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#1
Yuh_aye

Improves the most?

SEN: Zellsis gets Aleksandar mechanics

NRG : FNS gets Screwface mechanics

G2 : Trent gets Geeza mechanics

Bonus Question : How would the 2024 season have unfolded?

And yes I know Screwface's mechanics aren't particularly exceptional, if FNS was tapping heads like oxy he'd be the best player of the world by far

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Fns with screwface. Fns has a .8 k/d playing against high immortals, even with how smart he is.

I think redgar can get a 1.0 k/d in 2024 high immortal (not sure on that)

There’s bad aimers and then fns is a tier or two below them aim wise

Edit: it’s actually like .90 now, but even then redgar can get 1.0

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Froggy0_0
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redgar plays good when he isnt the only igl
back in gambit - nats and chronicle used to call alot

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BUFF163
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The problem with NRG wasn't FNS's aim, it was his IGLing

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Yuh_aye
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Nah

NRG with FNS (and S0m) were night and day better than the original superteam roster, even with like 1 week of practice.

I don't think anybody seriously questions his ability to call

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The original superteam roster didn’t blow a 12-5 lead, did they?

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zmjjkkkkkkk
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the original team won’t even get 12

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nobody___100
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the original team didn't even get 12 rounds against the same lev that lost to c9 just a couple weeks before

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The original superteam had more time together

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wtf is this, fns with oxys mechanics will be the best player itw? how do you know that you don't know anything about his igling, not how he comms or what his thinking process is like, have you played under him? you don't know how he igls, a good igl won't lose a 12-5 lead

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also I don't think you realise zellsis has good mechanics, you just see the extremes and guess, the problem isn't his aim

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fns with oxys mechanics will be the best player itw?

You're seriously underestimating fns's calling and oxy's mechanics. Most t1 duelists aren't on oxy's level mechanically. Put both together and you have the best overall player in the world.

zellsis has good mechanics

I agree he's no slouch, but he obviously doesn't have Aleksandar mechanics, even if he is a much better player.

a good igl won't lose a 12-5 lead

Did you actually watch the game and see how they got to 12? or just remember that they lost and parrot that non-stop? or consider that they had like 1 week practice?

And getting 12 rounds is better than some of what was going on before : https://www.vlr.gg/314637/nrg-esports-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w3

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facts, and to add on to your point, this is the goked iteration of LEV which lost to the same c9.

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i think I watched the vod for the c9 game, but yeah I don't doubt fns as a smart player, but there are many smarter players in tier1 than fns, which is undoubtedly true.
i think there are players who are smarter than fns and have oxy level mechanics already, one example is riens, other is zekken, meteor is another, they are as smart as fns if not smarter, and imo have better mechanics than oxy, riens is the best player in emea right now, he has carried team heretics.
and mind you the players I just listed are top 5 in the world currently (meteor maybe top 8).

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Name the 'many' players you think can put Saadhak on the verge of tears because of their calling/IGLing

We're not talking about overall game intelligence, we're talking about IGLing. Riens isn't IGLing

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FNS is on an elite level IGL'ing, you mix that with Oxy level mechanics or near, and that's the best player in the world. Its that simple

And notice that the players you mentioned above OXY are the cream of the crop in valorant right now, so that's elite company to be with, reinforcing my point. (Imagine if any of those guys were doing that while IGLing)

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igling probably valyn and johnqt, also you said best PLAYER itw not the best player who is also an igl.

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also if you meant igls, then probably fns with oxy mechanics is the best itw, but it's very close, johnqt and valyn are very good mechanically do not underestimate them, infact valyn is the best player on g2 mechanics wise and game sense wise

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Disagree, Oxy is alot better mechanically than both of them (not saying they're slouches either). And Leaf is (was) their best player mechanics wise (now jawgemo).

I actually consider Valyn the best IGL in the world currently on a pure individual level

But our hypothetical FNS/OXY combo is both a decently better caller and shooter

For reference, Oxy mopping the floor with KangKang this morning: https://tracker.gg/valorant/match/e3520968-a493-4179-90e8-8d5f19cb03c9

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well, you might underestimating valyn and johnqt or i might be underestimating oxy. but I think you are wrong with the leaf and jawgemo, valyn is criminally underrated and unless jawgemo become consistent, valyn will be their best player. ranked doesn't matter, johnqt and valyn are much closer to oxy than you think.

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you didn't say best player, you said best mechanically:

infact valyn is the best player on g2 mechanics wise

I actually agree he's g2's best player, but he's not G2's best player mechanically. Leaf and now Jawgemo have better mechanics

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Also Oxy has previously smoked KangKang in a LAN a while back, before he even played an official match

https://youtu.be/C-HbvpS1nlo?si=RmiLthhEwv0qwiuB

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also I don't think the 'superteam' nrg was better than the later nrg, im inclined to believe they both were atleast equal to each other

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koi

#18
Yuh_aye
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KOI winning all three events without dropping a map

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bro hasn't seen prime guard trent in 2022 if you think he doesn't have good mechanics already, mf is slumping massively but doesn't mean his mechanics are ass

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