"They have a sub"

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EverSince333

Playing with a sub does make you worse but if you're getting eliminated last placed then you have just as much issues with your starts/comps/map selections as your player VISAs.

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i'd say they are still much better than ZETA.

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EverSince333

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It doesn't take a lot to be better than ZETA.

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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No shit bro, Johnta's not in korea, carlao had to work with XQQ , recipe for disaster

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SugarDaddyo

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at this point, ZETA is just a ranked team cosplaying as a pro team

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Biostar

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Zeta players are famous for not play ranked games(especially dep). Well, at least they're just a 'team'.

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Notbaka

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Juvenile making ass strats

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EverSince333

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"Give me 5 aimers and I will teach them the rest"

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RandomToastyy

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GE are bad but it's not like they got completely destroyed, DFM also had very good games from individuals

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EverSince333

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Struggling against DFM in a tournament where the top 2 out of 12 qualifies for Masters isn't a good look no matter how you look at it.

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RandomToastyy

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I don't think DFM are that bad if they play like how they did in offseason

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Unfortunately, them struggling in Apac makes them worst bottom 3 vct teams

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Microsoft_Alex

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You gotta Remember that, every team in VCT has its own strength which ultimately makes them win atleast one match, just because ZETA got eliminated without a win doesn't mean their ass. Its still January, you never know what will happen rest of the year, take example TS they were good last year. At the moment wait just wait.

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ge trolled with lotus comp against talon.

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GuGengKwaMueng

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It not troll comp, if you cannot defense with this 3 sen comp then you lost, and they couldn't and still lost pistol too

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Its a troll comp, having no duelist on a attack sided map with tiny chokes except for A site is criminal

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Garry711

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that is what troll comp mean no? they kept losing on defense with 3 sen. and what was their plan on attack, they looked like headless chicken

#20

GuGengKwaMueng

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I only saw GE coach explain this plan on X and they overcooked

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that's pretty fair, to a certain it takes a teams aim to be able to win but you don't know that they propably had some strats planned around PatrickWHO but threw it away when he got visa issues and adlibbed on Deryeon. I'm impressed they made this far compared , better than team shitcret with a team from last year

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yeah they play neon

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Bluelive

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the dude who played Neon has visa issues vro.

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asura_sleep

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i mean yeah this is not their playstyle since they usually use neon

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avenger50000

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Lev succeeded because of Itopata, not Juv0nile.

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LoserIN

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GE with full roster probably beat DFM, Talon, secret, RRQ, zeta.

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keyword: probably