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SETSUZA [#2]Shahzam... guy has 4 of the best players in their role on his team, obviously he's gonna look like a genius
and what if its his calling style that allows his players to shine the way they do?
wedqatwrtgehge [#4]and what if its his calling style that allows his players to shine the way they do?
yes it's definitely his calling style that makes
tenz the best player in the world
sick the most flexible player
dapr one of the most creative sentinels and clutch
zombs the best single site anchor
shahzam is a great player. one of the best for sure. but his igling prowess is not the reason sentinels are so good lol
SETSUZA [#5]yes it's definitely his calling style that makes
tenz the best player in the world
sick the most flexible player
dapr one of the most creative sentinels and clutch
zombs the best single site anchorshahzam is a great player. one of the best for sure. but his igling prowess is not the reason sentinels are so good lol
a lot of things about how the team itself operates and the environment about in the team can be contributed to the IGL and those things improve everyone
raka_gg [#6]fns
shazam
hazed
i dont think anyone thinks hazed is great igl... he igls because he has to not because he is good at it
wedqatwrtgehge [#7]a lot of things about how the team itself operates and the environment about in the team can be contributed to the IGL and those things improve everyone
obviously, im not saying hes a dogshit igl and sentinels are carried by individual skill. im saying he's an average igl who does enough for where the team can succeed
hes overrated because fans think hes literally the einstein of valorant and that he's singlehandedly outbraining every team they play against
kindereggmodel [#8]more like steel... i personally dont really see why he is considered a "really good igl"
I mean we can’t see behind the scenes only his teammates know how good he is as a igl
SETSUZA [#10]obviously, im not saying hes a dogshit igl and sentinels are carried by individual skill. im saying he's an average igl who does enough for where the team can succeed
hes overrated because fans think hes literally the einstein of valorant and that he's singlehandedly outbraining every team they play against
ok, serious question, how would you determine the difference between shahzam who you called an average IGL and a great one.
wedqatwrtgehge [#12]ok, serious question, how would you determine the difference between shahzam who you called an average IGL and a great one.
Their success with a less experienced/good team maybe ? fnatic might be a good example their experience is non existent compared to sentinels but they still gave them a run for their money last at iceland.
wedqatwrtgehge [#12]ok, serious question, how would you determine the difference between shahzam who you called an average IGL and a great one.
history of leading different teams to success
pioneering strategies/creating setups that other teams later adopt
ability to defeat teams that are considered to be mechanically stronger through intelligent play
incorporating individual play in a way that synergizes with your calling
testimonies from other pro players remarking on their game knowledge
examples of igls i would consider great: glaive, gob b, ex6tenz, fallen, steel (for chaos) in valorant i would say vanity
SETSUZA [#16]history of leading different teams to success
pioneering strategies/creating setups that other teams later adopt
ability to defeat teams that are considered to be mechanically stronger through intelligent play
incorporating individual play in a way that synergizes with your calling
testimonies from other pro players remarking on their game knowledgeexamples of igls i would consider great: glaive, gob b, ex6tenz, fallen, steel (for chaos) in valorant i would say vanity
history of leading teams to success is unfair for someone like shahz since this team is his first time IGLing.
SEN also made a lot of comps that are still used today and have pioneered the meta.
third point is fair I dont have anything to argue against that.
fourth is literally what SEN is all about
and for the fifth point I'm sure there's countless clips of players calling shahz a good/great IGL it's just that it's not spammed/posted everywhere.
SETSUZA [#2]Shahzam... guy has 4 of the best players in their role on his team, obviously he's gonna look like a genius
He doesn't have any coaches to help him out and Sentinels are still the best team in NA at anti stratting other teams and in general... Sure he has 4 great teammates but NRG has a stacked roster, and without daps, they are failing. Not to mention that he is the only good IGL(at least in NA) that can IGL while playing a duelist.
SETSUZA [#2]Shahzam... guy has 4 of the best players in their role on his team, obviously he's gonna look like a genius
honestly, he is a really good igl, but your point does have some truth to it
kindereggmodel [#8]more like steel... i personally dont really see why he is considered a "really good igl"
he's good because steel is a literal genius at it
not only that but he makes some very good calls, often being the reason the team doesn't lose certain rounds
kindereggmodel [#8]more like steel... i personally dont really see why he is considered a "really good igl"
Steel is like the Canadian guy Scott from South Park.
He's a dick.
alara_acendfan [#13]big brain boaster
he have the potential to become one of the best IGLs of the World, the problem with him is that he overthinks everything
wedqatwrtgehge [#17]history of leading teams to success is unfair for someone like shahz since this team is his first time IGLing.
SEN also made a lot of comps that are still used today and have pioneered the meta.
third point is fair I dont have anything to argue against that.
fourth is literally what SEN is all about
and for the fifth point I'm sure there's countless clips of players calling shahz a good/great IGL it's just that it's not spammed/posted everywhere.
I disagree
I think that what makes a good igl is their exp and being able to pull the team together and to pioneer the meta. Sen have deff not pioneered the meta, they have been reluctant to make changes according to the meta, which isnt and issue considering they aren't losing much. My only issue is when I see all the clips about how much stuff is done on the fly.
Firstly Shaz's unorthodox igling style has plenty of issues, im not saying its bad I just think that many things can be improved on. Shaz's igling is very dependant on his teams performance, because they dont have a coach he hasnt made many complex strats and does a lot of things on the fly and relies on how well his team plays. THey may have good synergy but he calls very much off how the enemy team plays he heavily counter strats and relies on core fundamentals instead of creating their own strats. This type of igling style becomes an issue when they vs newer teams or teams that play similar to them. We have seen it multiple times, when they played aganist BBG, ABX. I think that Shaz's igling and Sen's complexity will be extremely increased with the addition of a coach.
I dont think that Sen is bad I just think that their are some things to work on from what I can see.
Tox1c [#32]I disagree
I think that what makes a good igl is their exp and being able to pull the team together and to pioneer the meta. Sen have deff not pioneered the meta, they have been reluctant to make changes according to the meta, which isnt and issue considering they aren't losing much. My only issue is when I see all the clips about how much stuff is done on the fly.Firstly Shaz's unorthodox igling style has plenty of issues, im not saying its bad I just think that many things can be improved on. Shaz's igling is very dependant on his teams performance, because they dont have a coach he hasnt made many complex strats and does a lot of things on the fly and relies on how well his team plays. THey may have good synergy but he calls very much off how the enemy team plays he heavily counter strats and relies on core fundamentals instead of creating their own strats. This type of igling style becomes an issue when they vs newer teams or teams that play similar to them. We have seen it multiple times, when they played aganist BBG, ABX. I think that Shaz's igling and Sen's complexity will be extremely increased with the addition of a coach.
I dont think that Sen is bad I just think that their are some things to work on from what I can see.
I like everything that you said but the thing that doesn't really make sense is that you think majority of the things they do is done on the fly. Yes i do but don't agree with that because at the start they obviously have a set play for the round/half but when a team "reads" that they're now to come up with something on the fly. Yes he relies on the world class performances from his teammates but at the same time the players were given a set play but was ruined or wrecked due to them dying or getting read. Depending on fundamentals isn't too bad in my opinion cause if its consistently working and your play around with it then its not like your consistently REUSING IT.
When you say BBG and ABX, as of right now BBG are 1-0 against them. Yes SEN were outclassed in that April Match but that was a new BBG, a team we have never seen before but at the same time looking at today BBG haven't been able to do the same to other teams, but that's if "ShahZaM igling" is predictable. Onward to ABX, they are 1-4 against SEN, the 1W they have is a OT 2:0 which was really surprising same as BBG, a new team, with prodigies but I don't think they really adapted to them moving forward. I have nothing wrong with what your saying, I'm just saying what I think!
I agree that a coach can increase the desicion making, strats and flexablity of the SEN roster, letting off ShahzaM doing all the coaching/IGLing"
alara_acendfan [#13]big brain boaster
his team is very hard to igl he has to micromanage a lot and he clearly did very well in masters 2
I don't get any of these points regarding Shahzam being an overrated igl.
I'd say as much as 50-70% of Sentinel's success is because of his midround calling and IGLing. The players on sentinels are great, but I'm confident in saying that it is Shahzam's igling which makes them seem spectacular. As much as I hate the guy, he's a pretty damn good IGL and isn't overrated in any way. No one on the sentinels roster are the best players in their respective field (2 or 3 better sentinel and controller players than Dapr and Zombs) but yet their team is so good because of his IGL.
Tox1c [#32]I disagree
I think that what makes a good igl is their exp and being able to pull the team together and to pioneer the meta. Sen have deff not pioneered the meta, they have been reluctant to make changes according to the meta, which isnt and issue considering they aren't losing much. My only issue is when I see all the clips about how much stuff is done on the fly.Firstly Shaz's unorthodox igling style has plenty of issues, im not saying its bad I just think that many things can be improved on. Shaz's igling is very dependant on his teams performance, because they dont have a coach he hasnt made many complex strats and does a lot of things on the fly and relies on how well his team plays. THey may have good synergy but he calls very much off how the enemy team plays he heavily counter strats and relies on core fundamentals instead of creating their own strats. This type of igling style becomes an issue when they vs newer teams or teams that play similar to them. We have seen it multiple times, when they played aganist BBG, ABX. I think that Shaz's igling and Sen's complexity will be extremely increased with the addition of a coach.
I dont think that Sen is bad I just think that their are some things to work on from what I can see.
oh yeah of course shahz can improve I wasnt denying that I just think hes more than "average"
Fiji5k [#33]I like everything that you said but the thing that doesn't really make sense is that you think majority of the things they do is done on the fly. Yes i do but don't agree with that because at the start they obviously have a set play for the round/half but when a team "reads" that they're now to come up with something on the fly. Yes he relies on the world class performances from his teammates but at the same time the players were given a set play but was ruined or wrecked due to them dying or getting read. Depending on fundamentals isn't too bad in my opinion cause if its consistently working and your play around with it then its not like your consistently REUSING IT.
When you say BBG and ABX, as of right now BBG are 1-0 against them. Yes SEN were outclassed in that April Match but that was a new BBG, a team we have never seen before but at the same time looking at today BBG haven't been able to do the same to other teams, but that's if "ShahZaM igling" is predictable. Onward to ABX, they are 1-4 against SEN, the 1W they have is a OT 2:0 which was really surprising same as BBG, a new team, with prodigies but I don't think they really adapted to them moving forward. I have nothing wrong with what your saying, I'm just saying what I think!
I agree that a coach can increase the desicion making, strats and flexablity of the SEN roster, letting off ShahzaM doing all the coaching/IGLing"
I agree with everything you've said.
But fundamentals are defaults and basic set plays to take map control which is what Sen shine in set plays arent intricate strats they are 'fundamentals' which are the basis on which every team should fall back on if things arent working.
I also think that Shazam's unpredictable igling can also affect his teams preformance in game. Sen arent a team that gets smashed easily so they are usually never losing the 1st half or at least never lower than an 7-5 score line because their indaviduals always pull through in a few rounds. But I find that when Sen are down a large 10-2 disadvantage they dont see to come back, this is because they dont have as many of these complex strats as other teams do. Like when they played C9 on split or 100t on icebox in Chal 2, or more recently vs sonqis on icebox in Chal 3. We just dont see it much because Sen usually arent in that disadvantage but I think when they vs the European teams in Berlin we will have to see if shaz can pull thru.
I agree with much of your opinion but I think that every team has the ability to improve even if they are the best in the world.
wedqatwrtgehge [#36]oh yeah of course shahz can improve I wasnt denying that I just think hes more than "average"
Yeah Shaz's Igling is still really strong but I think that their is a lot of clear things that good elevate Sen to even higher then they are now.
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