putting aside burnout and having too many vods on every single map, surely they are praccing on different comps currently and they are trying to use old comps to clinch a spot right? sliggy said he would do that if he were on SEN because it makes a lot of sense to not show your new comps right now and save it for either shanghai or if you dont make it, you can use it for split 2/champs
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Nutzzz [#2]Who cars ,go sleep man
it's morning plus I dont wanna see this terrible version of SEN making playoffs and somehow luck their way into shanghai and get obliterated by a team there
i think many ppl put to much negativity into having vods out there. you can throw everything out the window from vods just by changing protocols. not sure why they would make new comps after winning madrid and no nerfs/buffs. maybe they are experimenting but some half assed comp is not going to be some saving grace with how they are playing
Sometimes it's just not that serious. They would have won either the LEV or EG series if they didn't have so many tremor aim moments. Against Loud they genuinely played like shit because the past 2 losses tanked their confidence. But LEV and EG series were winnable. I saw some of the worst possible whiffs from Sacy and Zellsis in those 2 matches, choking 5v3s, 4v2s. It's an FPS game after all.
tuffybass [#4]i think many ppl put to much negativity into having vods out there. you can throw everything out the window from vods just by changing protocols. not sure why they would make new comps after winning madrid and no nerfs/buffs. maybe they are experimenting but some half assed comp is not going to be some saving grace with how they are playing
they have been changing a lot of their protocols but I think most teams just avoid split and I am talking about literally just stealing comps, not cooking some half assed comp. SEN have pretty flexible players and they could play a variety of comps and with their current comps it seems they are limited to what they can do which is hurting them especially since doing the same things on the same maps over and over again could add to the burn out that they are experiencing (for example, Zellsis is getting very lazy in terms of just being patient and dying a lot of the times when he should be trying to stay alive and his gunplay has taken a blow as well)
Rey55 [#6]Sometimes it's just not that serious. They would have won either the LEV or EG series if they didn't have so many tremor aim moments. Against Loud they genuinely played like shit because the past 2 losses tanked their confidence. But LEV and EG series were winnable. I saw some of the worst possible whiffs from Sacy and Zellsis in those 2 matches, choking 5v3s, 4v2s. It's an FPS game after all.
that contributes too but its a known factor that you have to constantly change if you want to stay at the top of valorant (TH are constantly changing stuff around) and yes I do agree that their chem seems to be not as good and they are unable to do stuff together and their retakes have taken a huge blow but still maybe a breath of fresh air could help them
Skoepdoep2 [#8]Sen cant win anymore. as in they have no way to make it to playoffs
that's not the point I'm trying to make at all
noxx [#10]that contributes too but its a known factor that you have to constantly change if you want to stay at the top of valorant (TH are constantly changing stuff around) and yes I do agree that their chem seems to be not as good and they are unable to do stuff together and their retakes have taken a huge blow but still maybe a breath of fresh air could help them
yes that helps but reinventing things and changing constantly is very tedious and not easy at all. If you are a good team you just have to guy diff sometimes to make it to playoffs or intl. stage at least and then pull out your good stuff. Look at the TH roster. benjy, riens, woot, miniboo and even boo all of these guys can diff anyone in the server and they can win just by scrapping as a fire ball.
Rey55 [#12]yes that helps but reinventing things and changing constantly is very tedious and not easy at all. If you are a good team you just have to guy diff sometimes to make it to playoffs or intl. stage at least and then pull out your good stuff. Look at the TH roster. benjy, riens, woot, miniboo and even boo all of these guys can diff anyone in the server and they can win just by scrapping as a fire ball.
that is true but you can say the same for fnc, they have THE GUYS but are barely scrapping by so I also think chem/form is a big thing but as for TH they are changing their comps and trying out different playstyles and SEN had the chance to do that, not saying that they had to do it because they clearly had other issues to fix but I would've liked to see them change their lotus comp or trying something new on bind (yes im aware they just changed from yoru to gekko but the yoru omen stuff was actually legit)
noxx [#11]that's not the point I'm trying to make at all
its useless to think about what strats they are saving. whats the use of saving them if you cant make it to Shanghai.
Unless they dont care about Shanghai en just want to make it to champs which is basically guaranteed.
Its just stupid to save strats, they could have use 1 new comp to just win 1 more game to give them more of a safety net. now they lost to EG and the worst LOUD we have ever had
titanwithpp [#14]Burnout has to be the biggest COPE reason, literally GENG and PRX were in similar boat but atleast they qualified for playoffs
the difference is SEN have been praccing from the time of champs 2023 and they have far more rounds played than GENG and PRX, they also lost games but lets be real here americas mid/top is at a higher level than pacific especially LEV and even EG are looking as sharp as ever plus i do not care if people think its cope, SEN have 2 titles and it'd be good if they get a break to settle things and get back into form
Skoepdoep2 [#15]its useless to think about what strats they are saving. whats the use of saving them if you cant make it to Shanghai.
Unless they dont care about Shanghai en just want to make it to champs which is basically guaranteed.Its just stupid to save strats, they could have use 1 new comp to just win 1 more game to give them more of a safety net. now they lost to EG and the worst LOUD we have ever had
I'm not saying they are saving strats, I'm curious if they are trying out any new comps at all I'm basically going off of what sliggy said, he said that if he were the coach of SEN he would run the same shit on matches but prac different and new stuff and if they make shanghai they make shanghai if they dont then they can easily get a spot for champs considering they already have a lot of points and they can bring in an entirely new look and playstyle (not gimmicky stuff, reliable comps) which will throw a lot of the teams off
noxx [#17]I'm not saying they are saving strats, I'm curious if they are trying out any new comps at all I'm basically going off of what sliggy said, he said that if he were the coach of SEN he would run the same shit on matches but prac different and new stuff and if they make shanghai they make shanghai if they dont then they can easily get a spot for champs considering they already have a lot of points and they can bring in an entirely new look and playstyle (not gimmicky stuff, reliable comps) which will throw a lot of the teams off
If Kaplan is doing that then they dont give a shit about going to Shanghai. its just weird. they didnt just look bad. they looked like shit, pure shit.
As a SEN fan wouldn't you want to see a better version of them even with old comps that people can anti strat? i'd rather see them make a real attempt at Shanghai and dont get to play offs there then what now happened
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