers is that a fundamental building block called a qubit, which is similar to a bit in classical computing, is incredibly fast but also extremely difficult to control and prone to errors.

Microsoft said the Majorana 1 chip it has developed is less prone to those errors than rivals and provided as evidence a scientific paper set to be published in academic journal Nature.

When useful quantum computers will arrive has become a topic of debate in the upper echelons of the tech industry. Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang said last month that the technology was two decades away from overtaking his company's chips, the workhorses of artificial intelligence, reflecting broad skepticism.

Those remarks prompted Google, which last year showed off its own new quantum chip, to say that commercial quantum computing applications are only five years away. IBM has said large-scale quantum computers will be online by 2033.

Microsoft's Majorana 1 has been in the works for nearly two decades and relies on a subatomic particle called the Majorana fermion whose existence was first theorised in the 1930s. That particle has properties that make it less prone to the errors that plague quantum computers, but it has been hard for physicists to find and control.

The chip Microsoft revealed Wednesday has far fewer qubits than rival chips from Google and IBM, but Microsoft believes that far fewer of its Majorana-based qubits will be needed to make useful computers because the error rates are lower.

Microsoft did not give a timeline for when the chip would be scaled up to create quantum computers that can outstrip today's machines, but the company said in a blog post that point was "years, not decades" away.

Jason Zander, the Microsoft executive vice president who oversees the company's long-term strategic bets, described Majorana 1 as a "high risk, high reward" strategy.

The chip was fabricated at Microsoft labs in Washington state and Denmark.

"The hardest part has been solving the physics. There is no textbook for this, and we had to invent it," Zander said in an interview with Reuters. "We literally have invented the ability to go create this thing, atom by atom, layer by layer."

Philip Kim, a professor of physics at Harvard University who was not involved in Microsoft's research, said that Majorana fermions have been a hot topic among physicists for decades and called Microsoft's work an "exciting development" that put the company at the forefront of quantum research.

He also said that Microsoft's use of a hybrid between traditional semiconductors and exotic superconductors appeared to be a good route toward chips that can be scaled up into more powerful chips.

"Although there's no demonstration (of this scaling up) yet, what they are doing is really successful," Kim said.

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it is my dream to learn enough and get enough experience and connections to be able to work with these quantum chips firsthand when I graduate, the incomprehensible scale of computing power is just wildly interesting to me

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You an undergrad?

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yeah, im computer science and business analysis major, with some good opportunities lined up already

hoping to get a few years of experience then go to grad school for electrical engineering/quantum physics, see if any programs have concentrations in stuff like this

been following quantum computer progress for a while now genuinely nothing has interested me like this has

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r u from NA and fake flagging or really from czech? because in NA cs major is so ass right now, its the same as graduating in being homeless

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im NA, my business analysis major (im double major) has helped me a lot more to get the opportunities i have for the future, but yeah its abysmal

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wait actually even in good schools of NA?

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in top 20 schools you will be fine, but anything past that there are difficulties
without connections or insane skill you are kinda cooked
companies are using the "AI" term to outsource a lot of work too
the SWE job as we know it will go away by the end of the decade between AI and outsourcing

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try your best to get into physics related AI level coding or straight up quantum physics along side your comp sci degree even then you would be a long mile away from using it you need insane levels of research and respect as a physicist along side ALOT of connections to make it
but is more closely related to quantum physics and engineering since it is still young field coding it is A LONG time away unless it gets ai'd

so try double majoring or straight up switching into some level of engineering/physics

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yeah i know its gonna be rough, going to stick out my current majors work my ass off to get the best connections possible from the job I have lined up.

grad school (hopefully) paid for by my job in a more applicable field of study and research opportunities will hopefully put me in a better spot

definitely a long time coming but its my dream :,)

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yeah nah youre cooked buddy

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I hope the chips are heavily restricted though, encryption is at risk with this much computing power. We're safe with RSA and sha256 for now, but give it a couple more years and we'll see it being decrypted through bruteforce

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yeah thats a terrifying reality where stuff like this is used maliciously

cant imagine what it would take to make an inscription that is safe, another thing that is crazy interesting to think about

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RSA Encryption

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GG

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it's 22 bit RSA though, nowadays 2048 bits minimum is used (I use 4096 bits RSA for my SSH keys for example) but it's still dangerous af

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Good also watch Dwarksh podcast with satya nadella where he shows one of these

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why are you doing this

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The nature of reality has been a central question in philosophy, science, and even the most ancient forms of human inquiry. From the first recorded thoughts of pre-Socratic philosophers to modern quantum physics, the quest to understand the fundamental nature of existence remains unresolved. Some argue that reality is a construct of the human mind, while others insist that it exists independently of perception. In contrast, a growing number of scientists propose that reality is merely a holographic projection, an emergent phenomenon arising from deeper layers of information processing.

In quantum mechanics, the observer effect suggests that observation itself plays a crucial role in determining the state of a particle. This has led to various interpretations, such as the Copenhagen Interpretation, which states that quantum systems exist in a superposition of states until measured, and the Many-Worlds Interpretation, which proposes that all possible outcomes of a quantum event occur simultaneously in branching realities. Such ideas challenge our traditional notions of cause and effect, making us question whether the classical determinism of Newtonian physics was ever a complete description of reality.

The nature of time is another perplexing aspect of existence. In the macroscopic world, time appears linear, progressing from past to future. However, Einstein's theory of relativity suggests that time is relative, depending on the observer's velocity and gravitational field. This means that time is not an absolute constant but a variable affected by external factors. If time is malleable, does it truly exist as an independent entity, or is it simply a human-constructed framework for understanding change? Some physicists propose that time is an emergent phenomenon, arising from the way information is processed at a fundamental level, rather than a fundamental feature of reality itself.

Technology and artificial intelligence (AI) further complicate our understanding of reality. As AI becomes more advanced, the line between human and machine intelligence blurs. Consciousness, long considered the exclusive domain of biological beings, is now being scrutinized through the lens of computational neuroscience and machine learning. If a machine can think, feel, and experience the world, does it possess consciousness? If so, is consciousness merely an emergent property of sufficiently complex information processing systems, or is there something inherently non-computational about human awareness?

Philosophically, the implications of AI-generated consciousness extend beyond science and into ethics. If we create machines that can experience suffering, do they deserve moral consideration? Does their existence challenge the traditional definition of what it means to be human? Some argue that intelligence and self-awareness are the true criteria for moral worth, rather than biological origins. Others maintain that there is something uniquely valuable about human experience that cannot be replicated in artificial systems.

Another profound question concerns the nature of free will. Neuroscience has revealed that decisions are often made subconsciously before they reach conscious awareness, calling into question the traditional notion of free will. If our choices are determined by neural processes beyond our control, are we truly free? This leads to deeper existential concerns: If free will is an illusion, does moral responsibility still hold? Some argue that even if determinism governs our actions, the subjective experience of choice is what matters, while others believe that our sense of agency is an adaptive illusion necessary for social cohesion.

When discussing existence, one cannot ignore the philosophical implications of solitude and interconnectedness. Some traditions, such as Buddhism, emphasize the interconnected nature of all things, suggesting that the self is an illusion—a transient pattern within a greater whole. Western philosophy, on the other hand, has often emphasized individualism, positing that the self is an autonomous entity distinct from others. The tension between these views continues to shape debates in ethics, politics, and metaphysics.

Ultimately, reality remains an enigma, an ever-evolving puzzle that eludes complete understanding. As science advances and philosophy deepens, new layers of existence are uncovered, yet each answer only raises more questions. Perhaps the search for truth is itself the essence of the human experience—a journey rather than a destination, an endless process of discovery that defines what it means to be conscious, aware, and truly alive.

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my great buddy josh told me this too

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Microsoft’s quantum computing breakthrough questioned by experts: ‘No publicly available evidence that this test has been conducted successfully’

Microsoft has claimed a quantum computing breakthrough with its new “Majorana 1” chip. But skeptics argue key evidence is still missing.
Microsoft has claimed a major breakthrough in quantum computing with its first quantum chip. However, the announcement has been met with deep skepticism by experts.

On Wednesday, the company revealed the Majorana 1, claiming it would accelerate the timeline for quantum computers capable of solving meaningful, industrial-scale problems from decades to just years.

The company said it had created what it calls the “world’s first topoconductor,” a new type of material that can control Majorana particles to create more reliable qubits.

“After a nearly 20-year pursuit, we’ve created an entirely new state of matter, unlocked by a new class of materials, topoconductors, that enable a fundamental leap in computing,” Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said on X. “The qubits created with topoconductors are faster, more reliable, and smaller.”

Topological qubits could address one of quantum computing’s biggest challenges—high error rates.

While many researchers have focused on developing error-correction methods for quantum computing, Microsoft has taken a different approach by trying to create qubits that are inherently more robust and naturally error-resistant from the start.

However, the company’s claims have been met with scrutiny from many experts in the field.

“There is no publicly available evidence that this test has been conducted successfully”
Several experts, including leading theoretical physicist John Preskill, said the company had yet to release any performance data to back up its claim.

“In their roadmap, Microsoft described a protocol for demonstrating a topologically protected qubit. There is no publicly available evidence that this test has been conducted successfully,” he said in a post on X.

One major issue is that Microsoft has made similar claims before—only to retract them later.

In 2018, Microsoft claimed the experimental creation of Majorana zero modes—a building block of topological qubits—but later retracted that claim.

Scott Joel Aaronson, an expert on quantum computing, addressed this question in a blog post.

“Certainly that history is making some experts cautious about the new claim,” he wrote.

Aaronson added that when he asked Chetan Nayak, one of the Microsoft researchers behind the announcement, about the skepticism, Nayak reportedly responded: “Look, we now have a topological qubit that’s behaving fully as a qubit; how much more do people want?”

Others have questioned if Microsoft had actually built a topological qubit.

Jason Alicea, a professor of theoretical physics at the California Institute of Technology, told The New York Times that while a “topological qubit is possible in principle” and “a worthwhile goal” it needed to be verified.

“You have to verify, though, that a device behaves in all the magical ways that theory predicts it should; otherwise, the reality may turn out to be less rosy for quantum computing. Fortunately, Microsoft is now set up to try,” she said.

Jonathan Oppenheim, a professor of physics at University College London (UCL), also pointed to what he said were gaps between the research paper and Microsoft’s official announcement.

“There is a massive disconnect between the scientific article, and their public claims, but the most obvious one is that they haven’t shown that they have a topological qubit. The editors even took the rare step of highlighting this,” Oppenheim told Fortune.

The peer review file of the new Microsoft paper opens with an editor’s note that reads: “The editorial team wishes to point out that the results in this manuscript do not represent evidence for the presence of Majorana zero modes in the reported devices. The work is published for introducing a device architecture that might enable fusion experiments using future Majorana zero modes.”

Oppenheim noted: “The claim is that they have some architecture which maybe one day will have a topological qubit. But at the moment, they don’t have one.”

Sergey Frolov, a physics professor at the University of Pittsburgh, went even further, arguing that Microsoft’s claims rest on an unproven foundation.

“The physics has not been established by scientists and by research literature,” Sergey Frolov said. “There’s been claims made but the physics remains controversial.”

Big Tech’s quantum computing race

Quantum computing holds immense potential across various industries, including drug discovery, weather forecasting, financial risk analysis, and logistics optimization.

Big Tech rivals, including Google and IBM, are also working on quantum computing, but Microsoft’s approach has been notably different from that of its competitors.

Some experts warn that bold claims without concrete evidence could damage the industry’s credibility across the board.

“These kinds of announcements don’t help, they hurt,” Frolov said. “The quantum computing industry already comes under a lot of scrutiny periodically with questions around timelines and usefulness.”

However, the announcement has been met with some enthusiasm from other companies in the space.

“This is truly an advance for the industry: building a custom chip that uses topological qubits which many consider extremely useful for scaling to powerful quantum computers,” Markus Pflitsch, founder and CEO, of Terra Quantum, said.

“The announcement reinforces our assessment that fault-tolerant quantum hardware is closer than many business leaders think.”

“However, we agree with Microsoft that a hybrid solution of AI, HPC, and quantum will deliver commercial value before the arrival of universal, fault-tolerant quantum systems,” he added.

Representatives for Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Fortune.

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