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#14
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Yup, I did question myself a lot about putting Gekko in vision, but since team use him a lot like that, I decided to consider him as a vision (Played in 1011 games as solovision, played in 589 games as a solo vision T1 + T2 combined in Split 2 only)

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What comps on icebox were run then without flash? Gekko/kayo was very popular

#16
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Best exemple is Jett/Sage/Sova/Kjoy/Vipr
Was the meta comp for a long time

#17
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Then sometimes a harbour for the sage nowadays. Still, I think it's the attack sided nature that makes it unnecessary to run flashes and instead it's beneficial to run other agents like sage/harbour for planting

#18
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Ascent is the most defense favor map, and the 3rd map in term of non-flasher in Pickrate 7%, 56% NMWR

#19
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Ascent is also the map with the highest picked comp ever. Any comp that brings something different will have an effect simply because it's different. We've seen multiple times other comps tried (Loud 2024) and deadlock, to name a few, but they never find much value past the first few games, giving them an inflated win rate because once they get figured out they stop playing them.

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What ? Ascent is the most stale meta we hs ever saw...

#22
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I would be correct in assuming the non-flash pick rate is from deadlock, right? Teams have tried it out to some success, but what after a few games it begins to get counter-strated easily. The only team that I could say had longevity with this comp was Lev, which doesn't show success as a no flash archetype. These comps have a high winrate initially because of the surprise factor, but once they get figured out they stop using them, leaving them with a high winrate even if the comp didn't last.

#23
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Basically half is deadlock, quarter is Iso, quarter is Harbor.

Anyway, ASent stay top 3 of no flashor maps ^^

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