I think viper is cooked

Vipers pickrate in ranked was already so bad but now they just made her basically unpickable. atp harbor is better in ranked because at least he can move his smokes around different choke points. Clearly this was targeted for the VCT scene but they need to remember this game has players outside of that as well. Her wall is immovable, now her orb is immovable, and one of her strongest delay util is just cooked and is a one time thing.
What they should have done was maybe swap the wall and the orb abilities, made the mollies weaker like reducing the duration or making the vulnerability only come in after a second or 2, or maybe even make her orb smaller or do less damage. Just saying, viper is not gonna be played almost at all in ranked and harbor will probably become more played now. Turns out bleeds icebox comp could've been reasonable if it was after this patch LOL

quick thoughts on cypher: I think that it's a good change but the yoru ult cypher cam thing is abit overkill. they should just make the traps not Regen but keep everything else

Her kit is kinda mid now tbh

Orb change is fucked and esp the molly change

But you still need her for breeze and lotus

if cypher cam makes sound when you are being watched it would be annoying af

nah fuck viper and cypher, games with them are so boring and dull

umm guys can someone link me the changes ... ?

valor leaks showed the cypher changes but not viper ones

Still think this doesn't change much tbh. She's still needed on many maps

The issue with viper is that she possess such a valuable niche in pro play.
However the value of viper does not translate that well in ranked, mainly because macro is not as important.

I understand the nerfs , although I think they lower the skill ceiling in her kit and make viper way less interesting.
The concept of being able to use the orb to slowly take space over time was cool.