korea will dominate ascension until some sea team finally breaks it off and the roster nongshmin had{sid and xross}will dominate ascension this year as there will no spg to stop em so we might see 5 even 6 korean teams in the coming 2years which is insane
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6 would mean GE become KR no ?
Looking at the datas of premier stat, I wont be shocked if KR start to dominate the region, but if thats happen we will need to do something if we dont want Val to disapear from the rest of APAC, I'm considering more a region with Pacific with only KR-JP-OCE (And half of team being KR), but i'm afrain SEA-SA would be too small
Anguibok [#2]6 would mean GE become KR no ?
Looking at the datas of premier stat, I wont be shocked if KR start to dominate the region, but if thats happen we will need to do something if we dont want Val to disapear from the rest of APAC, I'm considering more a region with Pacific with only KR-JP-OCE (And half of team being KR), but i'm afrain SEA-SA would be too small
6 as in by 2026 or 2027 where these korean kids just destroy ascension and ge is kind of more fillipino then korean rn they wanted more korean players but were rejected by riot which proves riot is well aware and a region with jp oce sea sa would be good and korea as a region alone should be good except asia having too many subregions like china kr and this
h0rniepapi [#4]I'm 100% sure we'll have 5 grantee and 2 korean on every japan and SEA team
It would be funny if GE become 4 KR or something like that
Zeta won't be 2 kr. And I don't think it's guaranteed that kr will win ascension again this year. Ns was special case. Their synergy is like one of the best in vct.
Ryandr [#5]Zeta won't be 2 kr. And I don't think it's guaranteed that kr will win ascension again this year. Ns was special case. Their synergy is like one of the best in vct.
and they barely beated nongshmin old roster and xross and sid are fking insane aimers
orixxon_apac [#3]6 as in by 2026 or 2027 where these korean kids just destroy ascension and ge is kind of more fillipino then korean rn they wanted more korean players but were rejected by riot which proves riot is well aware and a region with jp oce sea sa would be good and korea as a region alone should be good except asia having too many subregions like china kr and this
They are only 3 franchised KR team and 2 ascention place, so it's 5 maximum if they are no structural changes x)
I don't like the idea of Korea all alone, it's better to have 1 big region with 2 smaller region, so this regions can improve and secure one spot in Tier 1, have more interregional games is also more hype. If you put APAC without Korea that will just make a T1 region with a lot of country that need a T1 team, but lack of good player (VN and OCE would probably take 2 of their franchised spot).
Another reason why we shouldnt have 12 KR team, is what 2 things Faria says :
- More team from a region doesnt make the pie grow, it just make the slice thinnne(Maybe a little but not a lot)
- If we would redraw franchising today, i'm not convinced we would have done 10 franchised team and 2 ascension, we could have make 8-4
So they are 2 problem :
- You cant reduce the number of Franchise in APAC because some country have only one franchise, and make this franchise disapear would just make the pie smaller since people from this region would not be represented anymore.
- Going from 3 teams to 12 KR team will not make the KR pie grow, it will make just make the slice thinner.
If we consider in 2027 we will go to 8-4 and that we need more spot for non-represented region (VN, OCE), and we need for KR because they are too dominant, then the best choice is to split "Pacific" and "Asia", because we have 10 franchise, and it's impossible to have 8 franchise, but we could reach 16 franchise to make sure everyone is represented. 4 KR team, 4 ascention team (that will probably be KR), 2 JP team, 1 OCE team and on TW or MN team could be the right call, since more representation mean the pie grow. Plus it's consistent scrimwise (JP and KR share the same scrim environnement) and OCE share the timezone (Not sharing any scrim environnement with anyone). My only concern with that system is SEA+SA would be too weak (Even if this 2 region need 6 franchised team minimum to have everyone represented T.T, letting only 2 spot for a bigger region that have no representation like RU for exemple)
gamergirl [#8]sea - 2x ascension finals, kr 1x ascension final, japan (2 russian goats) 1x ascension finals
overrating the everlasting fuck out of korean t2
Dude, in Ascension, Korea and Japan have one slot each, and SEA has five. It's nothing to brag about.
SEA is also a disconnected region, so I don't know why it's treated as one, but the SEA people themselves say it is, so I get it....
Anguibok [#7]They are only 3 franchised KR team and 2 ascention place, so it's 5 maximum if they are no structural changes x)
I don't like the idea of Korea all alone, it's better to have 1 big region with 2 smaller region, so this regions can improve and secure one spot in Tier 1, have more interregional games is also more hype. If you put APAC without Korea that will just make a T1 region with a lot of country that need a T1 team, but lack of good player (VN and OCE would probably take 2 of their franchised spot).
Another reason why we shouldnt have 12 KR team, is what 2 things Faria says :
- More team from a region doesnt make the pie grow, it just make the slice thinnne(Maybe a little but not a lot)
- If we would redraw franchising today, i'm not convinced we would have done 10 franchised team and 2 ascension, we could have make 8-4
So they are 2 problem :
- You cant reduce the number of Franchise in APAC because some country have only one franchise, and make this franchise disapear would just make the pie smaller since people from this region would not be represented anymore.
- Going from 3 teams to 12 KR team will not make the KR pie grow, it will make just make the slice thinner.
If we consider in 2027 we will go to 8-4 and that we need more spot for non-represented region (VN, OCE), and we need for KR because they are too dominant, then the best choice is to split "Pacific" and "Asia", because we have 10 franchise, and it's impossible to have 8 franchise, but we could reach 16 franchise to make sure everyone is represented. 4 KR team, 4 ascention team (that will probably be KR), 2 JP team, 1 OCE team and on TW or MN team could be the right call, since more representation mean the pie grow. Plus it's consistent scrimwise (JP and KR share the same scrim environnement) and OCE share the timezone (Not sharing any scrim environnement with anyone). My only concern with that system is SEA+SA would be too weak (Even if this 2 region need 6 franchised team minimum to have everyone represented T.T, letting only 2 spot for a bigger region that have no representation like RU for exemple)
The initial plan for the franchise was to have 4 Korean orgs (DK, DRX, Gen.G, FearX), 1 Korean team with a Japanese roster (NS), 1 Japanese org (Zeta), 2 PH teams (TS, Talon), 1 SA team (GE), and 1 OCE team.
The backlash led to a change in the slot composition, but these ratios should give you an idea of Riot's original intentions. They didn't really care about country representation.
It's no wonder they preferred the LCK orgs anyway. Even the smallest LCK teams are much bigger than Zeta/DFM, which means they are not even financially comparable to all the other regions in APAC. Riot always likes organisations like that.
Biostar [#10]The initial plan for the franchise was to have 4 Korean orgs (DK, DRX, Gen.G, FearX), 1 Korean team with a Japanese roster (NS), 1 Japanese org (Zeta), 2 PH teams (TS, Talon), 1 SA team (GE), and 1 OCE team.
The backlash led to a change in the slot composition, but these ratios should give you an idea of Riot's original intentions. They didn't really care about country representation.
It's no wonder they preferred the LCK orgs anyway. Even the smallest LCK teams are much bigger than Zeta/DFM, which means they are not even financially comparable to all the other regions in APAC. Riot always likes organisations like that.
What do you mean by "The initial plan" ? Riot original plan in 2023
Anyway doing that Thailand, Indonesia and MYSG doesnt have a spot wish is kind weird based how those 3 region where kinda good in 2022, If that's Riot I have absolutely no remember of that @.@
"Even the smallest LCK teams are much bigger than Zeta/DFM" What do you mean by bigger ? Number of fan ? Views ? Japan league have mush view than KR league based on attendance. Money ? Maybe. Lets be honnest, do you think make FearX a franchised 4th team in val, will bring more viewer ? More people that buy bundle ? How thats possible ?
Anguibok [#12]What do you mean by "The initial plan" ? Riot original plan in 2023
Anyway doing that Thailand, Indonesia and MYSG doesnt have a spot wish is kind weird based how those 3 region where kinda good in 2022, If that's Riot I have absolutely no remember of that @.@"Even the smallest LCK teams are much bigger than Zeta/DFM" What do you mean by bigger ? Number of fan ? Views ? Japan league have mush view than KR league based on attendance. Money ? Maybe. Lets be honnest, do you think make FearX a franchised 4th team in val, will bring more viewer ? More people that buy bundle ? How thats possible ?
Just the value of the club.
They all spent $10 million just to get a league franchise, they spend millions of dollars a year, and they get that from investors.
I'm talking about a much bigger financial flow of korean teams. In 2021, Japanese company GameWith bought a 60% stake in Team Detonation(now DFM) for 250 million yen.
In the same 2021, DK's parent company Abyss Corp bought a 6% stake in DK through a capital increase, valued at 10 billion won. 6% of DK is more than twice as expensive as 100% of Detonation.
But that's league side, Of course they'll never be as popular on Valo as Zeta, obviously. And just because they have a lot of money doesn't mean they spend a lot on Valo. Their tier 2 players get paid as much as a convenience store cashier. DK even got in trouble for not giving their R6 team that much.
Surely you can't expect much viewers and fans. also sell bundles.... (the 3 korean teams are pretty good at selling bundles, though). That's why DFM is a partner and they're not.
Anguibok [#12]What do you mean by "The initial plan" ? Riot original plan in 2023
Anyway doing that Thailand, Indonesia and MYSG doesnt have a spot wish is kind weird based how those 3 region where kinda good in 2022, If that's Riot I have absolutely no remember of that @.@"Even the smallest LCK teams are much bigger than Zeta/DFM" What do you mean by bigger ? Number of fan ? Views ? Japan league have mush view than KR league based on attendance. Money ? Maybe. Lets be honnest, do you think make FearX a franchised 4th team in val, will bring more viewer ? More people that buy bundle ? How thats possible ?
https://x.com/s3rius2k1/status/1571746949149360128
I found the rumor tweet. I have to admit that I've never paid any attention to SEA, so I'm not sure if that's the actual plan, but I do remember hearing korean officials indirectly mention 5 teams (4 Korean and Japanese Nongshim).
on the other hand there were also rumors of 3 Japanese teams (CR, Zeta, and Nongshim). I'll agree that it was confusing. Anyway, it ended up in its current form.
Biostar [#14]https://x.com/s3rius2k1/status/1571746949149360128
I found the rumor tweet. I have to admit that I've never paid any attention to SEA, so I'm not sure if that's the actual plan, but I do remember hearing korean officials indirectly mention 5 teams (4 Korean and Japanese Nongshim).
on the other hand there were also rumors of 3 Japanese teams (CR, Zeta, and Nongshim). I'll agree that it was confusing. Anyway, it ended up in its current form.
This tweet was so far from true T.T It really make no sense, Phillipines was one of the weakest SEA region :/
The current form make so mush sense especially at this time where KR wasn't that good, but now I admit they are a room for more KR team, but the real question here is that, "Are we sure more franchised KR team will bring more fans ?" I'm really not sure of that :/
Anguibok [#16]This tweet was so far from true T.T It really make no sense, Phillipines was one of the weakest SEA region :/
The current form make so mush sense especially at this time where KR wasn't that good, but now I admit they are a room for more KR team, but the real question here is that, "Are we sure more franchised KR team will bring more fans ?" I'm really not sure of that :/
Well, the PAC is the most nationalistic of all the regions. People feel pain when their team is eliminated, they don't look more, and they hate other countries. When one region's fans grow, the other region's fans die. It will take several mythical international wins to break through the wall and attract international fans. And I have no idea if that's even possible.
What I can guarantee is that the highest number of skin purchases per viewer in APAC will be from Korean viewers. They are passionate gamers who don't stop at watching.
This will help Riot's finances, which is the only thing they care about, but it never will result in some sort of thriving asian gaming/esports culture or other good shits.
Biostar [#17]Well, the PAC is the most nationalistic of all the regions. People feel pain when their team is eliminated, they don't look more, and they hate other countries. When one region's fans grow, the other region's fans die. It will take several mythical international wins to break through the wall and attract international fans. And I have no idea if that's even possible.
What I can guarantee is that the highest number of skin purchases per viewer in APAC will be from Korean viewers. They are passionate gamers who don't stop at watching.
This will help Riot's finances, which is the only thing they care about, but it never will result in some sort of thriving asian gaming/esports culture or other good shits.
"What I can guarantee is that the highest number of skin purchases per viewer in APAC will be from Korean viewers. "
Looking at how Japan T2 is more popular than Korean T2, i'm not fully sure of that T.T.
If they are more KR team, does the KR skin buying will not just dillute into the different team ? Like KR team have more concurrencies and win less ?
Anguibok [#18]"What I can guarantee is that the highest number of skin purchases per viewer in APAC will be from Korean viewers. "
Looking at how Japan T2 is more popular than Korean T2, i'm not fully sure of that T.T.If they are more KR team, does the KR skin buying will not just dillute into the different team ? Like KR team have more concurrencies and win less ?
The Japanese are passionate viewers, not passionate gamers. Although they are far more numerous.
You know, I believe (or at least hope) that this is a periodic situation rather than a progressive one.
What I meant is that SEA teams are complacent with their previous achievements (Qualifying for masters, winning ascensions, etc., and yes, I know there weren't many). KR, with their past struggles, finally enjoying the fruits of their efforts now, after previously only having DRX as a "real" contender.
Hopefully, this KR domination acts as a warning to these currently inferior regions to actually put more effort into making the league more competitive. I pray they act fast tho before the gap becomes so large like LOL is rn.
Biostar [#19]The Japanese are passionate viewers, not passionate gamers. Although they are far more numerous.
The paradox here is that it's not the number of game you play that bring money to Riot !
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