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vn888 [#10]This year Riddle looks like Rare Atom, two Koreans will choke again :))
RA made it to final, that's different
Aartanis [#9]wdym
japan is declining since 1990s and not rich/world leading country anymore. It's crazy foreign people still think we can dominate like USA/china. in reality most of family can't afford to buy gaming PC for their kids
kiyuri [#13]japan is declining since 1990s and not rich/world leading country anymore. It's crazy foreign people still think we can dominate like USA/china. in reality most of family can't afford to buy gaming PC for their kids
That's a lame excuse. You guys are even being crushed by SEA right now.
kiyuri [#13]japan is declining since 1990s and not rich/world leading country anymore. It's crazy foreign people still think we can dominate like USA/china. in reality most of family can't afford to buy gaming PC for their kids
yeah, mostly the cost of apart/fudosan is closely half of their salary (not all, but mostly tokyo area)
hydrazohne [#14]That's a lame excuse. You guys are even being crushed by SEA right now.
I'm not making excuse for being bad. just saying people are overrating our country and expecting too much
kiyuri [#13]japan is declining since 1990s and not rich/world leading country anymore. It's crazy foreign people still think we can dominate like USA/china. in reality most of family can't afford to buy gaming PC for their kids
Lol what a lame excuse. Japan has never been good at PC eSports. Just admit it. I mean when console gaming dominates like in Japan it's inevitable that PC eSports scene won't be that good. At least it's developing in recent years with apex and valo.
Liotakla [#18]Lol what a lame excuse. Japan has never been good at PC eSports. Just admit it. I mean when console gaming dominates like in Japan it's inevitable that PC eSports scene won't be that good. At least it's developing in recent years with apex and valo.
I mean that's the point, we don't have a power to depelop from zero anymore so don't expect much. that's what I want to say
IonlywatchvcjXD [#7]When the foundation actually starts to take root, expecting Japan to do better rn when the only resource they have is money and views are not possible.
I'm curious about the second part of your comment. What else is needed for your foundation? They have money for academies and training facilities, and geographic location for Chinese and Korean scrim partners. Couldn't ask much more than that
kiyuri [#19]I mean that's the point, we don't have a power to depelop from zero anymore so don't expect much. that's what I want to say
Bruh you guys have the capability still. Don't now act like Japan is suddenly not even as good as sea countries. There is literally so much money and sponsors still for japanese eSports scene. But I will say cause of no foundation it will still take some time for Japan to catch up.
vn888 [#10]This year Riddle looks like Rare Atom, two Koreans will choke again :))
Free1ng didn't choke shut up. Xlg was just so much better in the final. Of course ra played bad but xlg played the best valorant they've played that day.
VlrUser [#20]I'm curious about the second part of your comment. What else is needed for your foundation? They have money for academies and training facilities, and geographic location for Chinese and Korean scrim partners. Couldn't ask much more than that
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PC gaming in Japan needs to be mainstream for quite some time, look at China and Korea, they have been playing PC games since the concept even exists, while in Japan at that time PC games are mainly Hentai games and Love simulator. This needs time, meaning the PC gaming needs to have a hold in Japan and not just become a fad ( only exists for 5 years then everyone back to console).
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Playerbase itself, currently Valorant is just a "spectator sports" in Japan, this is great meaning there's an incentive for the region to improve, since the demand is there, but the playerbase are lacking. Talent only comes from the playerbase, when your player base is small meaning there's less talent to pick up, academy team can help relieve this issue, but ultimately there needs to be a larger playerbase.
Essentialy PC gaming culture needs to take root. It will take time, it took Korea from Cs 1.6 to pubg or overwatch to be great (Idk how accurate when exactly their fps become good but it's not that they're) and China too. Expecting Japan to do good in 4 years timespan is crazy if imma be honest, which is why my whole point when I'm speaking about VCJ is about how to make the region better.
As a EU guy who has worked in JP for more than 2 years, I can assure you that everything is just starting for the JP scene.
There are a lot of talent which gets more and more experience and understanding of the 5x5 tactical FPS like VALORANT.
Not having a solid CS scene hurts them obviously, so the teamplay experience in many different aspects is just building.
Most of the things that set the level in VALORANT came from the CS experience and you need time to develop this in Japan.
Things take time and we already see that year's competition level is rising. I think that the JP scene will be very solid in the upcoming years.
Johnta [#26]As a EU guy who has worked in JP for more than 2 years, I can assure you that everything is just starting for the JP scene.
There are a lot of talent which gets more and more experience and understanding of the 5x5 tactical FPS like VALORANT.
Not having a solid CS scene hurts them obviously, so the teamplay experience in many different aspects is just building.
Most of the things that set the level in VALORANT came from the CS experience and you need time to develop this in Japan.
Things take time and we already see that year's competition level is rising. I think that the JP scene will be very solid in the upcoming years.
Ty Johnta for speaking out, you made Fennel great and for that I am extremely grateful. Can you tell us any upcoming Jp players to look out for?
IonlywatchvcjXD [#27]Ty Johnta for speaking out, you made Fennel great and for that I am extremely grateful. Can you tell us any upcoming Jp players to look out for?
Thank you.
Obviously the trio from RIDDLE and other players from ZETA AC. All of them are just starting and already have some very decent experience.
In Challengers Absol was a beast for Murash. Nobita from SG had such a great season. Hands from FAV is so good and it's sad they did not qualify for this year's challengers, I think they are a very decent team. RC's Brian is very good as well, as far as I understand it was one of his first serious teams and he came out of their AC. Muto was very good for the RC also. Tenzou from SZ is very good as well. RIA has great potential, he helped us a lot last year and I hope he'll get his chance.
When we had an AC in FENNEL in the past, we had some players with good potential. BinBin is probably the guy I remember the most. SG's AC had some good prospects as well.
I'm sure there are a lot more and I'm missing someone.
Johnta [#26]As a EU guy who has worked in JP for more than 2 years, I can assure you that everything is just starting for the JP scene.
There are a lot of talent which gets more and more experience and understanding of the 5x5 tactical FPS like VALORANT.
Not having a solid CS scene hurts them obviously, so the teamplay experience in many different aspects is just building.
Most of the things that set the level in VALORANT came from the CS experience and you need time to develop this in Japan.
Things take time and we already see that year's competition level is rising. I think that the JP scene will be very solid in the upcoming years.
yooo my goat johnta you deserve an better team bro
kiyuri [#13]japan is declining since 1990s and not rich/world leading country anymore. It's crazy foreign people still think we can dominate like USA/china. in reality most of family can't afford to buy gaming PC for their kids
its japan not Bangladesh
Johnta [#28]Thank you.
Obviously the trio from RIDDLE and other players from ZETA AC. All of them are just starting and already have some very decent experience.
In Challengers Absol was a beast for Murash. Nobita from SG had such a great season. Hands from FAV is so good and it's sad they did not qualify for this year's challengers, I think they are a very decent team. RC's Brian is very good as well, as far as I understand it was one of his first serious teams and he came out of their AC. Muto was very good for the RC also. Tenzou from SZ is very good as well. RIA has great potential, he helped us a lot last year and I hope he'll get his chance.When we had an AC in FENNEL in the past, we had some players with good potential. BinBin is probably the guy I remember the most. SG's AC had some good prospects as well.
I'm sure there are a lot more and I'm missing someone.
FAV also promoted Fukuken who looks nuts and the 3rd split helps to add a lot of upcoming and unknown talents, i feel like every region having a 3rd split is going to help the type of VCLs that have a big playerbase and give a chance to ranked demons even more
kiyuri [#13]japan is declining since 1990s and not rich/world leading country anymore. It's crazy foreign people still think we can dominate like USA/china. in reality most of family can't afford to buy gaming PC for their kids
Is this not more of a work culture issue? Ik my Korean relatives tell me its mostly due to simply not having time to play at home after work
Yuniee44 [#32]Is this not more of a work culture issue? Ik my Korean relatives tell me its mostly due to simply not having time to play at home after work
Bro is so wrong about the economy thing. Problem with Japan is just the console gaming popularity over PC gaming for so long. Unlike Korea or even china where PC gaming took off a long time ago, the PC gaming scene in Japan has been growing for a very short time which is why Japan is so weak at PC eSports scene. Even then only valo and apex have been popular there and only now is foundation for the eSports scene growing there.
Yuniee44 [#32]Is this not more of a work culture issue? Ik my Korean relatives tell me its mostly due to simply not having time to play at home after work
toxic work culture is being fixed rapidly nowadays. but most of japanese family don't have good PC at home, so no oppotunity to get into PC gaming
Johnta [#28]Thank you.
Obviously the trio from RIDDLE and other players from ZETA AC. All of them are just starting and already have some very decent experience.
In Challengers Absol was a beast for Murash. Nobita from SG had such a great season. Hands from FAV is so good and it's sad they did not qualify for this year's challengers, I think they are a very decent team. RC's Brian is very good as well, as far as I understand it was one of his first serious teams and he came out of their AC. Muto was very good for the RC also. Tenzou from SZ is very good as well. RIA has great potential, he helped us a lot last year and I hope he'll get his chance.When we had an AC in FENNEL in the past, we had some players with good potential. BinBin is probably the guy I remember the most. SG's AC had some good prospects as well.
I'm sure there are a lot more and I'm missing someone.
I see, thank you for your inputs Johnta, hoping for your win in your next journey (I have no idea whether you will remain with Fennel or not but I think you will get that spot again) 🔥🔥
kiyuri [#35]toxic work culture is being fixed rapidly nowadays. but most of japanese family don't have good PC at home, so no oppotunity to get into PC gaming
But recently there is pc bang/pc gaming cafe in Tokyo right? like, hangout esports area, RED° TOKYO TOWER and 2nd floor CR gaming space(if i'm not mistaken) and rage cafe harajuku
Hope that would built the val community much better and developing some star player
Johnta [#26]As a EU guy who has worked in JP for more than 2 years, I can assure you that everything is just starting for the JP scene.
There are a lot of talent which gets more and more experience and understanding of the 5x5 tactical FPS like VALORANT.
Not having a solid CS scene hurts them obviously, so the teamplay experience in many different aspects is just building.
Most of the things that set the level in VALORANT came from the CS experience and you need time to develop this in Japan.
Things take time and we already see that year's competition level is rising. I think that the JP scene will be very solid in the upcoming years.
Hi Johnta, thank you for helping Fennel & Jp scene this far!! And also thanks for your hard works with Tyloo in past! o7
kiyuri [#35]toxic work culture is being fixed rapidly nowadays. but most of japanese family don't have good PC at home, so no oppotunity to get into PC gaming
Well thats good I guess? lol
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