map ban advantage

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gold2peak

it makes the game boring and predictable. i always see fans talk about how fun it is to see unexpected results and underdogs winning but they defend this dumb shit that makes the finals almost impossible to lose as if their lives depend on it.

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i mean plently lower seeds have won finals

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gold2peak

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dort

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optic beat loud 3-0 with map disadvantage buddy

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nihso

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He's so mad TH lost. It's ok bro the players don't care as much as you.

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gold2peak

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my first post today tubbY

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arin2016

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Nah bro is visibly mad LMAO

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KITTT

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''i´m inside your walls'' ahh comment

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Azzelastia

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EG won Champs 2023 coming from lower bracket with PRX having two maps ban advantage.

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cant compare best team of all time against these other teams

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Huge azzelastia w.

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There needs to be an advantage for upper seeded teams, and this makes sense, plus 2 finalists should not even have a big difference in map pools. Youre twerking for making things excited and new but when your team does something different and loses you go on vlr and start making 15 threads per second

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gold2peak

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"you just had to play a bo5 while your opponent had a free day and you are an underdog? we need to punish you even more"

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Azzelastia

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Upper bracket team did not lose a match. If they lose the final they got no more chances.
Lower bracket teams already lost once, why would they have to have equal opportunities?

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RadishSR

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In terms of any match besides the Grand Finals this makes since. Not for the Grand Final though.

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eg beat prx with a 2 map ban
sen beat gen.g with a two map ban
optic beat loud with a 2 map ban
fpx beat prx with a 2 map ban
at the end of the day, the better team will always win

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gold2peak

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th were the better team, they were 4 roumds away and they couldnt even play their best map

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michaelisupset

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if they lost, they clearly weren’t the better team lmao

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if you think icebox is their best map you are genuinely insane

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gold2peak

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by the end of the tournament it absolutely was

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sideshowsbaldhead

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lol no drx and sen should’ve beat them on it, their bind clears but everyone banned it because it’s so good

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Shizzle

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gold2peak true by the name cuz u are a DUMBASS. Clearly u know NOTHING about this game.

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They did play their best map though? and they got absolutely shit on 13-4

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gold2peak

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they literally banned sunset at some point of this tournament

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Yeah...because of this guy named Aspas...

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catNmouse

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why are you pretending like it’s a brand new concept?

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nihso

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Did EG play their best map?
Did OPTIC play their best map?

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catNmouse

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optics was bind right?

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nihso

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Well at the time I would say their Fracture was better since LOUD was more confident on Bind than Fracture vs OPTIC but this could just be LOUD are complete ass on Fracture.

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Azzelastia

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PRX banned EG's best maps

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catNmouse

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They only banned fracture, EG and PRX had the same perma ban before that and teams were banning fracture vs them so tbh the veto didn’t affect shit for them

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dandann

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Nah in the case of EDG and TH they pretty much have the same map pools. The map ban advantage was irrelevant on that match

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gold2peak

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if heretics got to ban lotus and played icebox this is a 3-1 win

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Azzelastia

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Then they shouldn't have lost to LEV 😹😹😹😹

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gold2peak

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that what this post is about + uk teeth + eg budget

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this bothers me too a little. losing with upper final advantage just means u choked hard asf

i think the best solution is creating a gap between lower and grand final (at least one more day), so the lower final team can at least prepare their other maps more because they can predict which ones will be banned

this way the upper final team still gets their deserved advantage but it becomes less predictable

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AlexSMTx

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Then what advantage do you suggest be given to the team that gets to the Final through the upper bracket?

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gold2peak

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why does the favorite need an advantage? what advantage do you get for going flawless in the group stage?

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AlexSMTx

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wdym why? ofc there needs to be an advantage to not losing a single game on playoffs before the grand final. And by goinng flawless in group stage you get first seed advantage u dumb?

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What is your proposed solution for coming from the upper bracket then? There HAS to be some kind of advantage for the team that hasn't lost a series in the playoffs. And don't say bracket reset. It'd be absurd in tac shooters considering how long matches can last. This isn't the FGC or Rocket League.

Edit: You could do single elimination playoffs, but I think people vastly prefer the double elimination bracket.

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AlexSMTx

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hehe beat you to the comment

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vollizie

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lmao by like 17 seconds. Unlucky

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gold2peak

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not having to play 2 bo5 in 24 hours is an advantage enough

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nihso

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yk in other games when teams win upper final they only have to win 1 series while the lower final team wins 2 series. Instead of that val has it for 2 map bans and a day off. Makes it fair.

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gold2peak

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both idiotic

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igl gets blindfolded

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vollizie

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I know you're joking, but this gave me an idea. What if the team from the lower bracket gets no time outs.

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AlexSMTx

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Feels like that's more punishing that the map ban thing, no timeouts in a Bo5 would require the team in lowers to prepare for any and everything since they wouldn't be able to get input from their coach throughout the whole series.

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vollizie

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You may be right. Or maybe instead of 0 timeouts, they only get 1 per map (and none during overtime, unless they still haven't used it). I'm just brainstorming tbh.

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AlexSMTx

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That seems more reasonable, but I guess it depends on each case scenario.

Teams with a wide map pool don't mind the map ban advantage thing as much, while it would really affect those with a slim map pool. In this case the maps chosen weren't even bad for TH so idk why this guy is complaining.

You would have to ask each coach on what they'd prefer. Either giving up a map for the oponent to veto, or have equal map bans, but get half the input from the coach throughout all 5 possible maps.

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vollizie

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I think, overall, I do prefer the double map bans simply because it forces the highest level teams to have extremely wide and flexible map pools, while my proposed option doesn't.

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AlexSMTx

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Yeah I think the current system is fine as is, this guy is bitching because his team lost but I've seen games where the team through upper bracket gets straight up a map/game advantage and start the series 1-0 or even where the lowers team has to beat the upper team twice in 2 Bo3 series on the same day, which in my opinion is insane.

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KITTT

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yeah sure, let´s make them start down 0-12 on second map as well

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sideshowsbaldhead

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rocket league hasn’t had bracket resets in years bc of how bad of a format it is

they have single elim playoffs instead which is a whole different issue but is what it is

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vollizie

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Interesting. Do people prefer the single elim style or would they rather go back to bracket reset? I can't think of a better alternative for RL

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GambleNats

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we originally had single elim playoffs but they changed it, and im glad they did, makes flukes less possible

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SquareMars

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course a fucking heretics flair talking about this shit

cope

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Swarleyyy

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Edg literally picked sunset lotus bind - 3 of heretic's best maps what else do you need???

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GambleNats

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if it was like a lev fan, i could see an argument (that I wouldnt agree with) but you could argue lev is the better team just bad map veto but th? absolute cope

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catNmouse

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if this is about the series vs edg, i think lev were unable to close the map with their 11-8 lead because aspas was getting zero value out of his OP on attack side, unfortunate but oh well

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GambleNats

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agreed that series was 50/50 down to its core imo, the team that choked less won, which was edg because lev couldnt find success with the atk op

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Yuh_aye

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The lower vs upper bracket record is basically even

Bro just mad Heretics couldn't do what SEN, EG, and FPX did

Diagnosis: Skill Issue

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jawn

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skill issue

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gentler

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Fucking useless european
Accept defeat like a man
little man

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catNmouse

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as an honest TH fan, i have to admit kangkang was way too good for us and we couldn’t stop him 💔

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flair

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ConsistentCycles

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EG and SEN won with double map ban disadvantage within the last year dont be mad just cause heretics couldnt

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As the number okne RieBNs glazer who is very drunk rn I guarantwee it aas a TH choke not EDG map ban

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Shizzle

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wait so lemme get this right, the team in the lower finals who have won alot of the time being at a disadvantage and getting the underdog win in the grandfinal is boring??!?!?!?!?!??!