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VCT RANKINGS - INTRO

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As of September 2024, and approaching the beginning of Offseason, I will try to make a ranking of the teams in each franchised region as objective as possible when VCT 2025 begins. I decided to do this considering that VLR's way of ranking is quite unreliable, inaccurate and poorly updated.

You can check the explanation of how the system works below the rankings

I will try to update the rankings at the end of each month when the season begins

1) VCT AMERICAS

  1. Sentinels - 0
  2. LOUD - 0
  3. NRG - 0
  4. Evil Geniuses - 0
  5. G2 Esports - 0
  6. MIBR - 0
  7. Leviatán - 0
  8. Cloud9 - 0
  9. 100 Thieves - 0
  10. KRÜ Esports - 0
  11. FURIA - 0
  12. Ascension winner 2024 - 0

2) VCT EMEA

  1. Karmine Corp - 0
  2. Team Heretics -0
  3. Fnatic - 0
  4. NAVI - 0
  5. Team Vitality - 0
  6. KOI - 0
  7. FUT Esports - 0
  8. Team Liquid - 0
  9. Gentle Mates - 0
  10. GIANTX - 0
  11. BBL Esports -0
  12. Ascension winner 2024 - 0

3) VCT CHINA

  1. EDward Gaming - 0
  2. FunPlus Phoenix -0
  3. Trace Esports - 0
  4. Dragon Ranger - 0
  5. BiliBili Gaming - 0
  6. Titan Esports Club - 0
  7. Nova Esports - 0
  8. JD Gaming - 0
  9. Wolves - 0
  10. TYLOO - 0
  11. All Gamers - 0
  12. Ascension winner 2024 - 0

4) VCT PACIFIC

  1. Gen G Esports - 0
  2. Paper Rex -0
  3. T1 - 0
  4. DRX - 0
  5. Team Secret - 0
  6. ZETA DIVISION - 0
  7. Global Esports - 0
  8. Talon Esports - 0
  9. Rex Regum Qeon - 0
  10. Bleed Esports - 0
  11. Detonation FocusMe - 0
  12. Ascension winner 2024 - 0

PLEASE IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO MAKE THIS SYSTEM EVEN BETTER, TELL ME YOUR OPINIONS HERE

System explanation

#2
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Nice system ! Did you do it for 2024 as an example ?

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Nehtiqs [#2]

Nice system ! Did you do it for 2024 as an example ?

I started making the first version after Kickoff, and it looked nice. I have rankings from March this year that I can share here.However, I still decided to start with this in the next season.

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How do you plan on doing the balancing between the teams (ie your Loud and Furia example)?

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Jasvindaloo [#4]

How do you plan on doing the balancing between the teams (ie your Loud and Furia example)?

I'm still thinking about that as it can be pretty tricky. That's exactly the reason why I postponed this for the next season, I'm looking for people's suggestions and ideas to make this system actually reliable.

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criticaI [#3]

I started making the first version after Kickoff, and it looked nice. I have rankings from March this year that I can share here.However, I still decided to start with this in the next season.

It's still a huge project ! I was gonna ask a question about the balancing thing but you already answered below
Are you gonna write every results or do you have some kind of API or automatic thing ?

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DDenied
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cool system i tried to something like this retroactively for this year in this post although i used much lower numbers and the weightings are different

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Nehtiqs [#6]

It's still a huge project ! I was gonna ask a question about the balancing thing but you already answered below
Are you gonna write every results or do you have some kind of API or automatic thing ?

I don't know about any program or software that can automatically calculate rankings or tables except excel, and I'm not quite sure how this system would work there.

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criticaI [#8]

I don't know about any program or software that can automatically calculate rankings or tables except excel, and I'm not quite sure how this system would work there.

SQL

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criticaI [#5]

I'm still thinking about that as it can be pretty tricky. That's exactly the reason why I postponed this for the next season, I'm looking for people's suggestions and ideas to make this system actually reliable.

Maybe at the beginning of the season teams starts even, then with wins or losses they gain "elo", and beating a team with a stronger record (ie if I'm 1-4 in the season and I've now just beaten a team who is 5-0 in the season, I would get more "elo" than if I had just beaten another team who was 3-2 in the season.

It is quite a linear way of approaching it but it is a rough way of making it work.

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Winning masters should give less points OR giving Champions should give more. I don't think a difference of 200 points between those 2 is accurate given how much more important it is to win Champions over Masters.

Maybe make masters only give like 700 or Champs 1100

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AlexSMTx [#11]

Winning masters should give less points OR giving Champions should give more. I don't think a difference of 200 points between those 2 is accurate given how much more important it is to win Champions over Masters.

Maybe make masters only give like 700 or Champs 1100

I agree, good suggestion.

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finally good use of @enigma's hard earned money in vlr.gg

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criticaI
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This ranking is only a example of what it would look like. These rankings are from March 2024, right before League Stage 1.

1) VCT AMERICAS

  1. Sentinels - 2435
  2. LOUD - 1730
  3. NRG - 1145
  4. Evil Geniuses - 1095
  5. G2 Esports - 705
  6. MIBR - 675
  7. Leviatán - 525
  8. Cloud9 - 495
  9. 100 Thieves - 460
  10. KRÜ Esports - 450
  11. FURIA - 410

2) VCT EMEA

  1. Karmine Corp - 1545
  2. Team Heretics - 1210
  3. Fnatic - 1125
  4. NAVI - 1055
  5. Team Vitality - 710
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AlexSMTx [#11]

Winning masters should give less points OR giving Champions should give more. I don't think a difference of 200 points between those 2 is accurate given how much more important it is to win Champions over Masters.

Maybe make masters only give like 700 or Champs 1100

Internally, I've always weighted Champs as about 1.5x as much as Masters. The just feels correct to me. I do think that it's maybe worth reevaluating for the 8 team Masters and making it slightly less, now that they seem to be sticking with that, but not too sure.

I'd like the idea of Champs being upped to 1200, Masters 2 being 800, and Masters 1 either remaining at 800, or dropping slightly to 700.

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This is awesome!

I'm a big fan of systems that are intended to weigh things objectively in sports in general, so naturally I really like the idea for VCT. I think the numbers you have in mind appear to make a lot of sense on paper.

Only slight change I'd personally make is probably upping Champs a bit. I view the event as about 1.5x as important as a Masters, and then numbers you have are roughly more like 1.2-1.25x. In my experience, it almost seems like the average viewer has Champs as closer to 2x a Masters event, which feels way too high for me. The ratio you've got is very reasonable, but a bit on the low side for me personally. Just depends what you think about comparing the 2 events. Everything else looks fantastic and pretty fairly divided up!

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