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localkoolkid [#7]idk about ever bro
hes been insane since 2021
that level of consistency is unheard of
thenutoriousPRO [#10]hes been insane since 2021
that level of consistency is unheard of
so have other players, and said players have achievments/trophies (also his avg placements in internationals is damn near last place in each)
washedradiant [#11]its all time, not since you started watching valorant
he hasnt done shit since 22 and you know it
localkoolkid [#12]so have other players, and said players have achievments/trophies (also his avg placements in internationals is damn near last place in each)
what players have remained at a world class level that long
thenutoriousPRO [#10]hes been insane since 2021
that level of consistency is unheard of
bc you never heard of derke, only him, keznit and aspas are the only ones who have been insane since 2021
thenutoriousPRO [#14]what players have remained at a world class level that long
"World class level" his world is literally only americas 🤣🤣🤣🤣
localkoolkid [#12]so have other players, and said players have achievments/trophies (also his avg placements in internationals is damn near last place in each)
SA teams level are very low, kru members are mid... I think that even so standing out in a team like this, going to all the champions, is a great merit, and he has always been a good player
x_knowitall39_x [#13]he hasnt done shit since 22 and you know it
did u watch lcq 2023??? keznit literally singlehandedly dragged his team to champs as the 10 seed
x_knowitall39_x [#16]"World class level" his world is literally only americas 🤣🤣🤣🤣
he went to every champions and got good stats too
cascascas [#15]bc you never heard of derke, only him, keznit and aspas are the only ones who have been insane since 2021
derke has never been as good as the other 2
but yes he is somewhere around top 20 as well
thenutoriousPRO [#19]did u watch lcq 2023??? keznit literally singlehandedly dragged his team to champs as the 10 seed
you genuinely didnt watch the games if you are unironically saying "singlehandedly"
x_knowitall39_x [#13]he hasnt done shit since 22 and you know it
achievement wise no his team was mid for so long, but individually always saves himself a spot in top stats
washedradiant [#23]achievement wise no his team was mid for so long, but individually always saves himself a spot in top stats
individually he looks good on a mid team. still braindead to call him a top 10 player ever. you dont even need to ponder to name up 15 players that deserve it more
x_knowitall39_x [#16]"World class level" his world is literally only americas 🤣🤣🤣🤣
hes been to every champs and if he won an 18-16 ot game he would have gone to champs finals
x_knowitall39_x [#24]individually he looks good on a mid team. still braindead to call him a top 10 player ever. you dont even need to ponder to name up 15 players that deserve it more
so, who is better than keznit?
make me a top 10 most consistant players ever
x_knowitall39_x [#24]individually he looks good on a mid team. still braindead to call him a top 10 player ever. you dont even need to ponder to name up 15 players that deserve it more
name 10 players better all time
x_knowitall39_x [#13]he hasnt done shit since 22 and you know it
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1189/champions-tour-2023-americas-league
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1658/champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2004/champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2095/champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-2
x_knowitall39_x [#22]you genuinely didnt watch the games if you are unironically saying "singlehandedly"
maybe not singlehandedly but he was by far the best player on that team, i dont know if any other duelist in the world can carry that team to champs, maybe not even aspas
Cerati [#26]so, who is better than keznit?
make me a top 10 most consistant players ever
moving the goalpost from top 10 ever to top 10 consistent but its okay ill play your game
derke aspas sacy pancada cauanzin chronicle leo zekken tenz less
not even the top 10 consistent player ever but tops keznit, and crazily enough, all but one has trophies
foythvlr [#29]regional merchant
i mean its not like he chokes in internationals kru has just never been that good
x_knowitall39_x [#32]moving the goalpost from top 10 ever to top 10 consistent but its okay ill play your game
derke aspas sacy pancada cauanzin chronicle leo zekken tenz less
not even the top 10 consistent player ever but tops keznit, and crazily enough, all but one has trophies
cauanzin, pancada and sacy is crazy
Cerati [#34]cauanzin, pancada and sacy is crazy
wow. youre just delusional. I don't know how else to put it, I even went for specifically the players who have been playing for years but you just cant accept it
thenutoriousPRO [#33]i mean its not like he chokes in internationals kru has just never been that good
i wouldn't really say choking but since kru 2021 run he never goes as well internationally as he does regionally. he usually just farms on "easier" games on regular season and people elevate him to a status he never has been. it is a good player, but still got a lot to prove to be on the greatest conversation
koromast [#31]on jett only*
nah aspas is a better oper and is slightly superior in aim and movement, keznit is a slightly superior entry fragger
x_knowitall39_x [#35]wow. youre just delusional. I don't know how else to put it, I even went for specifically the players who have been playing for years but you just cant accept it
i ask you for the most consistent but u said in the same answer "not even the top 10 consistent"
Cerati [#39]i ask you for the most consistent but u said in the same answer "not even the top 10 consistent"
"player ever but tops keznit" As in they are all more consistent than Keznit, I avoided the players who have been playing for ~2 years due to sample size
x_knowitall39_x [#32]moving the goalpost from top 10 ever to top 10 consistent but its okay ill play your game
derke aspas sacy pancada cauanzin chronicle leo zekken tenz less
not even the top 10 consistent player ever but tops keznit, and crazily enough, all but one has trophies
pancada sacy and tenz were all pretty shit on sen for a bit tbh, wouldnt call them more consistent. i have no idea why cauanzin is on that list considering he did nothing pre franchising. others i could maybe agree with but not sure about zekken and derke
jawn [#38]nah aspas is a better oper and is slightly superior in aim and movement, keznit is a slightly superior entry fragger
aspas is a better jett and oper, keznit is a better raze and rifle
thenutoriousPRO [#21]derke has never been as good as the other 2
but yes he is somewhere around top 20 as well
lmfao, never been good as the other 2
aspas=derke
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only regional merchant other than the 2021 champs run
thenutoriousPRO [#14]what players have remained at a world class level that long
1: Derke
2: Mako
3: Chronicle
4: Leo
5: Alfajer
6: TenZ
7: Aspas
8: Sacy
9: Less
10: even fucking LAKIA has more achievments then bro
(could keep going btw)
also ik it is not since 2021 but they have done more in less time
Also "world class" is cap, bro is regionally class
NebularCarina [#28]https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1189/champions-tour-2023-americas-league
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1658/champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2004/champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2095/champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-2
literal stat merchant
x_knowitall39_x [#40]"player ever but tops keznit" As in they are all more consistent than Keznit, I avoided the players who have been playing for ~2 years due to sample size
keznit make it to champs every year with a mid team, they all have good teams... bring him some merit, no?
and keznit played well the 4 years of being in tier 1
and every year make it to the top 15 minimun stats
cascascas [#43]lmfao, never been good as the other 2
aspas=derke
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only regional merchant other than the 2021 champs run
derke is nowhere near aspas. great player but he is nowhere near as explosive or dominant as keznit and aspas. like derke never seemed like a "star" duelist player, which if fine because it fit fncs playstyle but hes not the type of guy you build a team around like keznit aspas zekken t3xture kangkang etc
Cerati [#42]aspas is a better jett and oper, keznit is a better raze and rifle
idk bout that rifler part
localkoolkid [#44]1: Derke
2: Mako
3: Chronicle
4: Leo
5: Alfajer
6: TenZ
7: Aspas
8: Sacy
9: Less
10: even fucking LAKIA has more achievments then bro
(could keep going btw)
also ik it is not since 2021 but they have done more in less time
Also "world class" is cap, bro is regionally class
we are talking about the player, not about achievements
keznit has a 6k in a champions!!
jawn [#48]idk bout that rifler part
well, its my opinion, obviously we can see the stats, but, its just that, my opinion
Cerati [#49]we are talking about the player, not about achievements
keznit has a 6k in a champions!!
was almost half a decade ago bro, my man was hunting cavemen with a bow and arrow.
Also the players all have higher peaks then the guy, while being consistent at a high level, and have trophies to back it up, if you disagree you are deluded.
localkoolkid [#51]was almost half a decade ago bro, my man was hunting cavemen with a bow and arrow.
Also the players all have higher peaks then the guy, while being consistent at a high level, and have trophies to back it up, if you disagree you are deluded.
he make it top the top stats every year, i don't disagree, but, give him some merit
Cerati [#52]he make it top the top stats every year, i don't disagree, but, give him some merit
he is good don't get me wrong, but top 10 is crazy, bro is lucky to sniff top 20
localkoolkid [#53]he is good don't get me wrong, but top 10 is crazy, bro is lucky to sniff top 20
ah yes but i won't call it lucky, but yea, atleast he got the top 20
localkoolkid [#44]1: Derke
2: Mako
3: Chronicle
4: Leo
5: Alfajer
6: TenZ
7: Aspas
8: Sacy
9: Less
10: even fucking LAKIA has more achievments then bro
(could keep going btw)
also ik it is not since 2021 but they have done more in less time
Also "world class" is cap, bro is regionally class
let me break down each one
derke: i can agree he is very consistent, but as i mentioned to someone else his peak is not on the same level as keznit. but yes he has remained at a world class level
mako: sure i agree
chronicle: sure
leo: not sure who started this narrative that leo has always been world class but no one really rated him like that pre fnatic. he was still very good but i would not say world class until maybe late 2022
alfa: where was he in 2021?
tenz: tenz in 2022 and 2023 was not world class
aspas: technically didnt become world class until 2022 but ill let it slide
sacy: sacy was not world class in 2023 or 2021
less: same as aspas but ill let it slide
lakia: never been world class lol
so in total u listed 3 players who have remained at a world class level that long
thenutoriousPRO [#55]let me break down each one
derke: i can agree he is very consistent, but as i mentioned to someone else his peak is not on the same level as keznit. but yes he has remained at a world class level
mako: sure i agree
chronicle: sure
leo: not sure who started this narrative that leo has always been world class but no one really rated him like that pre fnatic. he was still very good but i would not say world class until maybe late 2022
alfa: where was he in 2021?
tenz: tenz in 2022 and 2023 was not world class
aspas: technically didnt become world class until 2022 but ill let it slide
sacy: sacy was not world class in 2023 or 2021
less: same as aspas but ill let it slide
lakia: never been world class lolso in total u listed 3 players who have remained at a world class level that long
they still clear Keznit (except Lakia but I was just making a trophy joke)
thenutoriousPRO [#41]pancada sacy and tenz were all pretty shit on sen for a bit tbh, wouldnt call them more consistent. i have no idea why cauanzin is on that list considering he did nothing pre franchising. others i could maybe agree with but not sure about zekken and derke
16 year old cauanzin top fragged a match against prime top 3 zeta on masters reykjavik on his rookie year (and with a very troll team)
next year he was at loud and since then he has more international appearances than keznit himself
foythvlr [#58]16 year old cauanzin top fragged a match against prime top 3 zeta on masters reykjavik on his rookie year (and with a very troll team)
next year he was at loud and since then he has more international appearances than keznit himself
keznit got a 6k at champs shlawg
thenutoriousPRO [#47]derke is nowhere near aspas. great player but he is nowhere near as explosive or dominant as keznit and aspas. like derke never seemed like a "star" duelist player, which if fine because it fit fncs playstyle but hes not the type of guy you build a team around like keznit aspas zekken t3xture kangkang etc
lmfao are you seeing vitality right now? it proves that derke was not a system player, shows your lack of val knowledge and only paying attention to americas
cascascas [#60]lmfao are you seeing vitality right now? it proves that derke was not a system player, shows your lack of val knowledge and only paying attention to americas
never called derke a system player shlawg
Cerati [#46]keznit make it to champs every year with a mid team, they all have good teams... bring him some merit, no?
and keznit played well the 4 years of being in tier 1
and every year make it to the top 15 minimun stats
Ye
One of Keznit's worst years was 2022, and KRU almost defeated FPX in the first group match.
Obviously they also were destroyed by Leviatan, but even in those circumstances he did it well.
ZRKZ [#62]Ye
One of Keznit's worst years was 2022, and KRU almost defeated FPX in the first group match.
Obviously they also were destroyed by Leviatan, but even in those circumstances he did it well.
yea, it's just logic
thenutoriousPRO [#61]never called derke a system player shlawg
then elaborate the fncs playstyle lmfao
cascascas [#15]bc you never heard of derke, only him, keznit and aspas are the only ones who have been insane since 2021
Even Buzz
thenutoriousPRO [#47]derke is nowhere near aspas. great player but he is nowhere near as explosive or dominant as keznit and aspas. like derke never seemed like a "star" duelist player, which if fine because it fit fncs playstyle but hes not the type of guy you build a team around like keznit aspas zekken t3xture kangkang etc
ok no this is complete cap, derke single handedly won FNC so many games
the reason u say he isnt explosive is because he was put on a leash in FNC, he said this in an interview and he says he feels more free in vitality and you can literally see the difference
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