When I see many of you talking about how a player needs to be humble to perform better, how tf that theory work in your mind? Humble = better performance? Ego = worse performance? Seriously wtf?
Most of the greatest athletes of all time on real world sports have built their legacies with an immense amount of ego.
Did you get trapped in Disney world? How old are you? Do you even understand how sports psychology works?
Or is it just that you feel worse about yourself when someone talks down to you, making you feel less valuable?
Please give me a logical explanation, not an emotional one. Thank you.
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elysxxm [#2]I’m sorry but I’m not gonna be reading this, to answer your question in the title, Yes vlr is funny. I hope that answered your question
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Prasinos [#5]You are missing a key point.
These top pros earned their egos.
The other didn't.
If u aren't humble to accept that u still have a lot to improve, u will get stuck or below at you skill level.And after u become a king, u can act as a king.
How the fuck does ego mean you're not willing to improve? Wow, that just blew my mind.
If you watch documentaries, the top-notch guys have huge egos from day one.
Ilia Topuria talks about how he could beat all the GOATs of his division before he even made it into the top 15 in the rankings, and everyone just laughed at him.
Now he knocks out every GOAT and rules the whole division. Do you think that’s when he gained his ego? No, he’s always had it, lived with it, and grinded all the way to the top.
This is just one simple example, and you can learn more if you want.
Your answer just shows that you have no clue about the sports world.
Prasinos [#5]You are missing a key point.
These top pros earned their egos.
The other didn't.
If u aren't humble to accept that u still have a lot to improve, u will get stuck or below at you skill level.And after u become a king, u can act as a king.
And after u become a king, u can act as a king.This is truly the opposite way to become a top performer. You have to believe in yourself first, then you'll have a chance to become one. Whether you act it out or not doesn’t really matter anyway.
believing in yourself is key to becoming a top performer. It’s not just about acting confident, but actually having that inner conviction and mindset that you can make it. If you don’t truly believe in your potential, how can you put in the work to get there? Confidence fuels the grind, and without it, you’d probably never push yourself past the limits. Acting like you’re at the top might not matter, but feeling like you belong there is what drives everything forward.
h0rniepapi [#6]How the fuck does ego mean you're not willing to improve? Wow, that just blew my mind.
If you watch documentaries, the top-notch guys have huge egos from day one.
Ilia Topuria talks about how he could beat all the GOATs of his division before he even made it into the top 15 in the rankings, and everyone just laughed at him.
Now he knocks out every GOAT and rules the whole division. Do you think that’s when he gained his ego? No, he’s always had it, lived with it, and grinded all the way to the top.
This is just one simple example, and you can learn more if you want.
Your answer just shows that you have no clue about the sports world.
Ego makes u blind to you own flaws, this pro u mentioned was the best since day 1, winning against everyone, and this already is a big feat + its box, box allways was natural talent > hard work + he was egocentric against other players and not his staff like other pros is.
And u logic doesn't aplly to every sport, Pelé for example only earned his ego after his first world cup, staying humble at the beggining let him to envolve his skills.
It's like everything, it's a balance, you have to have enough ego to aim to be the best, but not too mush ego may make you loose because you forget this is a teamplay, that you also do mistake, and you always need to learn.
Take a fully baysian down-to-earth player, when he will start a game he will jsut say : "I Have 50% of chance to win that game" he will not climb, he dont have enough ego. But a top player have ego, because without it they wouldn't be that high, he wouldnt manage to hit Radiant and find a team, so we will never ask ourself "Is this guy lack of ego", we know he have enough, the problemwith toplayer will be that "he might have TOO MUSH ego"
h0rniepapi [#7]And after u become a king, u can act as a king.This is truly the opposite way to become a top performer. You have to believe in yourself first, then you'll have a chance to become one. Whether you act it out or not doesn’t really matter anyway.
believing in yourself is key to becoming a top performer. It’s not just about acting confident, but actually having that inner conviction and mindset that you can make it. If you don’t truly believe in your potential, how can you put in the work to get there? Confidence fuels the grind, and without it, you’d probably never push yourself past the limits. Acting like you’re at the top might not matter, but feeling like you belong there is what drives everything forward.
Actually I do agree with u, but I tink we are confusing the conception of "egocentric" player here.
Egocentric for me, is the dude who don't listen to his coachs and tink "I'm better than this mf", and proceeds to shits to his own staff.
- Ego is good until a certain level, if u belive in yourself that much with feats in your back, u gonna improve.
Now if u don't have smth to call feat, and say "I'm the best oat, no ones will ever be equal to me". This might turn u in a delusional dude who can't envolve due.
Prasinos [#9]Ego makes u blind to you own flaws, this pro u mentioned was the best since day 1, winning against everyone, and this already is a big feat + its box, box allways was natural talent > hard work + he was egocentric against other players and not his staff like other pros is.
And u logic doesn't aplly to every sport, Pelé for example only earned his ego after his first world cup, staying humble at the beggining let him to envolve his skills.
Being humble is choice. And having EGO is another choice I never say being humble is bad. My point is having EGO is not bad at all. you skip a lot of my question and thrown you own view everywhere. I said I need answer, but I never got one from you. so, this is another chance. I'll make it easier.
- How the fuck does ego mean you're not willing to improve?
- Why Ego makes u blind, when Ego doesn't mean delusion. Yeah Delusion make you blind.
- How a player needs to be humble to perform better? Can they perform well while have full trust on their ability?
- Is being humble a real solution of this problem? I don't think it's that easy.
Prasinos [#11]Actually I do agree with u, but I tink we are confusing the conception of "egocentric" player here.
Egocentric for me, is the dude who don't listen to his coachs and tink "I'm better than this mf", and proceeds to shits to his own staff.
- Ego is good until a certain level, if u belive in yourself that much with feats in your back, u gonna improve.
Now if u don't have smth to call feat, and say "I'm the best oat, no ones will ever be equal to me". This might turn u in a delusional dude who can't envolve due.
And that's the point. Ego doesn't mean being delusional.
When you guys try to act like you're giving solutions to the players by being humble, you don't even know what's going on backstage. Just because you see a player talk shit in a ranked game or in an interview, it doesn't mean they treat their team and staff the same way. Even the ones with the biggest egos in the Valorant scene still respect their coach and their team.
And that makes me wonder—how can you guys judge with zero information?
Egocentric for me, is the dude who don't listen to his coachs and tink "I'm better than this mf", and proceeds to shits to his own staff.I'll be honest with you that this kind of behavior won't even pass the first test to get in Tier 1 team. make less chance that's the real problem they face.
Yistyy [#8]This is so true. You can't become great if you don't have the confidence in yourself.
I Agreed with this take 100%
h0rniepapi [#12]Being humble is choice. And having EGO is another choice I never say being humble is bad. My point is having EGO is not bad at all. you skip a lot of my question and thrown you own view everywhere. I said I need answer, but I never got one from you. so, this is another chance. I'll make it easier.
- How the fuck does ego mean you're not willing to improve?
- Why Ego makes u blind, when Ego doesn't mean delusion. Yeah Delusion make you blind.
- How a player needs to be humble to perform better? Can they perform well while have full trust on their ability?
- Is being humble a real solution of this problem? I don't think it's that easy.
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Not being able to reflect about you own mistakes will lead u to the same mistakes, being egocentric like the top pros u mentioned will lead they to fail, and I mean the top pros ego.
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Delusion comes with ego, in fact being delusional comes with u being to egocentric refusing to accept you own flaws.
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This was made it clear in the post #11, isn't about perfoming, is about not being able to envolve turning u back to you own coach.
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Isn't the solution neither being just egocentric.
U had to be humble to accept you own flaws and egocentric to trust at yourself and motivate yourself.
U seen to be mad about some box argue os smth so I ask u pls calm down and read the things right, bc I made clear that isnt a problem to have ego, is a problem to be egocentric to you own staff, thing that most of top pros u mentioned do.
Prasinos [#17]
Not being able to reflect about you own mistakes will lead u to the same mistakes, being egocentric like the top pros u mentioned will lead they to fail, and I mean the top pros ego.
Delusion comes with ego, in fact being delusional comes with u being to egocentric refusing to accept you own flaws.
This was made it clear in the post #11, isn't about perfoming, is about not being able to envolve turning u back to you own coach.
Isn't the solution neither being just egocentric.
U had to be humble to accept you own flaws and egocentric to trust at yourself and motivate yourself.U seen to be mad about some box argue os smth so I ask u pls calm down and read the things right, bc I made clear that isnt a problem to have ego, is a problem to be egocentric to you own staff, thing that most of top pros u mentioned do.
Talk yo shit prasinos this guy has no ball knowledge I support you
h0rniepapi [#14]And that's the point. Ego doesn't mean being delusional.
When you guys try to act like you're giving solutions to the players by being humble, you don't even know what's going on backstage. Just because you see a player talk shit in a ranked game or in an interview, it doesn't mean they treat their team and staff the same way. Even the ones with the biggest egos in the Valorant scene still respect their coach and their team.
And that makes me wonder—how can you guys judge with zero information?Egocentric for me, is the dude who don't listen to his coachs and tink "I'm better than this mf", and proceeds to shits to his own staff.I'll be honest with you that this kind of behavior won't even pass the first test to get in Tier 1 team. make less chance that's the real problem they face.
Tier 1 team
Actually it pass a lot, and I'm not talking only about Esports here.
These guys join the T1 due to their massive skills, but eventually they will lose to a team who also has a massive skill but they are "humble" enough to reflect about their own mistakes.
Brazil suffers from this a lot not only in Esports but also in Sports.
Our football selection smash everyone due to ego but allways lose to a more disciplined one.
elysxxm [#19]Talk yo shit prasinos this guy has no ball knowledge I support you
The dude has a point throught, ego is necessary, but too much ego is also a poison if u don't have feats to hold u back.
Ego is a double edge sword, it will cut others deeply, but it may cut you deeply too.
Prasinos [#17]
Not being able to reflect about you own mistakes will lead u to the same mistakes, being egocentric like the top pros u mentioned will lead they to fail, and I mean the top pros ego.
Delusion comes with ego, in fact being delusional comes with u being to egocentric refusing to accept you own flaws.
This was made it clear in the post #11, isn't about perfoming, is about not being able to envolve turning u back to you own coach.
Isn't the solution neither being just egocentric.
U had to be humble to accept you own flaws and egocentric to trust at yourself and motivate yourself.U seen to be mad about some box argue os smth so I ask u pls calm down and read the things right, bc I made clear that isnt a problem to have ego, is a problem to be egocentric to you own staff, thing that most of top pros u mentioned do.
You say that ego leads to failure if you’re too egocentric, but you're missing a point. Ego does not necessarily make someone fail. It's when ego turns into narrow-mindedness and refusing to learn from others that causes issues. You keep saying that ego comes with delusion, but I’m telling you: that’s not how it works. Ego and delusion are two different things. Delusion blinds you from reality and prevents you from growing, whereas ego, when kept in check, is simply self-belief a necessary trait for achieving greatness.
You also bring up the point that not being humble means turning your back on your coach. I disagree. Having ego doesn’t mean you disrespect your coach. You can still respect your coach and still believe in your ability. Being egocentric means disregarding feedback entirely, and that's where the issue lies. I’m saying ego should coexist with self-awareness. It’s not about disrespecting others, it’s about trusting yourself while also being open to improving with the help of others.
In the end, you’re still mixing up the difference between ego and delusion. Ego is about self-belief, delusion is refusing to see your own flaws. Balance is the key confidence in yourself combined with the humility to accept feedback and keep evolving. That’s what leads to success. I’m not saying being humble is bad, I’m saying it’s not the only key to being great.
Prasinos [#21]The dude has a point throught, ego is necessary, but too much ego is also a poison if u don't have feats to hold u back.
Ego is a double edge sword, it will cut others deeply, but it may cut you deeply too.
elysxxm You can fight me with you take. I'll slap your ass too :)
Prasinos [#20]Tier 1 team
Actually it pass a lot, and I'm not talking only about Esports here.
These guys join the T1 due to their massive skills, but eventually they will lose to a team who also has a massive skill but they are "humble" enough to reflect about their own mistakes.Brazil suffers from this a lot not only in Esports but also in Sports.
Our football selection smash everyone due to ego but allways lose to a more disciplined one.
"humble" and "reflect about their own mistakes" is actually 2 difference story.
You can have "EGO" and "reflect about your own mistakes" at the same time
EGO doesn't mean you become animal with no IQ to think about what went wrong and improve by that.
Didn't you get it? I think you get lost in your own process.
number7_cNed_fan [#18]W take, tho I'm a hater, Ronaldo was pretty damn good at football in his prime, and that guy had a MASSIVE ego
Demon1 popped off in 2023 when he was calling himself the best in the game, and now that he's lost his aura, he can't hit a raze ult to save his life
Many Kings of Sports world drived by unbelievable ego that normal average man can feel insulted by watching those guy.
51etatdequebec [#16]i love vlr. at least we dont take ourselfes seriously, where on r/valcompetitve they spread shit takes but have an ego about it
We spread good takes and we have high rank people here
h0rniepapi [#22]You say that ego leads to failure if you’re too egocentric, but you're missing a point. Ego does not necessarily make someone fail. It's when ego turns into narrow-mindedness and refusing to learn from others that causes issues. You keep saying that ego comes with delusion, but I’m telling you: that’s not how it works. Ego and delusion are two different things. Delusion blinds you from reality and prevents you from growing, whereas ego, when kept in check, is simply self-belief a necessary trait for achieving greatness.
You also bring up the point that not being humble means turning your back on your coach. I disagree. Having ego doesn’t mean you disrespect your coach. You can still respect your coach and still believe in your ability. Being egocentric means disregarding feedback entirely, and that's where the issue lies. I’m saying ego should coexist with self-awareness. It’s not about disrespecting others, it’s about trusting yourself while also being open to improving with the help of others.
In the end, you’re still mixing up the difference between ego and delusion. Ego is about self-belief, delusion is refusing to see your own flaws. Balance is the key confidence in yourself combined with the humility to accept feedback and keep evolving. That’s what leads to success. I’m not saying being humble is bad, I’m saying it’s not the only key to being great.
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Ego does not necessarily make someone fail
But this was exactly what I said,
It's when ego turns into narrow-mindedness and refusing to learn from others that causes issues.
Again, this is exactly what I said, when I say its bad, I meant the ego of the top pros (Pelé, Cr7, Mohhamed) These pros belive that they are perfect and are the others who need to improve. And they are right, bc they proved they are right and have feats, if a new pro has this type of thinking, it will be poinsonus to him.
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You also bring up the point that not being humble means turning your back on your coach.
I didn't said this.
Egocentric for me, is the dude who don't listen to his coachs and tink "I'm better than this mf", and proceeds to shits to his own staff.
I meant egocentric, that most of the times the top pros (Pelé etc) are due to his high ego.
Having ego isn't a problem, problem is turning the back this early to yo team.
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Ego is about self-belief
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delusion is refusing to see your own flaws
If you belive that u are perfect the way u are (High ego).
U are incapable of seeing you own flaws (Delusion)
Delusion comes with ego, bc ego is what keeps you in the delusion.
Balance is the key confidence in yourself combined with the humility to accept feedback and keep evolving.
But this was exactly whay I told from the start bruv 😭😭😭.
Read with a slow pace pls.
That’s what leads to success. I’m not saying being humble is bad
But I never had make to intend u meant this.
Nah bruh I tink we aren't at the same pace here.
h0rniepapi [#24]"humble" and "reflect about their own mistakes" is actually 2 difference story.
You can have "EGO" and "reflect about your own mistakes" at the same time
EGO doesn't mean you become animal with no IQ to think about what went wrong and improve by that.
Didn't you get it? I think you get lost in your own process.
humble" and "reflect about their own mistakes" is actually 2 difference story.
Yes, that's why I used the """.
It meant that u don't need to be necessarly 100% humble to have self awareness, but it's necessary to be humble with yourself to recocnize you own mistakes.
U are making this narrative like its 100% humble vs 100% ego and I'm trying to say to you isn't this narrative.
Prasinos [#30]humble" and "reflect about their own mistakes" is actually 2 difference story.
Yes, that's why I used the """.
It meant that u don't need to be necessarly 100% humble to have self awareness, but it's necessary to be humble with yourself to recocnize you own mistakes.U are making this narrative like its 100% humble vs 100% ego and I'm trying to say to you isn't this narrative.
I think you get lost from my main point just read my original idea again as much as you explain you just prove my point more
"Humble = better performance? Ego = worse performance? Seriously wtf?"
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