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#31
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G2 is a very slow, heavy default team, I think PRX will run a semi-off meta composition on ASCENT with SOMETHINGG on GEKKO or JING on GEKKO. They could also run the normal default composition would be their best bet, G2 on ASCENT is a toss-up and very "easy" to read. This is going to lead to a chaotic, firefight game and thats what PRX excel at, I highly doubt G2 will control this series at all. PRX on BIND and ICEBOX are very very strong. The only reason they lose most of the games on there is just due to undisciplined habits and tendencies, PRX aren't going to showup to fuck around. Most of their setups and actual strats wise are levels above G2, PRX's LOTUS is insane, the NEON is very strong and with a team like their playstyle its practically impossible to ever win the A fight or C fight whenever PRX fight for it. The Ideal gameplan for G2 would be for them to play uncharacteristic and actually bring the fight to PRX. If G2 let PRX be as aggressive as they want and do not try to stamp back, it's just an inevitable losing game for G2. PRX might also switch to NEON and ISO/YORU on HAVEN with how broken it is on HAVEN. Running NEON, YORU, SOVA, CYPHER, OMEN is very strong on HAVEN, I highly doubt they did fix their HAVEN in time though.

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I think you're WAY underestimating how well G2 can deal with these "aggressive" styles.

G2's entire playbook for a lot of maps is literally just to never take fair fights. If PRX has just a tiny bit of bad spacing, G2 are going to punish, take and win a 2v1, and then should clean up. You yourself agree that PRX has overheating tendencies, which is EXACTLY what G2 love to see, as they can always punish with how coordinated they are.

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no way man, G2 are never going to win this series if they are consistently on the backfoot. PRX aren't like any other team that tries to be aggressive, they have mastered the skill. PRX will be on the back of your head no matter what. What I agreed to was PRX making bad decisions and having horrible tendencies such as not understanding positional advantages and disadvantageous. These tendencies mostly happen in attacking post plant situations. PRX taking the fight to G2 and trying to control/fight for extremities is not overheating at all. G2 are positional monsters and will punish you if you are reckless, but if you don't let G2 get these positions and have these advantageous its very hard for G2 to do anything at all. A great example of this would be the BIND defense side VS LEV, ASCENT vs LEV. When G2 isn't awarded specific key positions in certain maps they aren't able to do anything and are much more easily "readable" as you could say.

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PRX has the highest post plant win percentage in all of VCT during Stage Two(though TBF, it was only against APAC opponents.)

I'd say they've spent a lot of time learning post plants after they shit the bed in Shanghai. They definitely learned how to play post plants.

The problem I see is that sometimes, PRX will try to take the fight but either get hard read and/or lose gunfights. This isn't regionals, where they can just outaim their way out of disadvantages. Forcing fights is all well and good, but keep in mind all G2 did in their win during Shanghai was basically just sit for twenty seconds at the start and see where they pushed from. Unless they are slowing it down. they can't really win.

#44
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Agreed, im glad they improved their post plant protocols, in terms of the G2 vs PRX game in shanghai. I can only remember how many attack rounds they threw on LOTUS. PRX can 100% out aim and diff G2 but it will be very hard, Keep in mind they aren't dry swinging and will have great UTIL to back their fights. PRX aren't dumb and know how to take advantageous pushes/aggression. We will just have to see tmrw. Im glad we could have a great debate though, finally someone who is analytical and understands the game 🫡

#45
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I know right... It was very sad to watch...

I don't know about 100% out aim G2, they can shoot back pretty well, and icy may have his occasional life game again.

And thank you for that! You too :)

(Though I still think you're underestimating G2)

edit: oh, and in case you're curious, I would say 65/35 G2 as of right now. Unless PRX has fixed their map pool, I still see G2 winning. But PRX can just have life games and outaim the heck out of them. 1v2 means nothing if you kill them both first :)

#47
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G2 has improved since shanghai but they still have tendencies to choke just like PRX, if icy gets a life game it’s probably over 😭

#48
doomvor
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nah, PRX just has a life game right back

five aim demons > one aim demon + 4 somewhat aim demons

#50
catNmouse
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If trent starts playing like trexx or leo then yall better be careful, prx something himself said that trent is the player to look out for I think

#51
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yeah, but simple math:

five aim demons > one god demon + one aim demon + 3 somewhat aim demons :)

(okay i have no idea what i'm yapping about now)

#59
kalayav_n
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soo disappointing, props to G2 they kinda followed the gameplan and aren't afraid to fight PRX at all which is very smart. W gameplan but i expected more from PRX, hella disappointed 😭

#61
doomvor
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Yeah, this I'd why I was talking about how you underrated G2 way too much. Their coordination is crazy...

#63
kalayav_n
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i wouldnt say i underrated them tbh, i did have PRX as underdogs soley because of those throwing tendencies and they showed it today. tough loss for PRX

#64
doomvor
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I guess you could look at it that way.

It's okay, PRX will bounce back in the LB trust :)

#46
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W thread ngl, you redeemed yourself after the DZ slander last week. firepower is key but having a good strategic game plan and being able to execute it is just as important. We saw how PRX dominated G2 first half on split but they could have easily choked 2nd half too. I think that’s when G2 was able to gain momentum because if they got 12-0’d first half or 13-0’d then they would get destroyed. I don’t think they have the talon kind of mentality to bounce back like that. I think PRX are much more prepared against G2 HOWEVER G2 has significantly improved from shanghai. Either way this will be a good and fun match to watch, two extremely opposite play styles taking on each other. Also don’t forget both of these teams are big chokers so this could either be a stomp, a good game, or a long ass game. It just comes down to momentum anyways I yapped a lot for nothing

#49
kalayav_n
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all good bro you didnt yap, in terms of DZ nothing against DZ no hate towards them but i just love seeing underdogs win every single time. in terms of mentality, I think PRX have the best mentality in all of VCT, they are best friends and have fun no matter what. Its very important to have good morale in a team, Yes both teams are big chokers but PRX are only chokers because of bad tendencies and decisions. They have to have had fixed this theres no way, im 100% convinced they fixed the problems. It will be very fun game to watch tmrw

#52
doomvor
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It will be very fun game to watch tmrw

this is what everyone can agree on <3

#54
kalayav_n
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<3

#57
catNmouse
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I can see this being the best opening game if it goes to three maps.

#58
doomvor
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If it doesn't go to three maps, they both better be close or one team will have sorely disappointed

#53
catNmouse
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I can see where you’re going with PRX having the best mentality but I don’t exactly think that’s true, if I recall correctly alecks only timeouts in regional games to check on his players and see if they’re doing okay. I don’t know if there’s a guy on the team to reassure them in times of struggle. One thing for sure is that if sunset for some reason doesn’t get banned then G2 is done for lol

#55
doomvor
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PRX have looked so good on sunset, I have no idea how this sage comp isn't being countered yet...

But yeah, I agree, I don't think the mental applies to in game.

#56
kalayav_n
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i see that too but, forsaken is the leader of the team and i believe in him. he took them to champs last year, sunset is probably the first ban for G2 ngl.

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