My SEN take

Everyone was waiting for my take on SEN vs. GENG and let me just say... not surprised. Their only claim to fame is Master's Madrid, but let's take a look at the games:
SEN vs. TH: Barely scrape by
SEN vs. KC: It's Karmine Corp
SEN vs. Loud: Back when my boy Saadhak was going -30 in some games, does anyone actually think Loud is good in 2024?
SEN vs. GENG: Loss (get stomped on 2 maps)
SEN vs. PRX: I love PRX but I will never not count on this team to choke. The Leviathan of APAC.
SEN vs. GENG: scrape a win against a team formed 1 year ago, but still, good for them
Regular season: farmed wins against Loud, NRG, MIBR, and Furia to qualify for Champions

Anyway, we all know it's going to be GENG vs. G2 in the finals, what are your predictions for 2025?

this is just delusional on a whole another level

nihso [#2]

this is just delusional on a whole another level

As opposed to the SEN fans who ignore the signs of their team's fake rise in skill? I have not seen SEN dominate in years.

They look like toddlers compared to the top international teams. And I'm saying this as someone who wants SEN to succeed.

theres no coming back after losing to my crew, SEN downfall begins right about now

nihso [#2]

this is just delusional on a whole another level

YOU are delusional they had a lucky run in madrid didnt make it to shanghai and will get group staged. They stand no chance.

Everyone was waiting for my take on SEN vs. GENG

The whole site was losing sleep and years of life bro, thank god you finally posted your thoughts of that match on vlr.gg

ascention [#3]

As opposed to the SEN fans who ignore the signs of their team's fake rise in skill? I have not seen SEN dominate in years.

They look like toddlers compared to the top international teams. And I'm saying this as someone who wants SEN to succeed.

discrediting their masters win by saying "barely scaped by" is delusional and you know it. you can say they fell off but back then they were on.

Barely scrape by

yeah this was basically their whole run from kick-off to madrid win lol, that's why it was great

nihso [#7]

discrediting their masters win by saying "barely scaped by" is delusional and you know it. you can say they fell off but back then they were on.

It's not discrediting, it's just a fact. In the first game of the bracket, they nearly lost to TH in a 13-11 game. The map before, they got stomped 13-5. They were doing good, but not so good that we should be singing their praises.

Name a team in the entire world that was better than SEN at the time of Madrid. You can't, end of discussion.

Was it Lucky? No.
Was it Deserved? Yes.
Did they clearly fall off as the season went on? Yes.
Has Gen.G been better later on? Yes.
Has Gen.G had a better year? Yes.

There is nothing else to discuss
Now lets stop making pointless threads

jawn [#8]

Barely scrape by

yeah this was basically their whole run from kick-off to madrid win lol, that's why it was great

I completely agree, I was there for almost the whole thing. The point is that I see people thinking this somehow means they aren't in the bottom half of teams this Champions.

ascention [#11]

I completely agree, I was there for almost the whole thing. The point is that I see people thinking this somehow means they aren't in the bottom half of teams this Champions.

next game decides that

jawn [#12]

next game decides that

I have them beating FPX and losing to TH.

ascention [#13]

I have them beating FPX and losing to TH.

if they beat FPX they also beat TH, they would have to massively troll map picks

skibiditoiletfanhuge [#5]

YOU are delusional they had a lucky run in madrid didnt make it to shanghai and will get group staged. They stand no chance.

i fw ur name but they didnt have a lucky run in madrid they actually played well

DRX vs GENG finals we run it back from pacific finals. all maps go to OT and it will be sensational. you guys are NOT ready for DRX domination. also they are all angry from being defamed from the fake scandal, so they will be stronger than ever. just watch in a few hours now.

Yuh_aye [#10]

Name a team in the entire world that was better than SEN at the time of Madrid. You can't, end of discussion.

Was it Lucky? No.
Was it Deserved? Yes.
Did they clearly fall off as the season went on? Yes.
Has Gen.G been better later on? Yes.
Has Gen.G had a better year? Yes.

There is nothing else to discuss
Now lets stop making pointless threads

Gen G was better back in Madrid honestly, they choked and played a really bad game in the grand finals

everyone on sen went negative except for johnqt vs loud who had 3 positive 2 guys that were neutral

YetiToBeDiscovered [#17]

Gen G was better back in Madrid honestly, they choked and played a really bad game in the grand finals

If they weren't better when it was time to finally decide who's the best (with map advantage), then they weren't better

Yuh_aye [#19]

If they weren't better when it was time to finally decide who's the best (with map advantage), then they weren't better

Good thing a team's skill isn't based on a single game, despite what all of VLR seems to think.

Saying SEN is scraping by far too many games and then expectedly losing isn't hating, it's recognizing a pattern.

YetiToBeDiscovered [#17]

Gen G was better back in Madrid honestly, they choked and played a really bad game in the grand finals

No, they weren't. They didn't choke, SEN had really good prep for the match and played better.

Case in point: SEN had 11/12 first kills on the first half of breeze and ended 6-6. On GENG's best map. They were consistently choking clutches, man advantages, and the pistols. GENG got lucky to win that map, and SEN had insane improvement despite getting stomped earlier.

They literally won against GENG and had the toughest road to win Madrid. 1000+ rounds of valorant on stage in two months. What more did they need to do to prove they were the better team at the time?

ascention [#20]

Good thing a team's skill isn't based on a single game, despite what all of VLR seems to think.

Saying SEN is scraping by far too many games and then expectedly losing isn't hating, it's recognizing a pattern.

if you "scrap by on far too many games" maybe its called knowing how to close games? how many close match wins do you need to realize there's a reason why they always win at the end? closing out games is part of the game and they were the best at it in Madrid

lxolotl [#15]

i fw ur name but they didnt have a lucky run in madrid they actually played well

yeah but now they are washed :(

skibiditoiletfanhuge [#23]

yeah but now they are washed :(

yes

ascention [#9]

It's not discrediting, it's just a fact. In the first game of the bracket, they nearly lost to TH in a 13-11 game. The map before, they got stomped 13-5. They were doing good, but not so good that we should be singing their praises.

it was first game for both the squads on lan. you acting like team heretics didnt just go to shanghai grand final so obviously they had the skill to beat us but didnt