SAYF

i saw a video that said that his ex teammates said that he is toxic
i know about the liquid champs vlog and he said they made him out to be toxic but is there any player who said that on stream or smthng

getting reality check by someone = mean theyre toxic ?

he might now always be the nicest teammate but he is the realest, he is not gonna be super sweet to you after making mistakes but he is gonna be the realest one..

idk where the narrative comes from, probably some of his fragile ex teammates

Sayf is not toxic , he's passionate and it shows in his game . In heated games he can call out mistakes pretty blunt which might seem toxic to snowflakes because they don't know how teams operate within .

DetonationFocusMeiy [#2]

getting reality check by someone = mean theyre toxic ?

he might now always be the nicest teammate but he is the realest, he is not gonna be super sweet to you after making mistakes but he is gonna be the realest one..

idk where the narrative comes from, probably some of his fragile ex teammates

That very much depends brother. If someone tells you you’re terrible it might be real but that doesn’t make it less toxic

Not saying that’s the case with Sayf I don’t fucking know him

DetonationFocusMeiy [#2]

getting reality check by someone = mean theyre toxic ?

he might now always be the nicest teammate but he is the realest, he is not gonna be super sweet to you after making mistakes but he is gonna be the realest one..

idk where the narrative comes from, probably some of his fragile ex teammates

honesty =/ toxic. Like if your teammate just doesn't do the right thing and it costs you the round / the game/ the tournament, then you need to address it. It's a team game, correct, but team consists of elements and if one of the elements doesn't work as it should then it should be improved upon

All the clips i saw about sayf on vitality seems like hes a cool dude. His passion to the game and his teammate is unmatchable. I heard about Sayf having idea differential with Redgar but didnt know about him being toxic

DetonationFocusMeiy [#2]

getting reality check by someone = mean theyre toxic ?

he might now always be the nicest teammate but he is the realest, he is not gonna be super sweet to you after making mistakes but he is gonna be the realest one..

idk where the narrative comes from, probably some of his fragile ex teammates

you can be honest without being an absolute cunt

z12 [#7]

you can be honest without being an absolute cunt

hard not to show emotions when your dreams and goals are fucked over by something which shouldn't happen

Nef0r0 [#8]

hard not to show emotions when your dreams and goals are fucked over by something which shouldn't happen

If you can’t control your emotions you’re not a good player brother

Mortadelo [#9]

If you can’t control your emotions you’re not a good player brother

True, perhaps that's what prevents Sayf from being a winner? And I wonder if by the same logic you would consider s1mple a good player?

Nef0r0 [#10]

True, perhaps that's what prevents Sayf from being a winner? And I wonder if by the same logic you would consider s1mple a good player?

I don't think we know enough about either to make the judgment if that is really their issue. What you show on stream might very much be just for the show, it's very hard to know without being on a team with them

Mortadelo [#11]

I don't think we know enough about either to make the judgment if that is really their issue. What you show on stream might very much be just for the show, it's very hard to know without being on a team with them

s1mple has had several moments on stream, off stream where he was ''toxic'' to his team, didn't make him less skilled

Nef0r0 [#8]

hard not to show emotions when your dreams and goals are fucked over by something which shouldn't happen

my cooldown is way too long mb. I agree with what you have said but no one calls you toxic unless you berate them frequently. Getting pissed every once in a while is acceptable and healthy for you but being a dick frequently really reduces your value as a player. This is still pure speculation since none of us know shit.

Nef0r0 [#12]

s1mple has had several moments on stream, off stream where he was ''toxic'' to his team, didn't make him less skilled

Still kinda hard to know since I don't think it's the same doing in on ranked than when you're focused competing. But yeah it might signal that's something he needs to work on.

Although my point is something more like, if you can't control your emotions and you lose control after loosing map 1 of a series, that hurts your chances of winning map 2, no matter how skilled you are

Mortadelo [#14]

Still kinda hard to know since I don't think it's the same doing in on ranked than when you're focused competing. But yeah it might signal that's something he needs to work on.

Although my point is something more like, if you can't control your emotions and you lose control after loosing map 1 of a series, that hurts your chances of winning map 2, no matter how skilled you are

true, but I feel like it depends on the people around him. Like navi 2021 ( the best navi with s1mple) learned to just ignore the emotion side and focus on the advice

Whysoseriousss [#3]

Sayf is not toxic , he's passionate and it shows in his game . In heated games he can call out mistakes pretty blunt which might seem toxic to snowflakes because they don't know how teams operate within .

snowflakes

DetonationFocusMeiy [#2]

getting reality check by someone = mean theyre toxic ?

he might now always be the nicest teammate but he is the realest, he is not gonna be super sweet to you after making mistakes but he is gonna be the realest one..

idk where the narrative comes from, probably some of his fragile ex teammates

I mean that literally is toxicity in some cases. Its like seeing a fat guy and then saying "eat salad and go to gym fatty" to them. Might be partly true, but it maybe isn't the best or optimal approach. People like to cheer for people who are "real" like how everyone mentions it when talking about Sayf, but if you being "real" means you are being a dick when things aren't going your way then well that isn't a very good trait to have. Some people are fine with it, but some aren't and it can completely ruin mental of the team. Same as why s1mple was always seen as a toxic player even if he was insane individually.

don't know how sayf is obviously

No bro, he said the team management was pointing out that he was toxic and made it so towards the public, he said he and redgar often argued but it was purely for how to improve and that he is still friends with him and others on the team , he thrashed the team management, cause he said when the clips of him and redgar were seen even they both were suprised abt it as they weren't arguing childishly but abt the game improvement and that he was made a scape goat for the failure along with redgar

Impossible to say without more insight into the team honestly. Though it is worth noting that his teammates on VIT seemed fond of him and management clearly trust him. Liquid 2023 built a great roster on paper that was a total failure, even though Sayf performed great. I think mixing this sort of disappointment with a player that is already clearly on the emotional side (consider his talks of retirement etc.) it could heat up quite a bit.