Bleed not even playing bad

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Psion

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they got 4th at madrid
have beaten the #1 team in the world
and their only losses are to #2 /#3(PRX & GenG) and #4 (NRG)
that is not underperforming....
underperforming is not getting at least 3rd/4th at an event

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The_Cleg

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The guy is just yapping. Talking about underperforming for a team who lost the best player itw and still getting top 4 in a int lan...
Leave him alone

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Psion

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if we don't try to educate people we won't get anywhere lol

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The_Cleg

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U r just gonna lose time. Trust me Ive been there

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Psion

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i have plenty of time to lose brother, i've got more time to lose than fnatic has games to lose

#39

The_Cleg

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Bro did NOT have to cook my team this hard😭😭😭

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Psion

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i didn't know how else to quantify it im sorry lmaoo

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champ2k21

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Mate you should'nt be talking right now im trying to explain what i meant when i said they were "underperfoming".

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champ2k21

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kickoff results dont mean shit they got doggystyled by sen later on.And they got 4th in a tournament that had only 8 teams by the way, two of which are china which are literally free wins(unless ur paper rex who likes to throw)

Again, what i meant by them underperforming was that they're not at their level anymore i dont think they'll even make top 4 in shanghai

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they are literally 5-5 vs SEN on maps total, and in the series at madrid they were +19 on kills even after losing map 1 13-4.
you act like only 8 teams could've made madrid, they got 4th out of 8 teams who each got top 2 out of 11 teams

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you dodged my main point again.Just because KC and TH qualified doesnt mean they're EMEAs best, when you had teams like NAVI maybe FUT too who could've qualified too.And TH got shit on by vitality and same thing with KC by the hands of fut.Even DRX in pacific and NRG in NA could've had the potential to qualify
Eight teams is jsut too small of a number to call a 4th place finish good imo esp with two chinese slots there

IM NOT SAYING LOUD IS BAD BUT THEY'RE NOT PLAYING LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE.THATS WHAT I MEANT BY THEIR UNDERPERFORMING

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Psion

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DRX were not qualifying with how they played at kickoff, and if they did they wouldn't of beaten LOUD
EMEA's best should've qualified. You cannot discredit LOUD and say they are underperforming because the best teams in other regions underperformed
FPX sure ONE slot wasted(on a team that is still top 15 in ITW) but EDG is still a solid team lmfao.
i'm not saying its an ideal finish for LOUD, but 4th place in the world is not a bad enough finish to say they are underperforming. we know what LOUD is like when they underperform at tournaments (0-2, -24 & Top 8 at Tokyo) LOUD went 2-3 with +10 on round diff at madrid, they obliterated a team who got 5th-6th.
EDIT: idk what ur edit was, assume i was responding to the original message

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EDG is borderline tier 2 NA level my guy.NAVI, FUT, FNATIC, DRX, NRG would've all beat these shitters.When they played against LOUD, it was just fucking horrible, literally global esports level horrible.It makes me pissed as to why china are getting these slots for free.

LOUD's only wins are against both the chinese teams in madrid
And they proceeded to get shit on by both the pacific teams who both fell to sen.....

I never discredited LOUD's performance when i said that they're underperforming.Both Fnatic, DRX and LOUD all are underperforming

I'm sorry if you interpreted my statement as,"LOUD is a shit team, they're doing so shit right now", no they are still very good, what i meant was that LOUD's masters madrid run was an "underperformance" compared to last year or even before that.

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EDG borderline tier 2 beat PRX lmfaooooo
and? their only losses are to top 4 teams in the world which are all closely knit.
I never said you have to discredit LOUD to say they are underperfoming lmao
I never said that or misinterpreted anything stop making shit up lmfao. they averaged 4.333 at international events in 2023 and 5th place in 2022 the idea that they somehow underperformed does not make sense
edit: changed wording for #3, point is the same

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1.PRX lost because they were legit throwing rounds like ccrazy.And this same Paper rex beat LOUD.Keep in mind this is a paper rex without jinggg, their MVP last year.

1-2 and 5-13 third map against GENG and 0-2 while 13-8 second map against PRX isnt close either.Sure LOUD was competitive but they lost pretty convincingly...

And this is LOUD we're talking about, with players like saadhak and Less, dont you think they'd be closing out these games more often than not?

3.Bruh i never directly called them bad, I was replying to you saying that i cannot discredit LOUD just because other teams are underperforming too.Yes they are also "underperforming", and so is LOUD.Stop making shit up bru lmao

4.In all int events LOUD occured, they had to face and beat the best teams to get to where they are.Compared to madrid, where they only won against Chinese teams.And i def think this is a clear misinterpretation, what i meant by underperforming is that they're performing relatively worse than last year, like not what we'd expect from them.Maybe thats just due to other teams getting better idk

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Psion

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if PRX threw rounds against a tier2 NA team they'd still win 2-0, this is just coping
in meteor's own words "i don't think I could beat LOUD if we played them again, and vs PRX that was LOUD on a bad day vs PRX on a good day, but sure
i never said you directly called them bad
at events LOUD underperformed they lost to teams that didn't end up placing top 3(KRU, EDG), they did not do that this time. none of their losses at madrid or this year show underperformance.

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Alright. Respectfully, and without offence, I would like to know what you're smoking. Just because they lost to a LOUD side on a bad day doesn't mean they're borderline tier 2 NA level. That'd be like saying that M80 or even MostxShopify is fair game to beat them... EDG has proved time and time again that they are a top team in the world and yes, they were garbage in that series against LOUD but I don't see why pro teams --especially one with less experience-- can't have a bad day.

EDG beat Paper Rex and played quite well against a team that would be favorites 90% of the time. (I'm ignoring #51 because you're just coping there),

Reading all of your comments, it seems like you just undervalue/underestimate the CN region immensely. But I don't blame you! FPX had no place at that tournament and it's understandable that teams from a newer region would be looked down on but FPX played pretty competitvely against KC and LOUD, so I don't get why you're making them sound weaker than they are.

Sure, EDG underperformed heavily during that last series against LOUD, but I still don't think there's a valid reason that backs you calling them a "borderline tier 2" team.

As for your main point that LOUD underperformed, I personally don't think so. In fact, I'd say that they actually did quite well considering the form the other teams like Sentinels and GenG were in. Okay they lost out to PRX and finished fourth but it's not like they didn't put up a fight against them.

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champ2k21

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sorry, i made a mistake about calling edg a tier 2 team but my point still isnt refuted. I personally do think LOUD has underperformed at least they should've been close to beating paper rex dont you think. 13-11 and 13-8 didnt seem that close to me tbh.The same goes for us losing against sen with similar scores....

My opinion really just came up after watching these games.Like in alot of the rounds they felt pretty disjointed and sometimes unaware of the opponent thats what i felt in their games in madrid.(Except the EDG game they were pretty good) I expected for them to be able to close out games cuz they've had world class players like saadhak and less....

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Aye it's all good I just can't let others throw such shade on edg for less valid reasons. As for LOUD underperforming, personally I think they did fine but you clearly know more about them than I do so I'm not going to go against you on that one. Have a good one though and sorry if my comment came across negatively for whatever reason. 👍

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champ2k21

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and yeah the only wins they got on madrid are against BOTH CHINESE teams while getting shit on by both the pacific teams theres no way you can call a good performance whatsover

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Psion

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I don't have to call it a good performance for LOUD, that would be if i was saying LOUD overperformed or met expectations.
you are arguing LOUD underperformed and that their play at madrid was bad enough to warrant it, I am arguing their play was fine because they still got fucking 4th in the world

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THATS WHAT IM SAYING, IVE BEEN TRYING TO REPEAT THIS 3 TIMES. LOUD "UNDERPERFORMED" MEANING THEY ARENT PERFORMING NEAR THE LEVEL THEY WERE LAST YEAR.

I just think we should stop this argument,I feel this is a misunderstanding of what i was trying convey my guy

#50

Psion

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you probably just don't know what underperforming means, its "to do worse than" and in #48 i discussed how they placed similar to or better than their average placement over the past 2 years. They haven't had any losses that stand out to say they are underperforming while they have literally beat sentinels

#52

champ2k21

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its used in different context, usually when a team is not performing as expected, which is what i meant. It means "to do worse than EXPECTED" . A LITERAL GOOGLE SEARCH SAYS IT BRO

4th place madrid dont mean shit compared to 4th place in the previous events purely because of the competition relative to prior events

#55

Psion

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LOUD didn't meet expectations at Reyjavik, does that mean they underperform? they were expected to win the event coming into it but didn't. That doesn't mean they underperformed

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champ2k21

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WHAT?didnt meet expectations at Reyjavik???Where their opponent was literally Prime OpTic ?Now you're misusing the phrase "didnt meet expectations"

Also that was LOUD's first ever LAN event all they've proved so far until then is that they can batter a bunch of t2 teams in brazil. OpTiC were favoured to win the event but LOUD was expected to give up a fight, and they did

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champ2k21

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Ill give you another example to explain to you what i really meant by "underperforming"

You remember fnatic in 2022 yeah? like after they brought in alfajer and they started dominating emea??Then what happened?They choked champions and bombed out at 5/6th place while their second seed, the team that they beat 2-1 and again 3-0 in the GF, placed higher than them

Thats what i would call underperformance...

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