the yearly pre-masters 1 cope is coming around since emea has never won the first international masters </3
incoming "they had more prac than us" "fluke" "qualifiers too short"
emea still has contenders too, but the inferiority complex is so staggering that even when you have favorites to win like gm8 heretics kc, you have emea fans pre-coping incase of loss
Galactc [#3]I'm pretty sure lockin is a masters also if it doesn't count how come na always win it and then never do anything else for the rest of the year
as opposed to emea who never win it and also never do anything else for the rest of the year like 2024
Galactc [#3]I'm pretty sure lockin is a masters also if it doesn't count how come na always win it and then never do anything else for the rest of the year
lock in is NOT a masters lil bro, does it say masters sao paulo??? istg
it's a different event
gamergirl [#4]as opposed to emea who never win it and also never do anything else for the rest of the year like 2024
That was just one year and valorant has not existed for long enough to make conclusions in general if I'm honest
Galactc [#6]That was just one year and valorant has not existed for long enough to make conclusions in general if I'm honest
idek wym tho bc americas has more champs wins than emea too
gamergirl [#7]idek wym tho bc americas has more champs wins than emea too
Americas and again only 1 more win out of the 4 years val has existed also the best team of the year seems to never win champs for some reason at least in my opinion
Galactc [#3]I'm pretty sure lockin is a masters also if it doesn't count how come na always win it and then never do anything else for the rest of the year
You are wrong and a retard.
Galactc [#9]Americas and again only 1 more win out of the 4 years val has existed also the best team of the year seems to never win champs for some reason at least in my opinion
EG won Champs :)
cloudberry [#8]Your logic is flawed. If LOCK//IN wasn't a Masters, then Tokyo would be the first Masters of the year, but FNATIC also won that anyway
yes, 2023 had only one masters event which fnatic won, sao paulo was not a masters by definition and it wasn't an event where teams had to qualify on merit, its not a fluke or anything which some people say, but its NOT A MASTERS
you are correct though
gamergirl [#7]idek wym tho bc americas has more champs wins than emea too
americas is 2 whole different independent scenes with their own massive talent pools combined in to 1 league,obviously the americas league will be more competitive,nobody was unironically saying "americas has more trophies than emea" as a argument pre franchising and absolutely nothing has changed expect that the 2 regions are now combined for convenience
and money lol
1243 [#12]yes, 2023 had only one masters event which fnatic won, sao paulo was not a masters by definition and it wasn't an event where teams had to qualify on merit, its not a fluke or anything which some people say, but its NOT A MASTERS
you are correct though
You're fighting your demons, man. I'm not arguing whether or not it IS a Masters event or not; I'm saying that it quite literally does not matter for this argument
cloudberry [#8]Your logic is flawed. If LOCK//IN wasn't a Masters, then Tokyo would be the first Masters of the year, but FNATIC also won that anyway
sadly 2023 had no first masters just a showcase event for franchising then the event that is equivalent to masters 2 and champions
cloudberry [#14]You're fighting your demons, man. I'm not arguing whether or not it IS a Masters event or not; I'm saying that it quite literally does not matter for this argument
yes, i said you're correct. it's just a lot of people think lock in = masters which is just wrong
Galactc [#9]Americas and again only 1 more win out of the 4 years val has existed also the best team of the year seems to never win champs for some reason at least in my opinion
2 more but my point about it being too early for comparisons still stands
Galactc [#9]Americas and again only 1 more win out of the 4 years val has existed also the best team of the year seems to never win champs for some reason at least in my opinion
they don’t win champs because they’re either burnt out and/or other teams are more prepared
Aayan [#15]why must we always discredit each others achievements
https://www.vlr.gg/432764/1st-masters
wrong thread lil bro
gamergirl [#16]sadly 2023 had no first masters just a showcase event for franchising then the event that is equivalent to masters 2 and champions
IF there's only one Masters event in the year it's not gonna be thought of Masters 2, it's gonna be Masters 1. Please try a different bait gimmick, this one's very tedious to argue
gamergirl [#20]https://www.vlr.gg/432764/1st-masters
wrong thread lil bro
it applies here too, seeing the comments
I've already gone over this so I'll keep it brief
yeah, LOCK//IN isn't technically a masters event if you only look at the marketing
but single elim + being an invitational isn't enough to make it worth less than a masters
Aayan [#22]it applies here too, seeing the comments
I've already gone over this so I'll keep it brief
yeah, LOCK//IN isn't technically a masters event if you only look at the marketing
but single elim + being an invitational isn't enough to make it worth less than a masters
im not discrediting anyones win lol im asking why is there already pre-cope, it doesnt apply sadly go find another troll
cloudberry [#21]IF there's only one Masters event in the year it's not gonna be thought of Masters 2, it's gonna be Masters 1. Please try a different bait gimmick, this one's very tedious to argue
masters 1 is the april/march event, idk why i have to explain this to a retard but alguds
cloudberry [#21]IF there's only one Masters event in the year it's not gonna be thought of Masters 2, it's gonna be Masters 1. Please try a different bait gimmick, this one's very tedious to argue
+cope
aaaa420 [#13]americas is 2 whole different independent scenes with their own massive talent pools combined in to 1 league,obviously the americas league will be more competitive,nobody was unironically saying "americas has more trophies than emea" as a argument pre franchising and absolutely nothing has changed expect that the 2 regions are now combined for convenience
and money lol
tiny little emea: https://www.vlr.gg/vcl-2024/?region=171
massive americas: https://www.vlr.gg/vcl-2024/?region=174
emea has a larger playerbase, spans three continents, has more countries, more teams, 10x the tier 2 scene but somehow this cope is believable lmfaoooo
gamergirl [#26]tiny little emea: https://www.vlr.gg/vcl-2024/?region=171
massive americas: https://www.vlr.gg/vcl-2024/?region=174
emea has a larger playerbase, spans three continents, has more countries, more teams, 10x the tier 2 scene but somehow this cope is believable lmfaoooo
i dont wanna argue about this same shit for the 100th time on here,obviously emea has a larger playerbase with 2x the americas population,how come americans say "we dont care about soccer" but u have 14m soccer players yet suck compared to the other sports u play,most americans would use the exact same "cope" that its because basketball and american football suck all the talent and it doesnt have the same pull for competition and culture,well thats the case with most of eu but replace american football and basketball with cs
aaaa420 [#27]i dont wanna argue about this same shit for the 100th time on here,obviously emea has a larger playerbase with 2x the americas population,how come americans say "we dont care about soccer" but u have 14m soccer players yet suck compared to the other sports u play,most americans would use the exact same "cope" that its because basketball and american football suck all the talent and it doesnt have the same pull for competition and culture,well thats the case with most of eu but replace american football and basketball with cs
its not because basketball and football is bigger, its because going pro in the us means nothing for soccer, whereas in valorant the difference between emea and americas in valorant isnt there, infact emea has better t2
just loud and wrong, emea is the objectively richer t2, bigger region, more teams, more players
the cs argument is cool if you dont understand that americas just has less gamers
gamergirl [#28]its not because basketball and football is bigger, its because going pro in the us means nothing for soccer, whereas in valorant the difference between emea and americas in valorant isnt there, infact emea has better t2
just loud and wrong, emea is the objectively richer t2, bigger region, more teams, more players
the cs argument is cool if you dont understand that americas just has less gamers
lol but my point still stands,do u think that america would still be bad soccer if it overtook american football as the most popular sport,and "emea" isnt a unified country with the same interest like the us,only a handful of countries have any sort of national interest for this game at all over cs,a competitive scene locally and interest in the game is more important in developing talent than just a lot of players,why do u think some random countries like denmark are so dominant in cs despite having less people than a regular us city,US had the biggest cs playerbase by a single country like 7 years ago btw so idk what ur saying about "less gamers"
aaaa420 [#29]lol but my point still stands,do u think that america would still be bad soccer if it overtook american football as the most popular sport,and "emea" isnt a unified country with the same interest like the us,only a handful of countries have any sort of national interest for this game at all over cs,a competitive scene locally and interest in the game is more important in developing talent than just a lot of players,why do u think some random countries like denmark are so dominant in cs despite having less people than a regular us city,US had the biggest cs playerbase by a single country like 7 years ago btw so idk what ur saying about "less gamers"
people gotta learn to admit when they're wrong lol
emea is objectively a bigger region in every aspect, yet has less champions wins. that is inarguable, and you're a retard trying to justify it with weird Comparisions to other sports lol, there is 9.4 million youth football players in europe compared to 5 million in all of concaf, so wrong again
just idiocy fishing for upvotes, it wont make what you say true lmfao
all of europe alone has a population of 800 million, then you add MENA lmfaooooooo
gamergirl [#31]people gotta learn to admit when they're wrong lol
emea is objectively a bigger region in every aspect, yet has less champions wins. that is inarguable, and you're a retard trying to justify it with weird Comparisions to other sports lol, there is 9.4 million youth football players in europe compared to 5 million in all of concaf, so wrong again
just idiocy fishing for upvotes, it wont make what you say true lmfao
all of europe alone has a population of 800 million, then you add MENA lmfaooooooo
theres nothing weird about the comparisons i made its literally the easiest way to explain the difference using mainstream logic even most americans use when talking about soccer,now ur talking about "youth football" in europe vs concacaf comparing it to a video game anyone can play and count as a "active player"
gamergirl [#26]tiny little emea: https://www.vlr.gg/vcl-2024/?region=171
massive americas: https://www.vlr.gg/vcl-2024/?region=174
emea has a larger playerbase, spans three continents, has more countries, more teams, 10x the tier 2 scene but somehow this cope is believable lmfaoooo
No cis league=EU bots can't win shit on their own. If there was a cis league americas would have 0 trophies
aaaa420 [#32]theres nothing weird about the comparisons i made its literally the easiest way to explain the difference using mainstream logic even most americans use when talking about soccer,now ur talking about "youth football" in europe vs concacaf comparing it to a video game anyone can play and count as a "active player"
why are you this retarded emea has 10x more pros than americas lmfaoooo the brain damage is insane
gamergirl [#34]why are you this retarded emea has 10x more pros than americas lmfaoooo the brain damage is insane
what does being a "pro" mean,anyone who has a brain and can reach immortal 3 can be a "pro" at some level lol,doesnt mean shit in a "esport" were talking about what makes a scene competitive and produces the best talent and u keep going back to numbers when i have demonstrated with a million ways that numbers is not what makes a scene competitive alone,hence why the US Used to have more cs players than russia and couldnt do shit
aaaa420 [#35]what does being a "pro" mean,anyone who has a brain and can reach immortal 3 can be a "pro" at some level lol,doesnt mean shit in a "esport" were talking about what makes a scene competitive and produces the best talent and u keep going back to numbers when i have demonstrated with a million ways that numbers is not what makes a scene competitive alone,hence why the US Used to have more cs players than russia and couldnt do shit
the portuguese league alone has 40 pros lmfaooooo
gamergirl [#36]the portuguese league alone has 40 pros lmfaooooo
and they probably cant even crack 500 viewers for their grand finals lmao,do u not see what im trying to say,more people playing in a way bigger region doesn't mean more popular in a competitive sense or passion for the game,this is a niche 2nd option game to cs for most of europe,while in most other regions this is all they have
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