This thread is no hate towards Global or Damwon
From what i've seen today, Damwon have made many crucial mistakes
Obviously Global esports played better
Its just that from what i've seen, there were many rounds that Damwon shouldn't have lost and they lost, and plays that they shouldve won but didnt win
If Damwon want to make it far in the LCQ, they need to step it up
Ullyr [#2]Damwon seem so lost, rounds where they had a plan it quickly crumbles when something goes wrong. Overall I feel like GE had better teamplay and trading. Damwon would sometimes just take one v one and lose it then just can't trade properly.
Yeah their post plants seem so muddled up. They seem to keep peeking when they don't need to and when they do they get picked off instantly
theres a lot that contributed to damwon’s loss
SeulgiVLR [#8]theres a lot that contributed to damwon’s loss
- ping adaptation
- internet issues
- wait between maps
- never having played an official outside korea
- ge playstyle similar to f4q but stronger
- always have a rough start in tournaments
- map pool (can only play 3/4 maps)
sad stuff for damwon, hoping for a lower bracket comeback
excuses
dwg played like shit, their decision making was awful and multiple rounds i was ???? at what their game plan was at all
i don’t care too much about the haven loss because if you lose both pistols and conversion rounds your economy is basically unsalvageable
but split and even ascent were really really questionable. the worst i’ve seen them look in a long time
overall a really unimpressive match of valorant, felt like a pug with the occasional breach astra play thrown in
ImaginePayingForSkins [#12]excuses
but theyre genuine problems with the team? ge were much more prepared today compared to damwon who did not look up to par at all
SeulgiVLR [#8]theres a lot that contributed to damwon’s loss
- ping adaptation
- internet issues
- wait between maps
- never having played an official outside korea
- ge playstyle similar to f4q but stronger
- always have a rough start in tournaments
- map pool (can only play 3/4 maps)
sad stuff for damwon, hoping for a lower bracket comeback
How is wait b/w matches beneficial to one and harmful to another team?
ImaginePayingForSkins [#12]excuses
i hope u step on legos and then wake up on the wrong side of the bed even tho ik ur a fake flagger xD
SeulgiVLR [#15]but theyre genuine problems with the team? ge were much more prepared today compared to damwon who did not look up to par at all
ignore him bud i actually believe in what u wrote their ascent was so much better than GE it showed how good of the comms they got but idk what happened in the other maps
kungfupanda [#16]How is wait b/w matches beneficial to one and harmful to another team?
i guess the momentum/energy? same reason why tech pauses killed team momentum at times at berlin
I actually think that the KR teams will be massively overrated in LCQ. Since most of them plays in a LAN environment, i think this will be a disadvantage for them. You can definitely see how they were not shooting sometime in map 1. Not undermining GE, they did really good. But damwon had a massive bruh moment the entire map 1.
BAKA2535 [#9]I feel DWG was playing very passive. Every round that they played boldly... gave them good results. either way very well played. <3
Yeah they were kind of scared by Global's early aggression like the raze satchel in mid on split, etc...
BAKA2535 [#9]I feel DWG was playing very passive. Every round that they played boldly... gave them good results. either way very well played. <3
definitely, its also why theyve been losing to f4q much more
a team as aggressive as f4q/ge will push off a passive team like damwon
Sprouts [#14]Lots of similar errors that you can watch in the DWG vs F4Q games
They play too passive and don’t properly take map control like VS, NU, TNL, and F4Q
They looked lost af on split as well
I've watched Boaster's analysis on Futbolist vs Oxygen I think. DWG had the same problem on Split where they essentially gave up B main control in the early round, and they kind of sat back with their turret instead of gaining early info, which meant they were unable to make plays and decisions off of that.
nyomski [#21]I actually think that the KR teams will be massively overrated in LCQ. Since most of them plays in a LAN environment, i think this will be a disadvantage for them. You can definitely see how they were not shooting sometime in map 1. Not undermining GE, they did really good. But damwon had a massive bruh moment the entire map 1.
definitely, you can tell this isnt the same damwon that beat nuturn in stage 3, there were many unfortunate calls that wouldnt be as prevelant in a lan environment which is what korea is used to
It felt more of a GE being better than damwon throwing in most of the rounds. GE's playing as 5 cogs of a single machine, they way they used breach was beautiful (and maybe even saved them a lot of rounds after the new aftershock changes, by killing the kj ult). The 1v3 vs hellranger on split was something they should not have lost in any situation. Another one was the frenzy clutch on Ascent vs an ares and a stinger(?).
nyomski [#21]I actually think that the KR teams will be massively overrated in LCQ. Since most of them plays in a LAN environment, i think this will be a disadvantage for them. You can definitely see how they were not shooting sometime in map 1. Not undermining GE, they did really good. But damwon had a massive bruh moment the entire map 1.
yeah maybe they aren't used to playing officials on LAN
SeulgiVLR [#8]theres a lot that contributed to damwon’s loss
- ping adaptation
- internet issues
- wait between maps
- never having played an official outside korea
- ge playstyle similar to f4q but stronger
- always have a rough start in tournaments
- map pool (can only play 3/4 maps)
sad stuff for damwon, hoping for a lower bracket comeback
I agree that there are so many problems with Damwon but the same could be said for GE as well -
ping adaptation - we know that Chennai and Korea are going to have ping issues. GE has always played tournaments on 8 ping or LAN like conditions, same for DWG.
internet issues - GE set up a new bootcamp and were getting unstable internet. Quite a lot of tech pauses were taken cause SkRossi and Hellranger were disconnecting again and again.
never having played an official outside korea - GE did not even get an opportunity to do so.
map pool (can only play 3/4 maps) - Honestly, GE has a big advantage. They play nearly all the maps in the pool but this is the fault of the team.
Hope they work on it as much as possible in the tournament and give a good fight in the lower bracket. They played well tbh.
latex [#26]It felt more of a GE being better than damwon throwing in most of the rounds. GE's playing as 5 cogs of a single machine, they way they used breach was beautiful (and maybe even saved them a lot of rounds after the new aftershock changes, by killing the kj ult). The 1v3 vs hellranger on split was something they should not have lost in any situation. Another one was the frenzy clutch on Ascent vs an ares and a stinger(?).
What really questions me is why Killjoy decided to ult on Split A site when a Breach aftershock was reachable? I don't know if it was whether Damwon didn't know it was possible or they just really gave up by then
SnooTangerines [#28]I agree that there are so many problems with Damwon but the same could be said for GE as well -
ping adaptation - we know that Chennai and Korea are going to have ping issues. GE has always played tournaments on 8 ping or LAN like conditions, same for DWG.
internet issues - GE set up a new bootcamp and were getting unstable internet. Quite a lot of tech pauses were taken cause SkRossi and Hellranger were disconnecting again and again.
never having played an official outside korea - GE did not even get an opportunity to do so.
map pool (can only play 3/4 maps) - Honestly, GE has a big advantage. They play nearly all the maps in the pool but this is the fault of the team.
Hope they work on it as much as possible in the tournament and give a good fight in the lower bracket. They played well tbh.
good argument, id change my point about playing officials though, india has had chances to compete in non indian exclusive tournaments where this is damwon’s first time going up against a non korean team in a match
not to make excuses though, ge played their hearts out today
SeulgiVLR [#8]theres a lot that contributed to damwon’s loss
- ping adaptation
- internet issues
- wait between maps
- never having played an official outside korea
- ge playstyle similar to f4q but stronger
- always have a rough start in tournaments
- map pool (can only play 3/4 maps)
sad stuff for damwon, hoping for a lower bracket comeback
The main difference I feel was the preparation. There are a lot of things I see DWG doing like not expecting a certain play or certain position which GE has done better and are better prepared to face. Also to mention, DWG didn't look that comfortable with their comp on split. Is it their permaban or something?
HardStuckGold [#30]What really questions me is why Killjoy decided to ult on Split A site when a Breach aftershock was reachable? I don't know if it was whether Damwon didn't know it was possible or they just really gave up by then
Using KJ ult to entry is practically impossible on any site because of the aftershock. The fireball will destroy a B main ult as well. Even though they didn't go against Breach, GE were using Lockdown to stall the retake instead, which I found a bit interesting.
Maybe DK thought the Breach wasn't on A, so they could get away by ulting A? I don't know really. What I do know is that the Breach aftershock changes were significantly more impactful than what it looks like, the aftershock was used to clear KJ's B main setup on Ascent as well.
4second [#32]The main difference I feel was the preparation. There are a lot of things I see DWG doing like not expecting a certain play or certain position which GE has done better and are better prepared to face. Also to mention, DWG didn't look that comfortable with their comp on split. Is it their permaban or something?
icebox is their perm ban similar to many other korean teams, theyre more comfortable on breeze than icebox
split is another good map for them but it felt like f4q playing them on split, they get scared of rossi running at them and let them take control off that
SnooTangerines [#28]I agree that there are so many problems with Damwon but the same could be said for GE as well -
ping adaptation - we know that Chennai and Korea are going to have ping issues. GE has always played tournaments on 8 ping or LAN like conditions, same for DWG.
internet issues - GE set up a new bootcamp and were getting unstable internet. Quite a lot of tech pauses were taken cause SkRossi and Hellranger were disconnecting again and again.
never having played an official outside korea - GE did not even get an opportunity to do so.
map pool (can only play 3/4 maps) - Honestly, GE has a big advantage. They play nearly all the maps in the pool but this is the fault of the team.
Hope they work on it as much as possible in the tournament and give a good fight in the lower bracket. They played well tbh.
https://valo2asia.com/global-esports-to-bootcamp-in-thailand/
Is true?
busterD [#36]https://valo2asia.com/global-esports-to-bootcamp-in-thailand/
Is true?
They were planning going to Thailand but never were able to due to Visa issues.
So they shifted from Mumbai to Chennai which is both closer to Hong Kong and Singapore relative to Mumbai.
GE still gets bad ping in Hong Kong (from professional game standards) but really good ping in singapore.
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