sacy vs pANcada

Why did SEN get rid of pANcada instead of sacy? pANcada was literally the Champs 2022 MVP ! Also, he was playing really good on '23 SEN, specially on smokes!

Don't talk to me about roles. Players can always learn new roles, specially in offseason. TenZ, zekken, johnQT were all playing different roles when they started their pro valorant careers.
I am just wondering because pANcada ceiling was so high and he was learning english and his comms weren't even half bad it felt like. I bet there are mixed nationality teams with worse commers

Bro they already tried pancada senti, now u want him to play int??? Just let him play controller on a diff team.
Also zekken and johnqt are not playing diff roles..

Sacy just had that MAMBA mentality, He had to discipline less like the dog he is.
Sacy is needed on sen to humble those frauds. Little pANcada cannot do that bc he has no aura.

AstroTate.

number1_cned_hater [#2]

Bro they already tried pancada senti, now u want him to play int??? Just let him play controller on a diff team.
Also zekken and johnqt are not playing diff roles..

pretty sure he wants t0nz to transition to init instead of smokes

blud was not mvp

Tryeue2 [#4]

pretty sure he wants t0nz to transition to init instead of smokes

when did I say that?

AstroGalaxy [#3]

Sacy just had that MAMBA mentality, He had to discipline less like the dog he is.
Sacy is needed on sen to humble those frauds. Little pANcada cannot do that bc he has no aura.

AstroTate.

Bro said pANcada has no aura LMAO. pANcada is literally that guy! Watch his '23 run. He was LOUDs second best player.

Because they value TenZ over a top 3 smokes player

Rey55 [#7]

Bro said pANcada has no aura LMAO. pANcada is literally that guy! Watch his '23 run. He was LOUDs second best player.

pancada's aura was left in the clubs

teilwal [#5]

blud was not mvp

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022

why do you lie?

Rey55 [#10]

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022

why do you lie?

https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/Statistics

lie is bad

TM06Nick [#8]

Because they value TenZ over a top 3 smokes player

They could have just put tenz on flex. He's the flex player anyway and johnQT can play literally anything.

Rey55 [#6]

when did I say that?

thatd be logical you mentioned tenz changing roles so i drew that inference mb king

teilwal [#11]

https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/Statistics

lie is bad

liquipedia MVPs are not official. It's upto interpretation and most people would say pANcada was their best player in champs

sacy has better english

AstroGalaxy [#9]

pancada's aura was left in the clubs

That's just brazilian vibe. Neymar was that type of party freak too, doesn't mean you should bench him at his prime. pANcada is 2x the player s0cy is.

Sacy English>pANcada English

Tryeue2 [#13]

thatd be logical you mentioned tenz changing roles so i drew that inference mb king

I mentioned 3 players to prove a point that role change wouldn't have been a huge issue specially when they have such versatile players like johnQT,tenz and zekken. They should have just kept pANcada for the caliber of player he is.

''Players can always learn new roles'' = pancada playing like a tier 3 sentinel player

Rey55 [#14]

liquipedia MVPs are not official. It's upto interpretation and most people would say pANcada was their best player in champs

im p sure liquipedia puts what riot officially says was mvp

Sacy was far better than pancada throughout 23

I actually don’t understand how pancada gets so overrated, he was just a solid player in a goated roster that made him look even better while in loud, but he was never the machine people make him out to be. Fns himself said pancada only managed to be as good as he was on loud because less enabled him

Because Sacy always been the second caller on his team and pANcada is a quiet guy, he doesn't speak that much
Sentinels felt they need someone more active and pANcada was the one who talk less (it is not because he doesn't speak english, he is like that in portuguese as well)

because if you want a champion team sacy is the better piece that you can get, guy does literally everything inside and outside the server

Xabrusca [#19]

''Players can always learn new roles'' = pancada playing like a tier 3 sentinel player

His senti was getting better. He was shit at the beginning because he switched him to senti mid split. He had a mean cypher and viper but KJ was a odd ball. I can't blame him

you make it sound like pros can change roles overnight, massive oversimplification

lorenzopajaroFC [#21]

Sacy was far better than pancada throughout 23

I actually don’t understand how pancada gets so overrated, he was just a solid player in a goated roster that made him look even better while in loud, but he was never the machine people make him out to be. Fns himself said pancada only managed to be as good as he was on loud because less enabled him

Why are we lying though? sacy was very mid and inconsistent the whole year. he was literally their worst player in copenhagen

shzuo [#22]

Because Sacy always been the second caller on his team and pANcada is a quiet guy, he doesn't speak that much
Sentinels felt they need someone more active and pANcada was the one who talk less (it is not because he doesn't speak english, he is like that in portuguese as well)

sacy barely calls on SEN. He makes the most mistakes, idk how he can be the second caller. If he is then I understand why SEN is so shit

Vortax [#25]

you make it sound like pros can change roles overnight, massive oversimplification

Players can always learn new roles, specially in offseason. TenZ, zekken, johnQT were all playing different roles when they started their pro valorant careers.

never said 'overnight'

Rey55 [#26]

Why are we lying though? sacy was very mid and inconsistent the whole year. he was literally their worst player in copenhagen

Calling him their worst in Copenhagen doesn't mean much. they were just not good in Copenhagen. That's like saying "aspas was not very good in Tokyo, therefore he is not very good". Also he was not mid in 2022. i can understand you saying he was mid in 2023, but not 2022

Rey55 [#28]

Players can always learn new roles, specially in offseason. TenZ, zekken, johnQT were all playing different roles when they started their pro valorant careers.

never said 'overnight'

yes but you make it sound easy when it isn't, and is pointless when you have a proven role that you're good at. What if I told you that, say, aspas should switch to smokes and join NRG as a replacement for Marved? Skill in one role does not alwasy translate to another

Vortax [#30]

yes but you make it sound easy when it isn't, and is pointless when you have a proven role that you're good at. What if I told you that, say, aspas should switch to smokes and join NRG as a replacement for Marved? Skill in one role does not alwasy translate to another

tenz plays flex now anyways so nothing would have changed. They just needed to bench sacy and find a better initiator, or keep both him and pANc and if they really needed Zellsis, just make him learn ini cz zellsis can play anything. He would have been better than sacy anyway + vibe merchant.
Role swaps happened on this team anyway as i mentioned earlier. They literally put their aspas on smokes and he's now one of the best smokes+flex player, so it's not a far off idea on SEN

Rey55 [#31]

tenz plays flex now anyways so nothing would have changed. They just needed to bench sacy and find a better initiator, or keep both him and pANc and if they really needed Zellsis, just make him learn ini cz zellsis can play anything. He would have been better than sacy anyway + vibe merchant.
Role swaps happened on this team anyway as i mentioned earlier. They literally put their aspas on smokes and he's now one of the best smokes+flex player, so it's not a far off idea on SEN

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Failure to qualify for Shanghai was never a player issue, just burnout.

Rey55 [#26]

Why are we lying though? sacy was very mid and inconsistent the whole year. he was literally their worst player in copenhagen

He was Their Second best player on that team Bro, u cant be serious

Vortax [#29]

Calling him their worst in Copenhagen doesn't mean much. they were just not good in Copenhagen. That's like saying "aspas was not very good in Tokyo, therefore he is not very good". Also he was not mid in 2022. i can understand you saying he was mid in 2023, but not 2022

I will never get this sacy overrating from yall. His PR must be crazy in the BR scene cause in terms of actual valorant performance he isn't even a top 5 brazilian player. Stop making excuses for him.

Rey55 [#34]

I will never get this sacy overrating from yall. His PR must be crazy in the BR scene cause in terms of actual valorant performance he isn't even a top 5 brazilian player. Stop making excuses for him.

Brazilian scene? mf I live in Alaska. I'm just not blind

Vortax [#35]

Brazilian scene? mf I live in Alaska. I'm just not blind

Be serious. Where do you rank sacy in all time initiators list. None of that trophy bullshit. Just straight capability and performance wise

teilwal [#20]

im p sure liquipedia puts what riot officially says was mvp

riot doesnt award mvp. Some unofficials said pANcada was the mvp.

Vortax [#32]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Failure to qualify for Shanghai was never a player issue, just burnout.

sacy was one of the issues tbh. Even in kickoff, blud was playing like a crypto thrower. His trading is bad, aims like a tremor patient, just cycles utility like a hard coded AI, misses flashes all the time( remember that flash peek into hookah against EG, happens often). I could go on and on.
Leo, eeiu, davai, trent, riens any of these guys on this SEN roster and they would have won madrid, and made SH easily. no doubt in my mind

Liwus [#37]

riot doesnt award mvp. Some unofficials said pANcada was the mvp.

Riot does award MVP's. Zeek, Aspas, and Demon1 all got MVP for their respective wins. pAncada got an MVP from THESPIKEGG which is not an official Riot MVP obviously.

EDIT: I don't think Riot does never mind(unless someone has other info)
Tweet from FLYNVAL: https://twitter.com/FlynVAL/status/1707788373954273682?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1707788373954273682%7Ctwgr%5Ee6842e71abfbb9524afc14e964451fb22469e0fa%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2F16vhnqx%2F%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue

Rey55 [#36]

Be serious. Where do you rank sacy in all time initiators list. None of that trophy bullshit. Just straight capability and performance wise

here's my top 10

1. leo
2. Crashies (definitely bias)
3. Shao
4. Chronicle
5. Ethan
6. davai
7. Zest
8. Sacy
9. Qraxs
10. Trent

After [#39]

Riot does award MVP's. Zeek, Aspas, and Demon1 all got MVP for their respective wins. pAncada got an MVP from THESPIKEGG which is not an official Riot MVP obviously.

EDIT: I don't think Riot does never mind(unless someone has other info)
Tweet from FLYNVAL: https://twitter.com/FlynVAL/status/1707788373954273682?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1707788373954273682%7Ctwgr%5Ee6842e71abfbb9524afc14e964451fb22469e0fa%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2F16vhnqx%2F%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue

aspas won mvp for his performance in the grand finals, not the whole tournament

Vortax [#40]

here's my top 10

1. leo
2. Crashies (definitely bias)
3. Shao
4. Chronicle
5. Ethan
6. davai
7. Zest
8. Sacy
9. Qraxs
10. Trent

trent much better. You are forgetting riens and eeiu.
Now think about it. You are okay with a player who isn't even a top 10 scan initiator right now, playing on a team that strives to be a top 3 team? The budget, the expectation from fans, they literally strive to be the top dogs!

both of them got carried by aspas, Less, and Saadhak.

Rey55 [#26]

Why are we lying though? sacy was very mid and inconsistent the whole year. he was literally their worst player in copenhagen

I said he was better than pancada on sentinels bro work on your reading comprehension

It’s also pretty obvious you only started watching Val in mid 2022

Peteer [#33]

He was Their Second best player on that team Bro, u cant be serious

On sentinels? On loud?

Either way the answer is no he definitely wasn’t

Rey55 [#42]

trent much better. You are forgetting riens and eeiu.
Now think about it. You are okay with a player who isn't even a top 10 scan initiator right now, playing on a team that strives to be a top 3 team? The budget, the expectation from fans, they literally strive to be the top dogs!

right now? that was an all time list. Also, team chem is far more important than individual skill. For proof, look no further than NRG

Vortax [#46]

right now? that was an all time list. Also, team chem is far more important than individual skill. For proof, look no further than NRG

NRG doesn't even have an IGL. Player quality matters even if they don't have the 'name'. If someone whiffs 80p of their favorable kills, it gets really hard for a team to win.
Also, you can't measure synergy that way. One player doesn't define synergy. Sacy literally looks like the oddball on SEN. You can't never say for sure obviously but I think SEN would be a much much better team without him and it's not even just about frags.

Rey55 [#38]

sacy was one of the issues tbh. Even in kickoff, blud was playing like a crypto thrower. His trading is bad, aims like a tremor patient, just cycles utility like a hard coded AI, misses flashes all the time( remember that flash peek into hookah against EG, happens often). I could go on and on.
Leo, eeiu, davai, trent, riens any of these guys on this SEN roster and they would have won madrid, and made SH easily. no doubt in my mind

fair point about NRG but agree to disagree about everything else

lorenzopajaroFC [#44]

I said he was better than pancada on sentinels bro work on your reading comprehension

It’s also pretty obvious you only started watching Val in mid 2022

But he wasn't! sacy was SENs worst player by FAR in 2023.

StalwartTiger_35 [#15]

sacy has better english

Imagine getting into a team that drains money like no other and demands to be one of the best teams if not the best just because you have better English! LMAO that's laughable.
Sentinels roster building for you

Rey55 [#49]

But he wasn't! sacy was SENs worst player by FAR in 2023.

Lmao clearly you’ve got something personal against him or you’re just making up your own reality, the stats and games are right there go check them out

Sacy is like a mini coach. He made zellsis cry

Liwus [#37]

riot doesnt award mvp. Some unofficials said pANcada was the mvp.

i think its the mvp of the grand final match is mvp

Rey55 [#18]

I mentioned 3 players to prove a point that role change wouldn't have been a huge issue specially when they have such versatile players like johnQT,tenz and zekken. They should have just kept pANcada for the caliber of player he is.

not every player can change roles like tenz though, and tenz playstyle was always the best as support

Pancada is a clown dude, couldn't communicate properly with the team and then when they won masters he didn't even congratulate them or even acknowledge it. There's a reason he's still not playing.

cioccolat [#52]

Sacy is like a mini coach. He made zellsis cry

He was waffling because he knew he cost them the split. You saw how he was repeatedly saying, we need to stick together blah blah without actually saying something of substance? He knows he is running on favor from kaplan

lorenzopajaroFC [#51]

Lmao clearly you’ve got something personal against him or you’re just making up your own reality, the stats and games are right there go check them out

nothing personal. why would I have anything personal against someone that I don't know personally and who doesn't know me. He only had two good series against Loud and Mibr, in rest of the games he was terrible.
But i understand why you only remember those 2 series.

Rey55 [#50]

Imagine getting into a team that drains money like no other and demands to be one of the best teams if not the best just because you have better English! LMAO that's laughable.
Sentinels roster building for you

you asked why they kept sacy over pancada, the answer is simple. pancada's english was not good enough to play on an english speaking team. while he is very talented, it doesn't make up for the fact that his comms just weren't what the team needed. you mention roles, do you remember what happened when they took pancada off of smokes? maybe he could play initiator, but what's the point in signing a world champ mvp smokes player just to have him play a role he's subpar at would be a complete waste. sacy on the other hand gets to keep his role while also comming well.