Pacific team slot

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We should adjust the slots
5 for korea and 5 for SEA
And make jp teams compete in ascension

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Sure, let's drive down the viewerships and bring down the scene even more

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Worse than Brazil

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japan only has viewership to offer and not skill talent or strats 😭😭😭

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Same as most countries in APAC

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i wouldn't say that when thailand indonesia and south korea exist
not to mention far east russia
hell I'd even say the average filipino and mysg team wipes the floor with average jp team

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Not really
Fav won against everyone except Team secret on Apex league
Nth's LCQ run
You can call Scarz as one too , but y'all have problems with Japan importing and bending the rules and so do I so we can ignore that.
You might be right about Tier 1 but.But Tier 2 Japan is just different, there's not a lot of ocassions where Jp and SEA t2 will play against each other and I think it's safe to say that Japan still gets ahead.

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honestly looking at naos and disguised i would even agree with you now that i look at it

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Don't jinx now, I need Riddle to at least achieve top 4

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yehfela

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When they know how to deal with 4v1,or they will be wiped out ASAP

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Viewerships, sponsorships , investments by tier 2 orgs into academy teams.... The region is growing regardless of the pace and people just fail to see it or refuse to admit it.

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Keep growing,keep losing

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Still, they put much more than any regions in the world let's tell riot to cut relations with a region willing to burn money just in valorant when most regions prefers to spend their money somewhere else 😄

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yehfela

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Trust me,cn will put more money than JP,then jp has no values in this game

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That's why they have a scene of their own, whilst APAC has Japan as one of it's major pillars.

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yehfela

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The match between zeta got 0-13
Bro,they have 6 coaches and MDFK NO ONE CAN PLAY ICEBOX???
It's the map lasted for 4 years and no one strategy is correct
That's crazy for Jp#1

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and sea doesn't have sponsorships investments from other orgs and academy teams?
(no I'm being serious, sea really doesn't have those?)

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Not to my knowledge, you have to ask those who know, but I'll just come out and say japan are projected to have 8 academy teams in T1 and T2 combined, it shows that they are willing to be a good partner to riot

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y'all MUST produce 20 JAPANESE meiy like players that have JAPANESE BLOOD in them in order to justify having that many ascension slots in my humble opinion

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That's not how academy team works bro, I'll be extremely happy too if Japan managed to produce 20 Meiys

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Anzaldinho

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academy teams are there to scout talents, teach them how to get better, polish them grow them yada yada so they become great players

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Welp that's ideally what's going to happen but, not everyone develops the same way.
Some know that RIddle core , absol, etc once come from academy teams. But no one will remember that G4ll once was part of Sengoku Academy, or Beomjun part of T1 academy....

I do hope the academy teams work tho

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yehfela

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Another fun fact,why jp has a lot of viewership?
Because Zeta had a Cinderella run!they pushed this game to another viewer peak
You don't know how the history developed,kid
Every fans want their team to "win",with this trend and jp teams keep losing
The viewership will downfall quickly,trust me

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carried by koreans and russians. Meiy and laz were the only players who knew how to shoot back, too bad even they get destroyed by some random Korean player.

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They can't really do that, otherwise korea would win every single international event

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Jp stream sponsor more than entire sea stream combined lol

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4 korea 5 sea 1 Japan
Competitive enough while maintaining the Japanese scene

Alternatively
4 korea 4 sea 1 japan 1 oce

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Bro really said "5 for SEA" SEA doesn't even have one team that can actually win anything. 11 countries couldn't create one winning roster. And it's not like they rake crazy viewership too. Biggest keke post of the week

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yehfela

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Got you racism j0p0n kid~

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fake japan btw

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arin2016

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Wait what? This guy is actually schizo lmao

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Prx is literally the most popular team in the world

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yehfela

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Your region can't make any international tournament in TWO YEARS,how tf can you think the viewership is important
Watch your treasure zeta and dfm lose every match and become a meme in VCT
Well done,kid

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I mean they already merge for split 3
Just wait for JP too bro

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and japan has?
viewership? what else? meiy? is that it?

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Yes? What else do you need? Bro said "is that it" as if viewership isn't literally the most important thing

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competitiveness is obviously most important in esports
e""""sports""""

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China can provide more viewership

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Remind me when China is part of the Pacific League... Anyways relying on Chinese League so Pacific League can sustain themselves is pathetic

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yehfela

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Pac is not important,bro
China has world champ before pac
What champ does you have?weak Shanghai champ??

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yehfela

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Even WOL or Tec can easily clear Pac#1

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The current slot distribution is probably perfect and there is no need to touch it for atleast 2 years. If even after that GE can't develop Indian scene and JP can't compete internationally we can think about small modifications

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BTW,GE and Mibr may not have slots due to the consideration of riot

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fake news

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True, give more just because of Korea is dumb and childish move

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Only problem is that OCE doesnt have a roster despite having a lot of talent (We need an expantion)

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Japan clearly don't deserve the current two slots. It should be reduced to one slot

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i think the slots are ok teams just need to stop trolling and get primmies or karons if you know what i mean (cracked mechanical kids that rely a lot on shooting heads)

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why can't we just merge korea and japan into one region?

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Korea and china owns riot bro

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i have no problem with china being their own region, though it would be nicer if china was part of apac as it is in cs2, chinese viewership won't drop regardless
even more competition in apac and more incentives for teams to do better instead of taking free riot money and doing nothing for two fucking years now
once again franchising is a bad idea

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"viewership doesn't matter"
"why can't we have good things in esport fuck u riot"
xd

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Anzaldinho

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give more slots to shit teams because they come from country that has more population than the country the good teams are from
is this your logic?

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Cezka000

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This is business, not just competition

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Anzaldinho

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let's look at how other esports sustain themselves without sucking off certain countries just because they generate more money

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Viewership does matter. But lets be honest here, how much viewership is dfm and ge bringing? Most of dfm watcher are taken by zeta anyway, while indians clown on GE and don't really watch vct(I don't remember seeing GE matches being more watched than other Pacific team unlike PRX and Zeta)

A vietnam or oce team will bring more viewership and a 4th kr team will make the league more competitive. Hell adding boom esport probably add more viewership to the league even though their watcher base also watch rrq

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You forgot CR, Riddle and Murash.... DFM got it because of their "legacy"

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Exactly. If its CR the viewership argument make sense. But its dfm...

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Anyways, replacing DFM with another org like Sengoku will do Riot pacific much better, I think people needs to know that Sengoku has their own Venue
https://challepa.jp/

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Your racism really shows lol. The people watching boom are the same people who'll watch RRQ GE brings viewers who're coming for GE and are separate from the rest.
You're sea teams popularity ca be easily seen in ascension especially Singapore lol. Even with toast look at the viewers of matches other than that of disguised. Same goes for indo and phy scenes the viewership is not too different infact it may even be less lol. OCE viewership lol.
For Viet region tho yes i agree we can remove a korean or jp team as they have enough representation.

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What's racist about it? Stop yapping lol

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Mf is saying OCE and VIet bring more viewership lol. He thinks SEA has more viewership than SA no single country has as much viewers as us there's a reason we get more and more sponsorships more off season tournaments every year despite being shit.
Also we're way less shit than your Viet teams who're way worse and your beloved DFM aka the worst team in VCT

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thai got 20k ish on their vcl gf i think? indo got 15kish, vietnam got 8k.
those are official stream numbers only. not including officia/unofficial watch parties.
and you said they aren't?

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Sadly it's only for grand finals, are there any notable watch parties in other VCLs?
I know Binks is one of them but the rest I'm not sure

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thai got loads of them but i never watch em. indo only got a few but don't matter a lot since indos prefer official stream. vn idk.
other than that, maybe toast's stream?

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Ah no w I remembered how can I forget superbuss lol.
Thai vcl are genuinely held back by soop tbh.

Unfortunately I do think that indo watch party are lacking the ones that I remember is glhfson but he's not exactly that clouted cmiiw.

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They definitely are but still less than VCL SA so your not bringing viewers is entirely false.

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how much tbone and binks and harsh and whoever got combined on SA VCL GF?
don't even bother talking the official stream cuz they only got 4k ish no?

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indians don't watch GE is true tho? i always see their (HINDI) stream less populate than any SEA stream.

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If you want to look for viewership in VCL SA go watch co streams (Binks, Tbone etc.)
Also look for English language rather than Hindi. In India people speak many many languages just looking at hindi wont give you accurate no of viewers.
There's a region despite being so shit we still keep getting more and more tournaments sponsors etc lol.

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What is it with Indians and racism wtf? Anyone say something bad about the indian scene suddenly its racism. The only thing i said about Indians was that they hate GE. You do realize GE owner and players have insulted India multiple times? This is excluding the fact they got fkin p0lvi instead of idk HALF OF THE INDIAN SCENE DUELIST THAT IS BETTER THAN HIM. Yes India hate GE, and they should

Statistically GE matches doesn't have more viewers on average compared to the matches of secret ,rrq or talon. The difference is all those 3 teams are competitive. GE is not

Included boom because their core actually made it into an international tournament on an open circuit, something no indian team can even come close too back in 2022. Also population and they are the most popular team in Indo.

Ps : your best player this year was from their core. Your best player last year was from the team that core beat to qualify for champs

Also why are you fake flagging? Are you ashamed you are indian you racist? Be proud of who you are from

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If you criticize with facts not lies then no one will bat an eye and since you've to resort to lies idk what motivation you've other than yk.
Also Indians hate rushindra true but yk no matter how much we hate pushindra most of our fans still turn up even after being shit every year every time you're delued to think they don't watch.
Well statistically you're lying watch a game between two teams from different regions compete against each other dosen't really give an idea about how many viewers each region has does it I mean look at last year LCQ GE had the most viewers and we know it was cuz of zeta so it's not a correct metric to judge.
If you want to see go look at the individual VCl's and see the viewership of your SEA teams especially your Singapore even after Toast. It's utterly pethatic lol.

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Singapore did not get in for the viewership, its because we are a competitive region. But even then Singapore's PRX is the most watched team in Apac with the most bundle sold. Even with no viewership and playing with a handicap (NS) we won last ascension.

Never have i talked about VCL SA in this discussion. I was saying that GE is not even that popular compared to other teams. Their popularity is nowhere near PRX or Zeta. That is fact.

Thiswas never a discussion about VCL sa. Stop pretending to be Indian to bring hate to India you racist.

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Well, when Riot first organized APAC, the rumor was 5 Korean orgs (Gen, T1, DRX, DK, NS). NS exist as a Korean organization, but they were going to use a full Japanese roster. The remaining five slots were to consist of 1 JP and 4 SEA.Those plans were canceled.

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Womp womp

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saying this while having malay flag is astonishing
you know you're getting robbed right?

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Malaysian prefer MOBA over FPS unfortunately

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What i thought is NS with Japanese roster might have been better for Japan than DFM.

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Maybe make SEA different from East Asia

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yehfela

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Or maybe Kr 7 slots
Sea 3 slots
Spg is so damn good

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If Korea is just strong let's just expand every region to 16 teams, (2 ascended, 2 partenered)

Give one partener slot to OCE and probably VN, and if Korea is that strong they just pick the 4 remaining ascended spot (7 spot for KR is largely enough, even if it's 3 partenered + 4 Ascended)