I honestly dont understand the n4rrate and johnqt role switch. n4rrate is doing well but johnqt is looking kinda lost on initiator
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teilwal [#2]“Looking lost” 0 ball knowledge fam
compared to last year he looked a lot better playing sentinel, stats cant deny that. never said he is sens problem but I don't understand why he would switch from a role where he was much better on
DevoidDecoy [#5]compared to last year he looked a lot better playing sentinel, stats cant deny that. never said he is sens problem but I don't understand why he would switch from a role where he was much better on
we really using stats to say if someone looks lost, what happened to the game i love
teilwal [#6]we really using stats to say if someone looks lost, what happened to the game i love
"looking lost" = not getting 20 every game apparently
teilwal [#6]we really using stats to say if someone looks lost, what happened to the game i love
i said his stats were better and he looked more confident playing sentinel. i never said stats is why he looks lost.
alkdfghadflgah [#4]i mean they definitely tested it in scrims and found role switching works better. my guess is that because they dont have someone like sacy anymore, johnqt probably wants to be with the pack more and give more freedom to narrate to take his own timings.
john also used to play scan ini on m80 + igling is easier on ini, we saw nrg try this in the 23 season it just didnt work out because the roster was shti
alkdfghadflgah [#4]i mean they definitely tested it in scrims and found role switching works better. my guess is that because they dont have someone like sacy anymore, johnqt probably wants to be with the pack more and give more freedom to narrate to take his own timings.
yeah youre right. without sacy's insane utility johnqt probably wants to rely on his own decisions and util for executes.
valkin [#10]john also used to play scan ini on m80 + igling is easier on ini, we saw nrg try this in the 23 season it just didnt work out because the roster was shti
i thought he flexed either 2nd controller or 2nd flash init bc eeiu was the scans player, but yea its not like he has zero experience.
DevoidDecoy [#12]yeah youre right. without sacy's insane utility johnqt probably wants to rely on his own decisions and util for executes.
its not just util because narrate is definitely a good init player that understands util timings, so i think its mostly midrounding: calling cancels or hits/splits, etc.
valkin [#10]john also used to play scan ini on m80 + igling is easier on ini, we saw nrg try this in the 23 season it just didnt work out because the roster was shti
igl isn't easier on ini tho
John wants to be on ini so he can make decisions more reactively, unlike before when sacy could handle it. His personal stats are going to be worse because initiators are a lot more selfless than sentinels, and get less opportunities for 1v1 and use their util to set up teammates more so than themselves.
valkin [#18]this is factually wrong lmao
some truth to it, I would def say igling isn't easier on a recon initiator fine on flash thou
MrBlooBloom [#16]igl isn't easier on ini tho
the best roles to igl is smoker and initiator because ur actually with the team
if ur a sentinel/lurker then you're isolated and cant really control the tempo on attack and you need to focus more on gaps and lurk timings rather than comming
Semen-1 [#19]some truth to it, I would def say igling isn't easier on a recon initiator fine on flash thou
calling on ini with the team > lurking and looking at the minimap not being able to help
Obelisk [#11]mainly its to improve IGLing seeing that you are in the fighting with your team making calls easier
when you play sentinel you kind of have to lurk making the IGLing a bit harder cause you aren't actually there
also lurking as an igl is hard because you can lose your focus while comming and looking at the map and then you die to a timing because you weren't paying attention on whats in front
it makes so much sense to have narrate lurk
armadmeister1 [#20]the best roles to igl is smoker and initiator because ur actually with the team
if ur a sentinel/lurker then you're isolated and cant really control the tempo on attack and you need to focus more on gaps and lurk timings rather than comming
yeah and typically on a sentinel theres never really a time when you can call a setup with utility for your team, on an init or controller if you want something to happen there isn't a delay from calling it all out to your initiator and then to your duelist as well. Just an easier flow unless you have someone like sacy/zellsis taking part in the midrounding as well
WhoseTao [#17]John wants to be on ini so he can make decisions more reactively, unlike before when sacy could handle it. His personal stats are going to be worse because initiators are a lot more selfless than sentinels, and get less opportunities for 1v1 and use their util to set up teammates more so than themselves.
but now narrate has to sit back 75% of the round and hold a site dontu see the problem narrate can frag if he gets contact first its easily a 4v5 where as if john picks first duels its a 5 v 4
ArterieX [#24]but now narrate has to sit back 75% of the round and hold a site dontu see the problem narrate can frag if he gets contact first its easily a 4v5 where as if john picks first duels its a 5 v 4
narrate still frag while holding down site, he is the person with the highest potential on SEN to out aim others and completely hold down site. Narrate is similar to leaf being on Sentinel role. two fraggers that can out duel others and lurk.
ArterieX [#24]but now narrate has to sit back 75% of the round and hold a site dontu see the problem narrate can frag if he gets contact first its easily a 4v5 where as if john picks first duels its a 5 v 4
modern sentinel meta is aggressive sentinels, every sentinel plays very aggressively, even G2 dropped their passive sentinel and chose to have leaf to switch to sentinel than get another sentinel; narrate will take fights.
WhoseTao [#26]modern sentinel meta is aggressive sentinels, every sentinel plays very aggressively, even G2 dropped their passive sentinel and chose to have leaf to switch to sentinel than get another sentinel; narrate will take fights.
it that is the plan it should be fine
valkin [#21]calling on ini with the team > lurking and looking at the minimap not being able to help
cypher is the best agent to igl with, at least on defense
Hyopic [#23]yeah and typically on a sentinel theres never really a time when you can call a setup with utility for your team, on an init or controller if you want something to happen there isn't a delay from calling it all out to your initiator and then to your duelist as well. Just an easier flow unless you have someone like sacy/zellsis taking part in the midrounding as well
every team have a secondary caller so...
valkin [#18]this is factually wrong lmao
btw just look at the roles of the best IGLs, boostio plays mostly snti, johnqt as well, FNS too. Valyn plays tons of omen, boaster is an astra main. IGL are often ini but it doesn't mean it's the best role to igl, even tho it has a big advantage, it also implies huge weaknesses
MrBlooBloom [#31]btw just look at the roles of the best IGLs, boostio plays mostly snti, johnqt as well, FNS too. Valyn plays tons of omen, boaster is an astra main. IGL are often ini but it doesn't mean it's the best role to igl, even tho it has a big advantage, it also implies huge weaknesses
why do you think boo swapped to ini at the end of the year? do you think its just because he felt like it or because theres a advantage?
MrBlooBloom [#30]every team have a secondary caller so...
You can agree that there are more vocal midrounders that are not igls though no? NRG had “secondary callers” with crashies and Victor but clearly that didn’t work. You can even see now that even FNS, a player that is the example for the sentinel IGL, prefers a more initiator oriented character pool
Hyopic [#33]You can agree that there are more vocal midrounders that are not igls though no? NRG had “secondary callers” with crashies and Victor but clearly that didn’t work. You can even see now that even FNS, a player that is the example for the sentinel IGL, prefers a more initiator oriented character pool
I mean taking 2024 nrg as an example isn't necessarily a fair point, but FNS picking ini doesn't dismiss my point tho, he had great success on sentinel, as did a lot of recent IGLs. I'm not denying that ini IGL makes sense, just saying that I consider cypher to be theorically the best agent to IGL with. Maybe I souldn't have said senti in general cuz vyse and deadlock are quite different from what we were used to w cypher and kiljoy and are played very differently but anyway. *+at first I was just saying that igl isn't easier on ini but doesn't change much to my opinion
valkin [#32]why do you think boo swapped to ini at the end of the year? do you think its just because he felt like it or because theres a advantage?
He didn't tho?
valkin [#36]
playing fade on the same one map for the entirety of champs isn't really what I'd call switching to ini tbh. +you've got no clue if it's not just bc woot was more comfortable on omen rather than IGLing-conveniency related
MrBlooBloom [#37]playing fade on the same one map for the entirety of champs isn't really what I'd call switching to ini tbh. +you've got no clue if it's not just bc woot was more comfortable on omen rather than IGLing-conveniency related
yea i thought he switched onto other maps but its definitely a sign no???
valkin [#38]yea i thought he switched onto other maps but its definitely a sign no???
not necessarily no. I never said that ini IGL was bad so...
MrBlooBloom [#34]I mean taking 2024 nrg as an example isn't necessarily a fair point, but FNS picking ini doesn't dismiss my point tho, he had great success on sentinel, as did a lot of recent IGLs. I'm not denying that ini IGL makes sense, just saying that I consider cypher to be theorically the best agent to IGL with. Maybe I souldn't have said senti in general cuz vyse and deadlock are quite different from what we were used to w cypher and kiljoy and are played very differently but anyway. *+at first I was just saying that igl isn't easier on ini but doesn't change much to my opinion
I mean fair enough, but I think the fact that there are (I believe) only 3 sentinel igls in the league currently and the majority of trophy winning igls are intiators, idk I just think saying his igling will be worse if he full switches to initiator isn't right
Hyopic [#42]I mean fair enough, but I think the fact that there are (I believe) only 3 sentinel igls in the league currently and the majority of trophy winning igls are intiators, idk I just think saying his igling will be worse if he full switches to initiator isn't right
For the first pirt yeah that's ppb right, i'd just want to add that I consider IGLs like boaster as a sudo sentinel as he plays mostly astra and smokes only in the same way that he could play sentinel. But ultimately there's been too few examples to make a general judgment. Concerning Johnqt I have no clue wether it'll make his IGLing better or not, I know he has at least a very solid Fade, what seems to be a quite good breach and for the rest we'll see later, but if they chose to do so it means it should work well that way
MrBlooBloom [#43]For the first pirt yeah that's ppb right, i'd just want to add that I consider IGLs like boaster as a sudo sentinel as he plays mostly astra and smokes only in the same way that he could play sentinel. But ultimately there's been too few examples to make a general judgment. Concerning Johnqt I have no clue wether it'll make his IGLing better or not, I know he has at least a very solid Fade, what seems to be a quite good breach and for the rest we'll see later, but if they chose to do so it means it should work well that way
+N4rrate seems to be a very very good senti, like potentially a meteor tier sentinel
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