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Primmie roles

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#1
BabyWizard

I love how Talon has a player with the potential to be the best ITW, and they are making damn sure that he cannot shine

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GuGengKwaMueng
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G0v,the secret adopted son of Frost, need to shine first

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HIMNOTHER
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they let primmie choose role by himself and people still crying and blaming other guys. just blame primmie he doesn't has a ball

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Galactc
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Good aim doesn't equal good duelist primmie could not play anything but jett or entry his roles are fine they should replace governor with someone new

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BabyWizard
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Thats just not true

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Galactc
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Players like less and leaf have better aim than most people yet are great sentinels players like loe trexx and sayf (when he wasn't igling) have great aim also on non duelist roles duelist isn't about dropping 30 every game it's about making space for your team and primmie definitely doesn't do that

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BabyWizard
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Counterpoint: oxy, meiy etc. I'd rather see him learn to be a better entry than having to focus on util so governor can get any kills at all. Im not the coach tho.

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n1cf
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just a shit player

#9
BabyWizard
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How dare you grrrr🤬🤬🤬

#27
z12
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thank god he isnt paycheck stealing while on a good team

#10
Azzelastia
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Farming tik tok clips

#11
AK3
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i heard he prefers his roles just like Woot for TH, both are insane but prefers off duelist role, god I miss Woot duelist from Master shanghai,,,,

#12
BabyWizard
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Thats fair, but putting him on tejo is not the play

#13
idkbro
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not a good duelist, doesnt have the potential to be the best itw but he is still really talented, he just gets overhyped because apac doesnt produce talents like this very often

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BabyWizard
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Yeah i know he gets overhyped but denying his potential is crazy

#15
idkbro
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denying what? I said he is really talented but its delusional to think he will ever be the best itw

#17
BabyWizard
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and why's that?

#18
idkbro
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I could explain but I dont have the energy for it rn but its also pretty obvious if u have deep understanding of the game mechanics (he is still really really really good tho)

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BabyWizard
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ah yes im sure you, especially YOU know these hidden game mechanics. No one else knows them, ONLY YOU. Such a genius, wish I could one day be like you.

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idkbro
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u could ask any non biased pro and they would prob say the same, most wont say it in public but I think the only way one can expect him to be the best itw (specially as a duelist) is if u have a drinking problem

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BabyWizard
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you baited me this far, so fine - I'll just say I'm not expecting him to be the best, and most definitely not immediately. He just has the mechanics to be the best

#25
idkbro
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delusional lmfao

#16
Eyck
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Texture? Monyet? Forsaken? Karon? Kushy? Buzz? Udotan? Meteor? Meiy?

#21
idkbro
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all either korean, mid or players that have been around for years like forsaken/buzz, should have worded it differently, not APAC but rather SEA, just look at the number of talents around or better than primmie that emea has produced last two years for example while SEA can only produce one special player, thats why he gets overhyped

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Eyck
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EMEA XD, nice bait. Was fun talking to you. Bye.

#24
idkbro
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u only watch apac or what? 0 talent in APAC outside of Korea, China and PRX, u guys are so shit u need to list players that broke through 4 years ago and "Monyet"

#26
yossyoss
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_S12nqVyDM

''Primmie doesn't want to play duelist''

#28
BabyWizard
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Bro they put him on tejo

#29
Sephirothz
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he said he wanted to play himself

#30
midzera
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If it's true what frost said that Primmie wants to play as many agents rather than duelist, I think that's leaning into an issue of what f0rsaken was going through last season. You can be mechanically one of the best players, but at the highest level, you need to adopt a playstyle that can cover a good portion of the maps to have the best consistency. You will end up confusing yourself on how to play if you are playing Breach one map and then Clove the next. There's a reason why the best teams have solidified roles and archetypal playstyles that fit their strengths. It avoid stress on memorising how to play.

Primmie was frying on duelist, Clove and Sage. He literally was playing the best when he engaged in gunfights rather than holding site. And it's honestly down to his knack for being such a great peeker. Lumping him with an operator or making him play passive is not getting the best out of him. He was dominating as Clove on Lotus because he could take those gunfights. He made Leviatan look like a joke as Battle Sage until he was given the operator and told to hold main.

This does come to an argument of whether you nurture what the player wants to make them happy or you use your better judgment as a coach to tell them how they can lean into their strengths so they can enjoy the game as well as the fruits of victory.

On top of all of this, I think Talon missed a good opportunity to make roster changes. To me, Governor is not as high level as I want him to be. He has his moments, but if Primmie can do the job better, you would want someone like CGRS who can play Sova very well to set him up. Ban is very inconsistent and has a bad tendency to overextend as a sentinel. His peak as a sentinel is quite high, but I would rather have Laz (from MiTH) who can both call and play the role in a sharp way. And Crws has shown to be a good caller - maybe comming in two languages is creating some slowness in the decisions or misplays, but I think I would rather a new IGL who can challenge tactical teams like Laz did in the off-season and then have a fragging flash initiator like Killua support.

That last paragraph was a tangent, but I just believe if Talon went full-Thai, it would make their comms a little easier and perhaps give stability to the initiator and sentinel roles.

#31
gutterslugs
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bro can say no wrong

#32
GuGengKwaMueng
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What a comment bro.... I thought you use AI at first sight

#33
midzera
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Lmao, I tend to waffle a lot, but I enjoy theorycrafting how teams could have panned out. But thanks for the compliment!

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BabyWizard
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Wow thank you for the paragraph i agree :3

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