Improves the most?
SEN: Zellsis gets Aleksandar mechanics
NRG : FNS gets Screwface mechanics
G2 : Trent gets Geeza mechanics
Bonus Question : How would the 2024 season have unfolded?
And yes I know Screwface's mechanics aren't particularly exceptional, if FNS was tapping heads like oxy he'd be the best player of the world by far
Fns with screwface. Fns has a .8 k/d playing against high immortals, even with how smart he is.
I think redgar can get a 1.0 k/d in 2024 high immortal (not sure on that)
There’s bad aimers and then fns is a tier or two below them aim wise
Edit: it’s actually like .90 now, but even then redgar can get 1.0
BUFF163 [#3]The problem with NRG wasn't FNS's aim, it was his IGLing
Nah
NRG with FNS (and S0m) were night and day better than the original superteam roster, even with like 1 week of practice.
I don't think anybody seriously questions his ability to call
Yuh_aye [#4]Nah
NRG with FNS (and S0m) were night and day better than the original superteam roster, even with like 1 week of practice.
I don't think anybody seriously questions his ability to call
The original superteam roster didn’t blow a 12-5 lead, did they?
1243 [#6]wtf is this, fns with oxys mechanics will be the best player itw? how do you know that you don't know anything about his igling, not how he comms or what his thinking process is like, have you played under him? you don't know how he igls, a good igl won't lose a 12-5 lead
also I don't think you realise zellsis has good mechanics, you just see the extremes and guess, the problem isn't his aim
1243 [#7]also I don't think you realise zellsis has good mechanics, you just see the extremes and guess, the problem isn't his aim
fns with oxys mechanics will be the best player itw?
You're seriously underestimating fns's calling and oxy's mechanics. Most t1 duelists aren't on oxy's level mechanically. Put both together and you have the best overall player in the world.
zellsis has good mechanics
I agree he's no slouch, but he obviously doesn't have Aleksandar mechanics, even if he is a much better player.
a good igl won't lose a 12-5 lead
Did you actually watch the game and see how they got to 12? or just remember that they lost and parrot that non-stop? or consider that they had like 1 week practice?
And getting 12 rounds is better than some of what was going on before : https://www.vlr.gg/314637/nrg-esports-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w3
BUFF163 [#5]The original superteam roster didn’t blow a 12-5 lead, did they?
the original team won’t even get 12
Yuh_aye [#8]fns with oxys mechanics will be the best player itw?
You're seriously underestimating fns's calling and oxy's mechanics. Most t1 duelists aren't on oxy's level mechanically. Put both together and you have the best overall player in the world.
zellsis has good mechanics
I agree he's no slouch, but he obviously doesn't have Aleksandar mechanics, even if he is a much better player.
a good igl won't lose a 12-5 lead
Did you actually watch the game and see how they got to 12? or just remember that they lost and parrot that non-stop? or consider that they had like 1 week practice?
And getting 12 rounds is better than some of what was going on before : https://www.vlr.gg/314637/nrg-esports-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w3
facts, and to add on to your point, this is the goked iteration of LEV which lost to the same c9.
BUFF163 [#5]The original superteam roster didn’t blow a 12-5 lead, did they?
the original team didn't even get 12 rounds against the same lev that lost to c9 just a couple weeks before
Yuh_aye [#8]fns with oxys mechanics will be the best player itw?
You're seriously underestimating fns's calling and oxy's mechanics. Most t1 duelists aren't on oxy's level mechanically. Put both together and you have the best overall player in the world.
zellsis has good mechanics
I agree he's no slouch, but he obviously doesn't have Aleksandar mechanics, even if he is a much better player.
a good igl won't lose a 12-5 lead
Did you actually watch the game and see how they got to 12? or just remember that they lost and parrot that non-stop? or consider that they had like 1 week practice?
And getting 12 rounds is better than some of what was going on before : https://www.vlr.gg/314637/nrg-esports-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w3
i think I watched the vod for the c9 game, but yeah I don't doubt fns as a smart player, but there are many smarter players in tier1 than fns, which is undoubtedly true.
i think there are players who are smarter than fns and have oxy level mechanics already, one example is riens, other is zekken, meteor is another, they are as smart as fns if not smarter, and imo have better mechanics than oxy, riens is the best player in emea right now, he has carried team heretics.
and mind you the players I just listed are top 5 in the world currently (meteor maybe top 8).
Yuh_aye [#8]fns with oxys mechanics will be the best player itw?
You're seriously underestimating fns's calling and oxy's mechanics. Most t1 duelists aren't on oxy's level mechanically. Put both together and you have the best overall player in the world.
zellsis has good mechanics
I agree he's no slouch, but he obviously doesn't have Aleksandar mechanics, even if he is a much better player.
a good igl won't lose a 12-5 lead
Did you actually watch the game and see how they got to 12? or just remember that they lost and parrot that non-stop? or consider that they had like 1 week practice?
And getting 12 rounds is better than some of what was going on before : https://www.vlr.gg/314637/nrg-esports-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w3
also I don't think the 'superteam' nrg was better than the later nrg, im inclined to believe they both were atleast equal to each other
1243 [#12]i think I watched the vod for the c9 game, but yeah I don't doubt fns as a smart player, but there are many smarter players in tier1 than fns, which is undoubtedly true.
i think there are players who are smarter than fns and have oxy level mechanics already, one example is riens, other is zekken, meteor is another, they are as smart as fns if not smarter, and imo have better mechanics than oxy, riens is the best player in emea right now, he has carried team heretics.
and mind you the players I just listed are top 5 in the world currently (meteor maybe top 8).
Name the 'many' players you think can put Saadhak on the verge of tears because of their calling/IGLing
We're not talking about overall game intelligence, we're talking about IGLing. Riens isn't IGLing
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FNS is on an elite level IGL'ing, you mix that with Oxy level mechanics or near, and that's the best player in the world. Its that simple
And notice that the players you mentioned above OXY are the cream of the crop in valorant right now, so that's elite company to be with, reinforcing my point. (Imagine if any of those guys were doing that while IGLing)
Yuh_aye [#14]Name the 'many' players you think can put Saadhak on the verge of tears because of their calling/IGLing
We're not talking about overall game intelligence, we're talking about IGLing. Riens isn't IGLing
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FNS is on an elite level IGL'ing, you mix that with Oxy level mechanics or near, and that's the best player in the world. Its that simpleAnd notice that the players you mentioned above OXY are the cream of the crop in valorant right now, so that's elite company to be with, reinforcing my point. (Imagine if any of those guys were doing that while IGLing)
igling probably valyn and johnqt, also you said best PLAYER itw not the best player who is also an igl.
BUFF163 [#5]The original superteam roster didn’t blow a 12-5 lead, did they?
The original superteam had more time together
1243 [#15]igling probably valyn and johnqt, also you said best PLAYER itw not the best player who is also an igl.
also if you meant igls, then probably fns with oxy mechanics is the best itw, but it's very close, johnqt and valyn are very good mechanically do not underestimate them, infact valyn is the best player on g2 mechanics wise and game sense wise
1243 [#19]also if you meant igls, then probably fns with oxy mechanics is the best itw, but it's very close, johnqt and valyn are very good mechanically do not underestimate them, infact valyn is the best player on g2 mechanics wise and game sense wise
Disagree, Oxy is alot better mechanically than both of them (not saying they're slouches either). And Leaf is (was) their best player mechanics wise (now jawgemo).
I actually consider Valyn the best IGL in the world currently on a pure individual level
But our hypothetical FNS/OXY combo is both a decently better caller and shooter
For reference, Oxy mopping the floor with KangKang this morning: https://tracker.gg/valorant/match/e3520968-a493-4179-90e8-8d5f19cb03c9
Yuh_aye [#20]Disagree, Oxy is alot better mechanically than both of them (not saying they're slouches either). And Leaf is (was) their best player mechanics wise (now jawgemo).
I actually consider Valyn the best IGL in the world currently on a pure individual level
But our hypothetical FNS/OXY combo is both a decently better caller and shooter
For reference, Oxy mopping the floor with KangKang this morning: https://tracker.gg/valorant/match/e3520968-a493-4179-90e8-8d5f19cb03c9
well, you might underestimating valyn and johnqt or i might be underestimating oxy. but I think you are wrong with the leaf and jawgemo, valyn is criminally underrated and unless jawgemo become consistent, valyn will be their best player. ranked doesn't matter, johnqt and valyn are much closer to oxy than you think.
1243 [#21]well, you might underestimating valyn and johnqt or i might be underestimating oxy. but I think you are wrong with the leaf and jawgemo, valyn is criminally underrated and unless jawgemo become consistent, valyn will be their best player. ranked doesn't matter, johnqt and valyn are much closer to oxy than you think.
you didn't say best player, you said best mechanically:
infact valyn is the best player on g2 mechanics wise
I actually agree he's g2's best player, but he's not G2's best player mechanically. Leaf and now Jawgemo have better mechanics
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Also Oxy has previously smoked KangKang in a LAN a while back, before he even played an official match
Yuh_aye [#22]you didn't say best player, you said best mechanically:
infact valyn is the best player on g2 mechanics wise
I actually agree he's g2's best player, but he's not G2's best player mechanically. Leaf and now Jawgemo have better mechanics
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Also Oxy has previously smoked KangKang in a LAN a while back, before he even played an official match
i stated above that I think valyn is their best player mechanics wise and game sense, i wasn't clear in the second reply, we'll see this season ig, the original argument about fns is based on a hypothetical, it doesn't matter anyway, we both might be wrong and there might be a third completely different answer to it altogether.
1243 [#23]i stated above that I think valyn is their best player mechanics wise and game sense, i wasn't clear in the second reply, we'll see this season ig, the original argument about fns is based on a hypothetical, it doesn't matter anyway, we both might be wrong and there might be a third completely different answer to it altogether.
True, all this over one line about why I gave FNS screwface in a hypothetical lmao
kanyefan4238173 [#2]Fns with screwface. Fns has a .8 k/d playing against high immortals, even with how smart he is.
I think redgar can get a 1.0 k/d in 2024 high immortal (not sure on that)
There’s bad aimers and then fns is a tier or two below them aim wise
Edit: it’s actually like .90 now, but even then redgar can get 1.0
redgar plays good when he isnt the only igl
back in gambit - nats and chronicle used to call alot
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