what is the problem for Cloud9 actually?

They started the Off-Season with full swing but their performance slowly deteriorated after. I haven't been able to understand why teams like MiBR are shitting on them.
People are saying wippie is the problem, but I think he is just inconsistent and people expect him to frag like Less and Alfajer on Sentinel roles.
Vanity isn't botfragging either, he isn't going quadruple negative and his calls are on point. (Xeppaa said on stream Vanity is one of the best IGLs they've had)
OXY is their best player, so he is not in question here.
Jakee has been doing his job well on controller.

So, the only person left responsible is Immi, but do you think that a coach is single handedly responsible for such an abysmal performance of the team? and if not, who among these 5 players is to be blamed here?

They are good but other teams have better skill ceiling ig

well i’m no pro but i can definitely say you have a problem if you go 0-3 at the start of every half because you think 5 stingers force buy is gonna work this time

and vanity is the guy making that call (allegedly) so

Curry is the answer to your questions

love_trial [#3]

well i’m no pro but i can definitely say you have a problem if you go 0-3 at the start of every half because you think 5 stingers force buy is gonna work this time

and vanity is the guy making that call (allegedly) so

well, you are right. I just checked one of his VOD when vanity was in SR.
This clip against Turtle Troop, where they force stingers after losing pistol on bind.
vanity needs to be sacked ASAP, but i dont think there are any competent IGLs LFT in NA

Tsikhamani [#4]

Curry is the answer to your questions

The sad thing is he's probably not going to compete again but hopefully we get to see him sub for some team in the off season.

they're too toxic, karma always gets to them

Valorant is a team game. You could put 5 of the best mechanical players on the team and they can go winless, you could put 5 average joes and they could win it all. Maybe the team just doesn't gel well

inlucid [#7]

they're too toxic, karma always gets to them

what? whom were they toxic to?

No curry no win

Asuna_Yuuki [#10]

No curry no win

mid at best

Madarox [#2]

They are good but other teams have better skill ceiling ig

any team that has a vanity on it is hot trash

Probably Wippie and Immi? But it's not like the biggest thing, they just don't have that spark that teams like KC have honestly, kinda hard to explain

C9 winning an off-season even with curry doesn't mean he's good, it just means the other teams weren't trying as hard.

i feel like wippie not cooperating enough for the team and more like a solo ranked player on the team tbh. I've seen him plays and he's good, but sometimes he's clueless and recklessly to the team.

Conceit [#13]

Probably Wippie and Immi? But it's not like the biggest thing, they just don't have that spark that teams like KC have honestly, kinda hard to explain

i get it, last year's C9 had the spark to win. IG its because of zellsis who is such a big hype creator for the entire team wherever he goes, as we can see on SEN this year. all current C9 players seem dead serious and looks like they don't enjoy the game. wippie looks like someone who has been kidnapped and put infront of a computer to play video game

canyon [#16]

i get it, last year's C9 had the spark to win. IG its because of zellsis who is such a big hype creator for the entire team wherever he goes, as we can see on SEN this year. all current C9 players seem dead serious and looks like they don't enjoy the game. wippie looks like someone who has been kidnapped and put infront of a computer to play video game

LMAO that is the best way to describe Wippie

Conceit [#17]

LMAO that is the best way to describe Wippie

bro gotta start looksmaxxing and behaviormaxxing before next split fr

canyon [#9]

what? whom were they toxic to?

im not sure but i think he is talking about vanity waving prx off during lock//in

oxy may be him but he needs to be more consistent and work on micro and team fundamentals, vanity seems to be okay, same shit with xeppaa and jakee, idk about wippie tho

good players but if they really want to get far and make it into tournaments, they need to step up

inlucid [#7]

they're too toxic, karma always gets to them

If waving is toxic I don’t know what to tell you

I think they need to

Idk man everyone says vanity is a good igl but what does he even have on his resume?

No real foundations or discipline in my opinion. I think they would all be insane players in ranked but i think they lack a lot of the fundamentals that other teams have worked on over the last season. And I do think that comes down to the coaching staff. I think oxy and jakee should be dominating tier 1 right now but they are hindered by the team

They've been really punished for their macro game and econ management. The general skill ceiling has certainly been raised this kick-off, and mistakes in buy rounds and forcing too often seems to let other teams run away with it. That being said, they've had some nice calls and all the players have had their moments. If they tighten up a bit I could see them doing much better.

born again and pray to bee good on their next life

SmartPerson [#26]

born again and pray to bee good on their next life

hey irmao thats not very nice 😠

they dont have enough star power, they have a solid igl, solid flex, ok smokes, ok sentinel and a super inconsistent star player

they need another player than can step up, 1 player isnt enough nowadays, look at KC/SEN/FNC/NRG/GEN.G/PRX, all have multiple players that can step up and fuck up the other team

rhythmots [#23]

Idk man everyone says vanity is a good igl but what does he even have on his resume?

If most coaches and most igls agree that he's a good IGL and retards on vlr don't think so. Who would you think is correct.

Nisham [#29]

If most coaches and most igls agree that he's a good IGL and retards on vlr don't think so. Who would you think is correct.

yeah man hes made like 0 lans in the past 2 years but yeah the fact that people say hes a good igl has gotta mean something right?

Oxy