Both of them are legends of the game. Sacy is one of the greatest initiators without any doubt. Zellsis had a good run with the team. But tournaments like this need all or at least 4 players to frag to become the champion. I'm not saying they're bad. But it's time for them to leave and SEN needs to pick some good talents from t2 as they can have an academy roster from 2025. TenZ, Zekken and Johnqt can still go for the Champs 2025 with an updated and upgraded roster. GG 2024. Considering the Madrid win and Top 4 in Champs, it was a great year.
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Kirya [#4]here s0n fans come
want to drop every player possible cause of 1 loss
Ik you're baiting but you're actually right. Never seen fans who wants to replace their players as badly as sen fans.
AltonBu02 [#8]Ik you're baiting but you're actually right. Never seen fans who wants to replace their players as badly as sen fans.
you havent seen prx fans then
Yeah idk, 2 people having a bad game is okay u can recover but 3 is diabolical. Sacy and zellsis looked so lost on abyss. Also johns fragging been so off lately. i know he had a good series against fnatic but we really needed him today when sacy and zellsis werent doing well. Throughout americas stage 1 and 2 sacy hasnt been performing like he used to do in LOUD and maybe it is the age idk. Hes solid but looking at initators like riens, narrate, chronicle, etc he doesnt stand a chance anymore
Rokun [#5]They lost their nerves when it mattered that's it ggs. If you've been watching them, on a good day they can play better than this
I know. But the game has evolved so much. If 2 of your players have a slow start or off-day, you can not win at the international level. I feel like Sacy is still one of the best Sova and Fade with his utils, but he also needs to frag to keep up. Zellsis isn't consistent actually with his utils or fragging. He should be the first one to leave. Sen can definitely find some cracked T2 players
shzuo [#7]Yes I wish Sacy plays on some BR team
He might cook. He still has the best Sova and Fade utils
Sacy is good, he can be so clutch but i mean look at riens, he cluctch a lot and frags a lot. That's the thing about Sacy. I don't know man.
And Zellsis.. idk he also goes up and down, i mean on icebox he is pretty good most of the time, sometimes he can get a lot of kills but he also doesnt some time.
johnqt.. idk what happened but he doesnt get kills anymore, he used to kill a lot more than now. IDK man maybe its just an off day but... maybe a roster change could be what really propels this team forward.
And they need to work on their attack more man they suck ass on attack. The fact that split got taken out also is a shit show by riot and then gets put back next season.. They also really need to make their map pool just better, they are just "pretty good" on most maps..
Uncleben [#3]Erm idk about zellsis
Sacy deserves all the respectEdit: read it wrong
Sacy should not be dropped under any circumstances
Sacy is still one of the best initiators but is inconsistent with his fragging. I am not really sure if he can improve his gun power at this age. In terms of Zellsis, yes, he needs to go
SunnyFromVLR [#10]Yeah idk, 2 people having a bad game is okay u can recover but 3 is diabolical. Sacy and zellsis looked so lost on abyss. Also johns fragging been so off lately. i know he had a good series against fnatic but we really needed him today when sacy and zellsis werent doing well. Throughout americas stage 1 and 2 sacy hasnt been performing like he used to do in LOUD and maybe it is the age idk. Hes solid but looking at initators like riens, narrate, chronicle, etc he doesnt stand a chance anymore
Sacy can still be played because of his utils, but Sen can scout some T2 crackheads.
For Zellsis, I think he needs to be replaced.
Clucker [#13]I dont think theres gonna be changes unless trialing goes really well considering sen did very good this year. Aswell as the fact that zellsis and sachy are not exactly easy to replace and all the other NA/SA orgs will fight over t2 talent.
Won't be a problem for Rob Moore if he wants a player ig. Lots of flex and flash initiators are available. So, Zellsis wouldn't be that hard to replace
i know Tekken tried hard today, but trust me bro we are no where near Madrid trophy and champs top 4 if we didnt have sacy and zellsis, its just one game stop crying to drop players from your team, to add on Zellsis and sacy both vary vocal players in terms of utility usage and with calling, ofc they wont have great series every time they play, just appreciate that both of these players highly contributed to SEN success, much respect to sacy the guy is a champion and never left SEN after embarrassing 2023 year he trusted the core and the process and sticked with the team and I know he got insane offers from BR and Latam teams but choose to run it back with SEN in 2024
HishamVLR [#16]Sacy is still one of the best initiators but is inconsistent with his fragging. I am not really sure if he can improve his gun power at this age. In terms of Zellsis, yes, he needs to go
hes 26........ thats not old at all, its 1 year older than jawgemo
AK3 [#20]i know Tekken tried hard today, but trust me bro we are no where near Madrid trophy and champs top 4 if we didnt have sacy and zellsis, its just one game stop crying to drop players from your team, to add on Zellsis and sacy both vary vocal players in terms of utility usage and with calling, ofc they wont have great series every time they play, just appreciate that both of these players highly contributed to SEN success, much respect to sacy the guy is a champion and never left SEN after embarrassing 2023 year he trusted the core and the process and sticked with the team and I know he got insane offers from BR and Latam teams but choose to run it back with SEN in 2024
You got my point wrong. I'm not denying their credits for the masters win. But if you want to win the next big tournament, you gotta stay a couple of steps ahead of other teams. In esports, changing rosters is pretty normal if you don't get the best outputs. I actually think Sen can get better and younger flash initiators from T2. Zellsis doesn't need to have a great series every time, but he needs to have a great series most of the times if he wants to compete for the "Best in the world". His gun power is not up to the mark IMO and his role as a kj and flash initator is easier to replace and get someone younger and better. I'm talking about upgrading the team standards. Sen will not aim for the VCT America's top 3 positions. If they aim for the next Masters or Champs, they gotta push their standards higher
chrlxz [#21]hes 26........ thats not old at all, its 1 year older than jawgemo
He has already reached his peak with Loud IMO. If he can grind and improve his gun power, then all good. 26 is a considerable age in esports
HishamVLR [#12]I know. But the game has evolved so much. If 2 of your players have a slow start or off-day, you can not win at the international level. I feel like Sacy is still one of the best Sova and Fade with his utils, but he also needs to frag to keep up. Zellsis isn't consistent actually with his utils or fragging. He should be the first one to leave. Sen can definitely find some cracked T2 players
This is the best iteration of SEN. I've watched every iteration and this is the only one that not only made people believe they can win champs but also have an actual shot at winning champs.
In my opinion, they just need to keep practicing together as a team and after 2025 if they still don't win champs. Then that's the time they disband or rebuild the team around Zekken, Tenz, JohnQt.
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