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Reckoninqs [#2]you right. LEV + NRG + SEN + LOUD = FNC + TH + KC seems about right, more quality in emea but more quanitity in americas
NAVI FUT VIT WILL STOMP ALL FOUR.
Reckoninqs [#2]you right. LEV + NRG + SEN + LOUD = FNC + TH + KC seems about right, more quality in emea but more quanitity in americas
Quite the contrary, unlike last year, EMEA has many good teams but lacks the "superteams"
I can see VIT, FUT, KC, TH, NAVI, FNC all winning a trophy.
But for NA its only LOUD, LEV, NRG and SEN are trophy contenders.
Overall NA is more top heavy but thats not a bad thing
Reckoninqs [#2]you right. LEV + NRG + SEN + LOUD = FNC + TH + KC seems about right, more quality in emea but more quanitity in americas
i know people wanna shit on FUT but being objective, they lost 13-10 13-11 to Heretics, who have proven they're pretty damn good
Then they lost 2-1 to Karmine Crop, including a 20-18 map loss
they're still a top team
number2_cNed_fan [#4]Quite the contrary, unlike last year, EMEA has many good teams but lacks the "superteams"
I can see VIT, FUT, KC, TH, NAVI, FNC all winning a trophy.
But for NA its only LOUD, LEV, NRG and SEN are trophy contenders.Overall NA is more top heavy but thats not a bad thing
That was the case last year at champs aswell. EMEA was deeper at champs, both of our LCQ teams were better than Americas LCQ team, but our top teams were definitely weaker
Mortadelo [#6]That was the case last year at champs aswell. EMEA was deeper at champs, both of our LCQ teams were better than Americas LCQ team, but our top teams were definitely weaker
Last year was a failure for EMEA, all of our teams (not counting FNC) got clapped by pretty much all regions.
It was terrible.
GKeepItReal [#7]Last year was a failure for EMEA, all of our teams (not counting FNC) got clapped by pretty much all regions.
It was terrible.
Yeah we didn't have any other top tier teams, that doesn't mean the average level of the region was trash
Netero [#9]I disagree!!
If Sentinels didn't whip and whoop KC's ass I would agreed but EMEA and AMER are still close really
number2_cNed_fan [#4]Quite the contrary, unlike last year, EMEA has many good teams but lacks the "superteams"
I can see VIT, FUT, KC, TH, NAVI, FNC all winning a trophy.
But for NA its only LOUD, LEV, NRG and SEN are trophy contenders.Overall NA is more top heavy but thats not a bad thing
idk 100t and EG are looking pretty solid. FUT and VIT I wouldn't say are trophy contenders right now but that may be because their cores have been heavily changed. I could see EMEA ending with KC TH NAVI and FUT being the top teams, FNATIC are lacking innovation and VIT's roster is < than FUT TH KC and NAVI imo. cNed needs to see shanghai though
GKeepItReal [#13]It was close.
Because of NA import carry and clutch, only one with 30 kills. Where was Farteen? 13-8 split isn't even close
azureblade101 [#11]emea are beyond horrid
no depth in 2023 besides 1 team that did really good and right now ur best team couldnt even qual cuz they think engh is retarded enough to not antistrat
bro Chet tried to antristrat Sentinels Spilt(13-3). Loud and LEV all the same. Sentinels Spilt is just the best Spilt being played
GKeepItReal [#13]It was close.
replace n4rrate with ur best shitmea player and they dont even make an international
emea is finished now
number2_cNed_fan [#4]Quite the contrary, unlike last year, EMEA has many good teams but lacks the "superteams"
I can see VIT, FUT, KC, TH, NAVI, FNC all winning a trophy.
But for NA its only LOUD, LEV, NRG and SEN are trophy contenders.Overall NA is more top heavy but thats not a bad thing
NA is not top heavy fool
We just saw SEN demolish KC
SEN played close against literally every team except MIBR while KC kind of dominated EMEA winning 2-0 in most games
This shows that NA has more teams on SEN’s level unlike KC who is a level above EMEA
NA is better than EMEA in quite literally every way possible
There is a world in which SEN doesn’t make it to Madrid while KC and TH got to madrid comfortably
100t NRG LEV have all proven that they are at the level of LOUD/SEN
Mortadelo [#8]Yeah we didn't have any other top tier teams, that doesn't mean the average level of the region was trash
that's what that means. if all your teams besides one get rolled, that means the average level of your region is trash.
duchesssx [#19]that's what that means. if all your teams besides one get rolled, that means the average level of your region is trash.
No, the fact that your #1 and #2 are better than our #1 does not mean that your #4, 5, 6 is better than ours
All FNC, FUT, TL, NAVI and GIA were better than Americas #4 and arguably than NRG at champs aswell
Mortadelo [#20]No, the fact that your #1 and #2 are better than our #1 does not mean that your #4, 5, 6 is better than ours
All FNC, FUT, TL, NAVI and GIA were better than Americas #4 and arguably than NRG at champs aswell
Mortadelo [#20]No, the fact that your #1 and #2 are better than our #1 does not mean that your #4, 5, 6 is better than ours
All FNC, FUT, TL, NAVI and GIA were better than Americas #4 and arguably than NRG at champs aswell
EMEA were 13-24 at international events in 2023 without fnatic
AMER without EG were 22-19
AMER without LOUD were 25-17
AMER without both were 13-14
edit: without Navi &FNC EMEA were 9-19
Psion [#22]EMEA were 13-24 at international events in 2023 without fnatic
AMER without EG were 22-19
AMER without LOUD were 25-17
AMER without both were 13-14
edit: without Navi &FNC EMEA were 9-19
Can’t really compare what the level of a team was throughout the year basing it on lock in, literally the first few games of the year
Other than that at Masters and champs you had 3 good teams as I stated before, and yes they were better than ours. But as I’ve been trying to say this whole time,, those 3 teams do not speak for the average level of a region, we can’t assume that Furia was better than Vitality
Netero [#15]Because of NA import carry and clutch, only one with 30 kills. Where was Farteen? 13-8 split isn't even close
marteen had 10 entries where narrate had only 4
sh1n had a higher rating than narrate
sh1n had 22% higher KAST
but yes 30 big number :O
number2_cNed_fan [#4]Quite the contrary, unlike last year, EMEA has many good teams but lacks the "superteams"
I can see VIT, FUT, KC, TH, NAVI, FNC all winning a trophy.
But for NA its only LOUD, LEV, NRG and SEN are trophy contenders.Overall NA is more top heavy but thats not a bad thing
FNC can still dominate if they change up their playstyle enough to not get hard read by others. KC showed how FNC has some predictable patterns.
Asuna_Yuuki [#18]NA is not top heavy fool
We just saw SEN demolish KC
SEN played close against literally every team except MIBR while KC kind of dominated EMEA winning 2-0 in most games
This shows that NA has more teams on SEN’s level unlike KC who is a level above EMEA
NA is better than EMEA in quite literally every way possible
There is a world in which SEN doesn’t make it to Madrid while KC and TH got to madrid comfortably
100t NRG LEV have all proven that they are at the level of LOUD/SEN
I don't think KC is a level above the other teams, even though the results were 2-0. KC and TH were new teams, but now other EMEA teams know what to expect from them.
FUT lost 1-2 to KC.
Mortadelo [#24]Can’t really compare what the level of a team was throughout the year basing it on lock in, literally the first few games of the year
Other than that at Masters and champs you had 3 good teams as I stated before, and yes they were better than ours. But as I’ve been trying to say this whole time,, those 3 teams do not speak for the average level of a region, we can’t assume that Furia was better than Vitality
if you take out lock\in:
EMEA is 6-15 at international events without FNC (28.6%)
AMER without EG were 14-11 (56%)
AMER without LOUD were 17-9(60.7%)
AMER without both were 5-6(45.5%)
without Navi and FNC: 5-11(31.25%)
The idea that besides FNC EMEA was a better region last year is some revisionist history lmfao
CanadianLegend [#16]bro Chet tried to antristrat Sentinels Spilt(13-3). Loud and LEV all the same. Sentinels Spilt is just the best Spilt being played
Chet the snake 🐍🐍 couldn’t anti strat billibilli what makes you think he could do it us 😂
Psion [#28]if you take out lock\in:
EMEA is 6-15 at international events without FNC (28.6%)
AMER without EG were 14-11 (56%)
AMER without LOUD were 17-9(60.7%)
AMER without both were 5-6(45.5%)
without Navi and FNC: 5-11(31.25%)
The idea that besides FNC EMEA was a better region last year is some revisionist history lmfao
Dude I appreciate your research but you're either not understanding what I'm saying or not wanting to understand it. I'm not asking for the record without FNC EG LOUD NRG or NAVI. I'm asking for the record without any of them at the same time, which can't be done because they haven't played.
I'm saying our #4 and under is better than Americas #4 and under and you're trying to dispute it with stats of your #1 2 and 3
My point is that EG beating FNC doesn't make Furia better than Vitality
Mortadelo [#30]Dude I appreciate your research but you're either not understanding what I'm saying or not wanting to understand it. I'm not asking for the record without FNC EG LOUD NRG or NAVI. I'm asking for the record without any of them at the same time, which can't be done because they haven't played.
I'm saying our #4 and under is better than Americas #4 and under and you're trying to dispute it with stats of your #1 2 and 3
My point is that EG beating FNC doesn't make Furia better than Vitality
mf then ask any fucking analyst why EMEA is better this year, its not because the top is betters its because its depth is better and it had awful depth last year
Mortadelo [#30]Dude I appreciate your research but you're either not understanding what I'm saying or not wanting to understand it. I'm not asking for the record without FNC EG LOUD NRG or NAVI. I'm asking for the record without any of them at the same time, which can't be done because they haven't played.
I'm saying our #4 and under is better than Americas #4 and under and you're trying to dispute it with stats of your #1 2 and 3
My point is that EG beating FNC doesn't make Furia better than Vitality
even with FNATIC Americas was 15-10 vs EMEA, you cannot say EMEA was better top to bottom
Psion [#31]mf then ask any fucking analyst why EMEA is better this year, its not because the top is betters its because its depth is better and it had awful depth last year
We're getting closer to an understanding now. Again, my opinion is that the fact that EMEA had awful depth last year is a misconception created by our top teams no performing well. But our #3, #4 and #5 performed better at champs than Americas #4 and equal to the #3
And then again this does not proof that KOI was better than MIBR, it just says that the top teams don't represent the whole region
Mortadelo [#33]We're getting closer to an understanding now. Again, my opinion is that the fact that EMEA had awful depth last year is a misconception created by our top teams no performing well. But our #3, #4 and #5 performed better at champs than Americas #4 and equal to the #3
And then again this does not proof that KOI was better than MIBR, it just says that the top teams don't represent the whole region
so your opinion is literally just revisionist, people at the time(throughout all of 2023) said EMEA had awful depth and you have no data to back yourself up other than KRU going 0-2 at champs and NRG pulling a bilibili which was the same tournament that EMEA had no teams top 3 and Americas had 2
Psion [#34]so your opinion is literally just revisionist, people at the time(throughout all of 2023) said EMEA had awful depth and you have no data to back yourself up other than KRU going 0-2 at champs and NRG pulling a bilibili which was the same tournament that EMEA had no teams top 3 and Americas had 2
And here we go again, EMEA did not have awful depth through 2023 what I'm saying is that people just say that because our top teams didn't perform well and that is not what fucking depth means
And yes I'm using the KRU and NRG example because that's the only time that we could see not top teams at international, if there were other examples we could use them but there aren't
Mortadelo [#35]And here we go again, EMEA did not have awful depth through 2023 what I'm saying is that people just say that because our top teams didn't perform well and that is not what fucking depth means
And yes I'm using the KRU and NRG example because that's the only time that we could see not top teams at international, if there were other examples we could use them but there aren't
"And here we go again, EMEA did not have awful depth through 2023 what I'm saying is that people just say that because our top teams didn't perform well and that is not what fucking depth means"
once again, this goes against what every fucking analyst said last year and is literally revisionist history
your last place was KC, the only team DFM last year had a chance of beating
Our last place team was KRU, who made it to champs.
You have literally no evidence to support EMEA being better top to bottom last year you cannot look at me with a straight face and seriously compare KC to KRU or 100T to TH
Psion [#36]"And here we go again, EMEA did not have awful depth through 2023 what I'm saying is that people just say that because our top teams didn't perform well and that is not what fucking depth means"
once again, this goes against what every fucking analyst said last year and is literally revisionist history
your last place was KC, the only team DFM last year had a chance of beating
Our last place team was KRU, who made it to champs.You have literally no evidence to support EMEA being better top to bottom last year you cannot look at me with a straight face and seriously compare KC to KRU or 100T to TH
We're not going anywhere so let's just agree to disagree here
Mortadelo [#37]We're not going anywhere so let's just agree to disagree here
yeah arguing with a flat earther doesn't usually get me anywhere either
Psion [#38]yeah arguing with a flat earther doesn't usually get me anywhere either
Sure lil bro
Btw stop upfragging yourself because it's kinds sad
Mortadelo [#39]Sure lil bro
Btw stop upfragging yourself because it's kinds sad
oh i made a bot do it for a school project a while ago lol(and it auto launches with PC start i should probably disable it) thats why it only happens when im on PC and not mobile
Sen > KC
Loud = TH(could make a case for either team imo)
NRG = FNC(either team could easily be the best in their region by split 1)
LEV > NAVI(NAVI troll to hard + Lev will only improve as time goes on)
100t > VIT(VIT have the potential to be rlly good but 100t have looked great so far)
EG > FUT(Potter + Jawgemo diff, it’s very close tho and u could make a case for fut as they played KC very close)
Mibr < KOI(Koi played pretty okay with flashes of brilliancy, I think overall they played better then Mibr)
G2 =< GIA(Both teams have high quality players who have made international lans but g2 are kind of a mess rn so gia are barely favourites, also Purp0 is insane but idk about the role moves, I would be a lot higher on this team if they also got b1sk)
C9 < M8(C9 has a potential to be good as seen in the off season but they have looked horrible so far while M8s almost beat vit and looked pretty good, I think the skill gap between the players is massive)
FUR > BBL(FUR roster moves are looking great, imo they won’t even be the worst team anymore. BBL doesn’t have the players nor the strategical depth to shut down Mwzera and now with nzr on the team I think they will support Mwzera far better)
Psion [#40]oh i made a bot do it for a school project a while ago lol(and it auto launches with PC start i should probably disable it) thats why it only happens when im on PC and not mobile
lol
rtg9000 [#5]i know people wanna shit on FUT but being objective, they lost 13-10 13-11 to Heretics, who have proven they're pretty damn good
Then they lost 2-1 to Karmine Crop, including a 20-18 map loss
they're still a top team
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