he was just spitting straight facts he is nowhere near the best duelist itw rare honest moment from NA.
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idkmanwth [#2]he's top 3 for sure (in NA chat why am i getting downvoted)
Top 3 in NA sure but not even top 5 global
idkmanwth [#2]he's top 3 for sure (in NA chat why am i getting downvoted)
Victor
Aspas
Jawgemo
i don't see zekken being anywhere near this top 3
idkmanwth [#2]he's top 3 for sure (in NA chat why am i getting downvoted)
bro got hard diffed by icy 💀
TSMC [#5]he is quite clearly up there with aspas and a tier above t3xture
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idkmanwth [#2]he's top 3 for sure (in NA chat why am i getting downvoted)
Zekken off raze is a bottom tier duelist
TSMC [#5]he is quite clearly up there with aspas and a tier above t3xture
the hopium sen fan's have is a different level he legit got diffed by icy in the most important match for champs get him past icy and then we will talk about how he can be on the same tier maybe lower than texture
meowchan [#11]a tier above t3xtureYou meant to say below?
https://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf
no i think he means above
thwifo_fan [#16]https://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf
no i think he means above
mickey mouse fluke run by shitinels
humble_y0y_10k [#17]mickey mouse fluke run by shitinels
shanghai was the real mickey mouse tourney, and fnatic still didn't win a match😭
thwifo_fan [#16]https://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf
no i think he means above
Sen fan still stuck in the past lmao
TSMC [#15]recency bias is crazy
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User TSMC threads (dangerous retard do not interact)
ZANEy [#18]Bro had one bad game and the clowns came out of their cave wait a little he will send you back to where you came from
I'm just saying i respect him for his honesty unlike other NA dogs that overrate themselves
laeDLaer [#3]Top 3 in NA sure but not even top 5 global
aspas texture and who else? He's for sure top 5, and he's not 5.
humble_y0y_10k [#17]mickey mouse fluke run by shitinels
no way your talking about mickey mouse when fnatic won lock-in and tokyo
2 of the biggest mickeys mouse tourneys ever
thwifo_fan [#26]no way your talking about mickey mouse when fnatic won lock-in and tokyo
2 of the biggest mickeys mouse tourneys ever
2 of the biggest mickeys mouse tourneys ever
Bro forgot reykjavik 21 and madrid
humble_y0y_10k [#23]I'm just saying i respect him for his honesty unlike other NA dogs that overrate themselves
semen1 catching strays
thwifo_fan [#26]no way your talking about mickey mouse when fnatic won lock-in and tokyo
2 of the biggest mickeys mouse tourneys ever
lock-in hardest tournament in valorant
and tokyo had a lot of good teams
nice try
humble_y0y_10k [#9]bro got hard diffed by icy 💀
when will ppl realize icy IS good. he fits in the team so well clearly. you could have a better raze but not to be flexible on the gekko etc.
thwifo_fan [#16]https://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf
no i think he means above
https://www.vlr.gg/312778/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-ubf
https://www.vlr.gg/314640/sentinels-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w3
https://www.vlr.gg/353201/sentinels-vs-g2-esports-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-2-w4
https://www.vlr.gg/314629/sentinels-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w2
https://www.vlr.gg/314645/sentinels-vs-loud-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w4
get him to be the best duelist in regionals then we will talk about him being above texture lol
btw i am zekken fan 3rd favorite duelist player but saying he is a TIER above texture is crazy
jixk [#31]https://www.vlr.gg/312778/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-ubf
https://www.vlr.gg/314640/sentinels-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w3
https://www.vlr.gg/353201/sentinels-vs-g2-esports-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-2-w4
https://www.vlr.gg/314629/sentinels-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w2
https://www.vlr.gg/314645/sentinels-vs-loud-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w4
get him to be the best duelist in regionals then we will talk about him being above texture lol
btw i am zekken fan 3rd favorite duelist player but saying he is a TIER above texture is crazy
why dont u link the grand final of sen vs geng
oiiink [#39]why dont u link the grand final of sen vs geng
the guy i replied to linked it if you are saying it as a argument for why texture < zekken where was he in shanghai and plus texture doesn't get diffed in important regional matches
alchemy02 [#24]aspas texture and who else? He's for sure top 5, and he's not 5.
Derke sayf and something along with the 2 you mentioned.
Based on Current Form
- Aspas
- T3xture
- Derke
- Jawgemo
- Zekken
- Jingg
- Sayf
- Keznit
- cNed
- Oxy
I was tempted to include a TH player but Wo0t has been on the decline and back on flex while miniboo is looking like a “system duelist.” Jawgemo is the only one not to have made playoffs but he’s also got the weakest support system while still popping off — showing his championship Raze and Neon abuse. I’m pretty high on Sayf but he’s struggling with the same thing.
Praying Icy finds consistency with his form from yesterday because G2 would look like an absolute favorite at champs if he does.
Ultia [#42]Based on Current Form
- Aspas
- T3xture
- Derke
- Jawgemo
- Zekken
- Jingg
- Sayf
- Keznit
- cNed
- Oxy
I was tempted to include a TH player but Wo0t has been on the decline and back on flex while miniboo is looking like a “system duelist.” Jawgemo is the only one not to have made playoffs but he’s also got the weakest support system while still popping off — showing his championship Raze and Neon abuse. I’m pretty high on Sayf but he’s struggling with the same thing.
Praying Icy finds consistency with his form from yesterday because G2 would look like an absolute favorite at champs if he does.
i heavily dislike making duelist tier lists its so inconsistent aspas is the best duelist all time and he got diffed by cned and valyn's life game and it gets worse and worse for the duelist that arent the greatest of all time (aspas) so on some days derke looks like a fraud and on other days u think maybe he is top 10 but lower (tbh i think u overrated derke EU has alot crazy duelist on somedays he isn't the even the best raze on his team)
but u can make a argument for all these guys to be top duelists ranking them except aspas is really hard depending on how texture performs u might not even have that
overall 8/10 tier list cned/oxy are replaceable tho
jixk [#31]https://www.vlr.gg/312778/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-ubf
https://www.vlr.gg/314640/sentinels-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w3
https://www.vlr.gg/353201/sentinels-vs-g2-esports-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-2-w4
https://www.vlr.gg/314629/sentinels-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w2
https://www.vlr.gg/314645/sentinels-vs-loud-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w4
get him to be the best duelist in regionals then we will talk about him being above texture lol
btw i am zekken fan 3rd favorite duelist player but saying he is a TIER above texture is crazy
i dont know what this has to do with anything considering that these are the very few rare matches that he underperformed
i dont think hes a tier above texture but i believe hes on the same level
laeDLaer [#41]Derke sayf and something along with the 2 you mentioned.
EU bias for sure, derke and sayf have been good as always but haven't done anything noteworthy all year, something I can see an argument for, but personally have him at 4 or 5. Zekken has been consistent the whole year, won a trophy as MVP, highest rated player in Americas currently. One bad game and everybody loses their minds lmao.
thwifo_fan [#44]i dont know what this has to do with anything considering that these are the very few rare matches that he underperformed
i dont think hes a tier above texture but i believe hes on the same level
i agree 100% they are on the same tier (i think most people prefer texture since his performance doesn't slip when he swaps between jett/raze) he is in the same tier usually on this site when someone goes in a direction you go in the oppsite so you can meet eye to eye saying he is above is crazy tho and let's be real everyone on geng under performed in that GF (not discrediting sen it was just there first GF and maybe first event if im remembering correctly)
laeDLaer [#41]Derke sayf and something along with the 2 you mentioned.
D0rke-Bombed out the last LAN he made/Leo and Alfa clear
Sayf-He’s cool
flanador [#48]D0rke-Bombed out the last LAN he made/Leo and Alfa clear
Sayf-He’s cool
Derke was the best player in fnatic for their 2 games at Shanghai and he’s the #1 rated player in all of EU rn. 0/8
jixk [#43]i heavily dislike making duelist tier lists its so inconsistent aspas is the best duelist all time and he got diffed by cned and valyn's life game and it gets worse and worse for the duelist that arent the greatest of all time (aspas) so on some days derke looks like a fraud and on other days u think maybe he is top 10 but lower (tbh i think u overrated derke EU has alot crazy duelist on somedays he isn't the even the best raze on his team)
but u can make a argument for all these guys to be top duelists ranking them except aspas is really hard depending on how texture performs u might not even have that
overall 8/10 tier list cned/oxy are replaceable tho
Appreciate it man.
I rated Derke highly because he’s stepped up quite a bit since Leo’s gone and looks quite good. He’s also got the tenure to prove his consistency.
I admit that I believe Americas has the majority of world class entries simply because of IGL role structures that results in EMEA fostering Initiators and Sentinels while APAC favors Flexes.
The following players are Top Tier Entries while the rest could be considered region farmers.
AMER: Aspas | Jawgemo | Zekken | Keznit
EMEA: Derke | Sayf
APAC : T3xture | Jingg
9th and 10th are up for debate but every list should include these 8 in some order.
Ultia [#50]Appreciate it man.
I rated Derke highly because he’s stepped up quite a bit since Leo’s gone and looks quite good. He’s also got the tenure to prove his consistency.
I admit that I believe Americas has the majority of world class entries simply because of IGL role structures that results in EMEA fostering Initiators and Sentinels while APAC favors Flexes.
The following players are Top Tier Entries while the rest could be considered region farmers.
AMER: Aspas | Jawgemo | Zekken | Keznit
EMEA: Derke | Sayf
APAC : T3xture | Jingg
9th and 10th are up for debate but every list should include these 8 in some order.
it makes sense that americas has the majority of the world class entries and honestly you did great since your list only has one entry who splits the role (jingg) and i think he gets it cause he got the legacy of being the best raze itw and the rest are the main entries and honestly i haven't watched the recent FNC games with context its honestly the best tier list i have seen on the site 10/10 honestly cned and oxy aren't even bad picks you could lowkey get icy in there if your tier list is entry players honestly wouldn't invest too much into cned since his raze is shaky and im very optimistic about icy since SEN is a good win
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