People need to accept the truth about SEA

SEA is basically just rrq and talon and it's nobody's fault except the SEA orgs not anybody else it's really up to them to change it up

What SEA orgs need to do is look for the huge amount of talent that there is in South east asia they can find huge improvements. Talon could find the new primmie

elendooo1 [#2]

What SEA orgs need to do is look for the huge amount of talent that there is in South east asia they can find huge improvements. Talon could find the new primmie

Their academy team looks like it has some guys who could do it in the future ngl

elendooo1 [#2]

What SEA orgs need to do is look for the huge amount of talent that there is in South east asia they can find huge improvements. Talon could find the new primmie

already doing that with the academy thing. and it looks promising.
idk why PRX decided to not field an academy team because heck, they needed one right now.

bearmans [#4]

already doing that with the academy thing. and it looks promising.
idk why PRX decided to not field an academy team because heck, they needed one right now.

This is my point though all the other orgs in sea except rrq and talon are doing nothing about their talent and if they take too long to do so there won't be any left to sign

bearmans [#4]

already doing that with the academy thing. and it looks promising.
idk why PRX decided to not field an academy team because heck, they needed one right now.

I mean, compared to everyone on the APAC Tier 1 PRX is probably the Org with the least commitment out of the 10 main teams.

Galactc [#5]

This is my point though all the other orgs in sea except rrq and talon are doing nothing about their talent and if they take too long to do so there won't be any left to sign

TS is also fielding an acad team though.
not looking great, of course, it's TS.

bearmans [#4]

already doing that with the academy thing. and it looks promising.
idk why PRX decided to not field an academy team because heck, they needed one right now.

paper rex is piss poor

They need a great shuffle as well, just like Emea doing this year

bearmans [#7]

TS is also fielding an acad team though.
not looking great, of course, it's TS.

That's fair but it feels like all of TS' changes are done for the sake of it without any research like their academy team isn't even that good rn

Anzaldinho [#8]

paper rex is piss poor

how are they piss poor? having acad team isn't like having another game team, surely?

cyk [#9]

They need a great shuffle as well, just like Emea doing this year

Probably but honestly it's just sea everywhere else gets new talent year by year

I will admit I have no idea about the tier 2 SEA scene so take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I think maybe SEA could benefit from the EU approach
Instead of building rosters around primarily one country, they should build rosters for the region as a whole

For example: VIT, KC have no French players.
TH, KOI and GX have no Spanish players.
APK don't have a Norwegian player.
But all of them have 'EU players' + a few imports

I think SEA orgs should take the same approach
The only org to really do it is PRX actually, with 2 MY/SG and 2 Indo players

Aayan [#13]

I will admit I have no idea about the tier 2 SEA scene so take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I think maybe SEA could benefit from the EU approach
Instead of building rosters around primarily one country, they should build rosters for the region as a whole

For example: VIT, KC have no French players.
TH, KOI and GX have no Spanish players.
APK don't have a Norwegian player.
But all of them have 'EU players' + a few imports

I think SEA orgs should take the same approach
The only org to really do it is PRX actually, with 2 MY/SG and 2 Indo players

The thing about EU is that the international teams are from shit regions like Spain France and Norway have no players (mostly) I feel like in SEA there's so many good players but also I think you are right about stepping away from regional identities

Aayan [#13]

I will admit I have no idea about the tier 2 SEA scene so take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I think maybe SEA could benefit from the EU approach
Instead of building rosters around primarily one country, they should build rosters for the region as a whole

For example: VIT, KC have no French players.
TH, KOI and GX have no Spanish players.
APK don't have a Norwegian player.
But all of them have 'EU players' + a few imports

I think SEA orgs should take the same approach
The only org to really do it is PRX actually, with 2 MY/SG and 2 Indo players

language barrier. not all SEA players can speak englandish. ID, PH, TH, VN.
that's why playing ranked in SEA server especially singapore server is mad hell.

Galactc [#14]

The thing about EU is that the international teams are from shit regions like Spain France and Norway have no players (mostly) I feel like in SEA there's so many good players but also I think you are right about stepping away from regional identities

Yeah, not to say that they don't need to tap in to their own countries talent, but it shouldn't be a priority imo.

I'll use TS as an example: they are a PH org but they can still pick up talent from other SEA sub regions, maybe they could build a roster around 2 PH players, say 1 MY/SG player and 2 Thai players for example

bearmans [#15]

language barrier. not all SEA players can speak englandish. ID, PH, TH, VN.
that's why playing ranked in SEA server especially singapore server is mad hell.

Language barriers exists in Europe too, especially in the East. It's just a hurdle that you have to overcome.
(The level of English you need to know to comm is actually a lot lower than people think)

Aayan [#16]

Yeah, not to say that they don't need to tap in to their own countries talent, but it shouldn't be a priority imo.

I'll use TS as an example: they are a PH org but they can still pick up talent from other SEA sub regions, maybe they could build a roster around 2 PH players, say 1 MY/SG player and 2 Thai players for example

Yeah I can see that but honestly it's just boring to see people blame riot over and over or just not holding teams and orgs accountable

Aayan [#13]

I will admit I have no idea about the tier 2 SEA scene so take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I think maybe SEA could benefit from the EU approach
Instead of building rosters around primarily one country, they should build rosters for the region as a whole

For example: VIT, KC have no French players.
TH, KOI and GX have no Spanish players.
APK don't have a Norwegian player.
But all of them have 'EU players' + a few imports

I think SEA orgs should take the same approach
The only org to really do it is PRX actually, with 2 MY/SG and 2 Indo players

i think its much more about the fanbase and identity u gotta understand that SEA people are very nationalistic if a team like secret goes off the approach of picking pinoys and goes international their entire fanbase will explode

Aayan [#16]

Yeah, not to say that they don't need to tap in to their own countries talent, but it shouldn't be a priority imo.

I'll use TS as an example: they are a PH org but they can still pick up talent from other SEA sub regions, maybe they could build a roster around 2 PH players, say 1 MY/SG player and 2 Thai players for example

They need to tap into the countries talent, it should've been a priority imo.

TS is marketed as " PH representative ", if the " PH representative " fielded only 2 PH on the team that's not a great look for TS. Regional identity in APAC is strong imo, doing this is just a slap in the face for the fans imo.

If anything GE proved that all TS needs to do is to wake up and picked better PH players.

Aayan [#16]

Yeah, not to say that they don't need to tap in to their own countries talent, but it shouldn't be a priority imo.

I'll use TS as an example: they are a PH org but they can still pick up talent from other SEA sub regions, maybe they could build a roster around 2 PH players, say 1 MY/SG player and 2 Thai players for example

plus, they've been doing that.
remember bleed?

kaesra [#19]

i think its much more about the fanbase and identity u gotta understand that SEA people are very nationalistic if a team like secret goes off the approach of picking pinoys and goes international their entire fanbase will explode

The way I see it, if you expect your teams to only pick up talent from one country without regard for merit you're setting you're setting them up to not be competitive. Sure it's absolutely fine if you want that, but then you shouldn't demand results imo. You have prioritise one or the other more often than not.

The reason regions like Korea can get away with it is because of how deeply engrained (PC) esports is in their culture, for example; you want a top tier initiator? you have 5 to pick from, I just don't think that's the case with the subregions in SEA.
I think what GE are doing is perfect, they realised that perhaps they didn't have the most competitive region, so they chose to look abroad and pick up foreign talent specifically for the roles they needed

Aayan [#22]

The way I see it, if you expect your teams to only pick up talent from one country without regard for merit you're setting you're setting them up to not be competitive. Sure it's absolutely fine if you want that, but then you shouldn't demand results imo. You have prioritise one or the other more often than not.

The reason regions like Korea can get away with it is because of how deeply engrained (PC) esports is in their culture, for example; you want a top tier initiator? you have 5 to pick from, I just don't think that's the case with the subregions in SEA.
I think what GE are doing is perfect, they realised that perhaps they didn't have the most competitive region, so they chose to look abroad and pick up foreign talent specifically for the roles they needed

you gotta understand that orgs are still a business; the fanbase keeps the money coming in - if i try and go international and fail to succeed i lose my team identity and fanbase its not a risk worth taking if im an org owner imo ! look at estrella today i dont think he played bad but the indonesian fans were really trying to get him cut after that loss

kaesra [#23]

you gotta understand that orgs are still a business; the fanbase keeps the money coming in - if i try and go international and fail to succeed i lose my team identity and fanbase its not a risk worth taking if im an org owner imo ! look at estrella today i dont think he played bad but the indonesian fans were really trying to get him cut after that loss

Nah everyone's trying to get him cut for nothing not just fans

The Korean teams have Korean rosters so there is no reason why it shouldn't work. I think a reshuffling is long overdue and some serious superteams should be made. T1 struggled last year with an international roster despite having talents yet look at them now.

• Imagine an Indonesian team that could perhaps poach Forsaken and Mindfreak

• Imagine TALON with a full Thai roster with Crws on the coaching role providing guidance to younger players. If they could somehow keep Frost as HC but have Crws as the stage coach interpreting comms what would that look like? I'm sure these orgs consider it but as an outsider all I can do is sit and speculate what ifs. They may have trialed it, who knows, I just know I haven't seen it on stage and the team still looks shaky.

kaesra [#23]

you gotta understand that orgs are still a business; the fanbase keeps the money coming in - if i try and go international and fail to succeed i lose my team identity and fanbase its not a risk worth taking if im an org owner imo ! look at estrella today i dont think he played bad but the indonesian fans were really trying to get him cut after that loss

I think fans gotta learn to give some leeway to the orgs
having only 1 or 2 indo players doesn't make them any less of an indonesian org

it just goes back to this:

it's absolutely fine if you want that, but then you shouldn't demand results imo.

aburnie [#25]

The Korean teams have Korean rosters so there is no reason why it shouldn't work. I think a reshuffling is long overdue and some serious superteams should be made. T1 struggled last year with an international roster despite having talents yet look at them now.

• Imagine an Indonesian team that could perhaps poach Forsaken and Mindfreak

• Imagine TALON with a full Thai roster with Crws on the coaching role providing guidance to younger players. If they could somehow keep Frost as HC but have Crws as the stage coach interpreting comms what would that look like? I'm sure these orgs consider it but as an outsider all I can do is sit and speculate what ifs. They may have trialed it, who knows, I just know I haven't seen it on stage and the team still looks shaky.

don’t a lot of thai and indo orgs lock their players into insane contract jails? if i remember correctly, that’s why it took so long for kush to join rrq and i could see why these franchising orgs would go international instead