looks good glad we have another info sentinel. i think the way this agent over or underperforms in pro play all comes down to how good the flash is on attack. if you can sub out a cypher and gain an additional slot for any other agent you want well still having all the key pieces of utility as in flash, passive info, drone, forward info, dive, and smokes. i could see a viper/skye meta developing again but with sova, vyse, and viper.
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GhostKing44 [#2]how is vyse an info senti? just one ability has info no?
you have a trip how is that not an info sentinel?????? not as much info as like cypher or kj but you have more stopping power in return
Zyppan_Best_Raze [#3]vyse is more a trap play sentinel imo, probably going to have some interesting tech for combos with other util
the slow + dmg thing can def be comboed with nades/mollies. imagine viper molly + the thorn trap, slowed and vulnerable so you are taking extra dmg from mollie and double thorn dmg due to vulnerable as you try to run
kyro1 [#4]you have a trip how is that not an info sentinel?????? not as much info as like cypher or kj but you have more stopping power in return
the one off wall is barely info lol, it activates one and doesnt give nearly as much info as any of kj/cypher's kit. depending on how easy it is to trigger it it might be useless for info
GhostKing44 [#6]the one off wall is barely info lol, it activates one and doesnt give nearly as much info as any of kj/cypher's kit. depending on how easy it is to trigger it it might be useless for info
send yoru clone through that wall trap shit
ts is NOT an info senti 😭
info senti is like kj and cypher
as they both have long range info
kj has turret that has infinite range pretty much
and cypher cam you can see very far
vyse seems to be in her own sub category of sentinel
cypher + kj = info senti
sage + deadlock = barrier senti/anti push
Chamber = aimer senti ? idfk
vyse = trap senti
CoCloudy [#8]ts is NOT an info senti 😭
info senti is like kj and cypher
as they both have long range info
kj has turret that has infinite range pretty much
and cypher cam you can see very farvyse seems to be in her own sub category of sentinel
cypher + kj = info senti
sage + deadlock = barrier senti/anti push
Chamber = aimer senti ? idfk
vyse = trap senti
chamber and vyse are both info sentinels they both have trips that is quite literally all you need to be classified as info sentinel.
CoCloudy [#8]ts is NOT an info senti 😭
info senti is like kj and cypher
as they both have long range info
kj has turret that has infinite range pretty much
and cypher cam you can see very farvyse seems to be in her own sub category of sentinel
cypher + kj = info senti
sage + deadlock = barrier senti/anti push
Chamber = aimer senti ? idfk
vyse = trap senti
yeah but vyse still has 2 info traps
kanyefan4238173 [#10]yeah but vyse still has 2 info traps
the radius of those traps
is NOTHING compared to cypher cam and kj turret
the only info its good for is flank
kyro1 [#9]chamber and vyse are both info sentinels they both have trips that is quite literally all you need to be classified as info sentinel.
classified as info sentinel
means it provides the same info as kj or cypher
which it 100% does not
there fore
Vyse is not an info sentinel
CoCloudy [#11]the radius of those traps
is NOTHING compared to cypher cam and kj turret
the only info its good for is flank
idk where your getting the idea that info sentinel isnt trips but is turret and cam. literally nobody above the rank of ascendant is going to agree with you. you are never going to run cypher and vyse that alone proves shes an info sentinel you can have less info and still be an info sentinel.
kyro1 [#13]idk where your getting the idea that info sentinel isnt trips but is turret and cam. literally nobody above the rank of ascendant is going to agree with you. you are never going to run cypher and vyse that alone proves shes an info sentinel you can have less info and still be an info sentinel.
bro...
ok lets use haven as an example !!
kj is a great agent for haven, so is cypher !!
A lot of people (including ranked [Im in immo lobbies] and pro play) love putting a turret watching c long on defense, because this allows more people to stack on other areas of the map !!!
OR we can put
A cypher cam down C long to get quick info if they are rushing or lurking C!
This is information no other sentinel can provide !!
MEANING, cypher and kj are INFORMATION SENTINELS. NOW im not saying other sentinels dont give info, im saying they cant do what cypher and kj do.
its bizarre to me that you are still defending this point lmfaoaoaoao
also ? no team is going to run cypher and vyse? yet... teams run deadlock and cypher !! because just like vyse and deadlock, a trip or sound trip is NOT good info. Why do you think people ran triple iniator on ascent when chamber meta was going on. Because chamber could not get enough info with JUST his trip. also
CoCloudy [#14]bro...
ok lets use haven as an example !!
kj is a great agent for haven, so is cypher !!
A lot of people (including ranked [Im in immo lobbies] and pro play) love putting a turret watching c long on defense, because this allows more people to stack on other areas of the map !!!
OR we can put
A cypher cam down C long to get quick info if they are rushing or lurking C!
This is information no other sentinel can provide !!
MEANING, cypher and kj are INFORMATION SENTINELS. NOW im not saying other sentinels dont give info, im saying they cant do what cypher and kj do.its bizarre to me that you are still defending this point lmfaoaoaoao
also ? no team is going to run cypher and vyse? yet... teams run deadlock and cypher !! because just like vyse and deadlock, a trip or sound trip is NOT good info. Why do you think people ran triple iniator on ascent when chamber meta was going on. Because chamber could not get enough info with JUST his trip. also
bro have you ever seen cypher and chamber get run together? no because there is no point. yes kj and cypher provide more information because they have spotting utility doesnt mean vyse doesnt fulfil the same role. barrier sentinels are ran with an info sentinel because they have no info like bro how do you not get this. vyse has a trip but no spotting utility in return you gain more initiation on your attack. there is a clear trade off but they fulfil the same role.
kyro1 [#15]bro have you ever seen cypher and chamber get run together? no because there is no point. yes kj and cypher provide more information because they have spotting utility doesnt mean vyse doesnt fulfil the same role. barrier sentinels are ran with an info sentinel because they have no info like bro how do you not get this. vyse has a trip but no spotting utility in return you gain more initiation on your attack. there is a clear trade off but they fulfil the same role.
optic literally ran chamber and kj together on maps,
vyse literally cant full fil the same role as kj and cypher because she doesnt have spotting utility.
Im just going to reiterate my argument again which is VYSE IS NOT THE SAME AS KJ AND CYPHER AND SHOULD NOT BE IN THE SAME SUB CLASS.
IM SURE SHE CAN REPLACE THEM ON SOME MAPS BUT SHE IS NOT IN THE SAME SUB CLASS AS THEM
CoCloudy [#16]optic literally ran chamber and kj together on maps,
vyse literally cant full fil the same role as kj and cypher because she doesnt have spotting utility.
Im just going to reiterate my argument again which is VYSE IS NOT THE SAME AS KJ AND CYPHER AND SHOULD NOT BE IN THE SAME SUB CLASS.
IM SURE SHE CAN REPLACE THEM ON SOME MAPS BUT SHE IS NOT IN THE SAME SUB CLASS AS THEM
ok so now that we have seen the playtest and know that the flash is like a skye flash surely you agree with me right because she actually does have spotting utility and a trip just in different forms then were used to on a sentinel
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