GAMBIT 2-1
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
12
7
+5
|
12
4
+8
|
5
9
-4
|
7
14
-7
|
7
5
+2
|
Redgar
GMB
|
3
11
-8
|
7
10
-3
|
8
6
+2
|
5
9
-4
|
11
4
+7
|
sheydos
GMB
|
11
8
+3
|
7
8
-1
|
7
10
-3
|
9
8
+1
|
7
5
+2
|
nAts
GMB
|
10
9
+1
|
12
7
+5
|
11
8
+3
|
6
10
-4
|
8
10
-2
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
8
9
-1
|
10
13
-3
|
14
6
+8
|
11
8
+3
|
8
8
+0
|
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
3
1
+2
|
4
0
+4
|
1
1
+0
|
2
4
-2
|
3
3
+0
|
Redgar
GMB
|
|
1
1
+0
|
2
3
-1
|
2
1
+1
|
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
0
1
-1
|
3
0
+3
|
|
|
nAts
GMB
|
2
0
+2
|
0
1
-1
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
2
1
+1
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
1
1
+0
|
0
4
-4
|
4
2
+2
|
3
2
+1
|
2
0
+2
|
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
3
0
+3
|
3
1
+2
|
1
0
+1
|
3
0
+3
|
2
0
+2
|
Redgar
GMB
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
1
0
+1
|
|
1
0
+1
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
nAts
GMB
|
|
0
2
-2
|
|
|
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
d3ffo
GMB
|
|
9
|
1
|
2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
46
|
2
|
1
|
nAts
GMB
|
|
12
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
57
|
4
|
0
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
|
10
|
3
|
2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
69
|
4
|
0
|
Redgar
GMB
|
|
7
|
1
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
42
|
6
|
0
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
8
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
51
|
4
|
1
|
10K
FNST
|
|
4
|
2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
40
|
6
|
0
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
|
8
|
1
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
47
|
4
|
1
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
|
5
|
2
|
2
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
60
|
1
|
1
|
ponkt
FNST
|
|
9
|
2
|
1
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
45
|
3
|
0
|
Foxie
FNST
|
|
8
|
2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
50
|
5
|
1
|
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
8
2
+6
|
4
1
+3
|
4
0
+4
|
6
3
+3
|
4
1
+3
|
Redgar
GMB
|
1
0
+1
|
3
4
-1
|
0
2
-2
|
1
2
-1
|
3
1
+2
|
sheydos
GMB
|
5
2
+3
|
3
3
+0
|
4
3
+1
|
3
2
+1
|
1
1
+0
|
nAts
GMB
|
2
3
-1
|
4
3
+1
|
5
2
+3
|
0
2
-2
|
3
3
+0
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
1
2
-1
|
3
6
-3
|
3
0
+3
|
4
3
+1
|
3
0
+3
|
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
|
|
|
1
1
+0
|
2
1
+1
|
Redgar
GMB
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
|
3
0
+3
|
|
|
nAts
GMB
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
1
0
+1
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
|
0
3
-3
|
1
0
+1
|
1
1
+0
|
1
0
+1
|
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
1
0
+1
|
1
0
+1
|
|
2
0
+2
|
2
0
+2
|
Redgar
GMB
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
|
|
|
|
nAts
GMB
|
|
0
2
-2
|
|
|
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
|
|
|
|
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
d3ffo
GMB
|
|
6
Round 1
Foxie
ponkt
Round 2
ALIVE
Foxie
Round 5
10K
RECIDENT
Round 7
ALIVE
RECIDENT
Round 11
10K
ALIVE
Round 16
10K
RECIDENT
|
1
Round 6
RECIDENT
Foxie
ponkt
|
2
Round 4
Foxie
RECIDENT
ponkt
10K
Round 12
ponkt
ALIVE
RECIDENT
Foxie
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
84
|
1
|
0
|
nAts
GMB
|
|
3
Round 7
ponkt
Foxie
Round 9
10K
ponkt
Round 14
ponkt
ALIVE
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
65
|
4
|
0
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
|
2
Round 1
RECIDENT
10K
Round 8
10K
RECIDENT
|
1
Round 10
ponkt
ALIVE
RECIDENT
|
1
Round 17
RECIDENT
ALIVE
Foxie
ponkt
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
70
|
1
|
0
|
Redgar
GMB
|
|
|
1
Round 18
ALIVE
RECIDENT
10K
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
32
|
1
|
0
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
3
Round 3
RECIDENT
Foxie
Round 5
Foxie
ponkt
Round 8
ponkt
ALIVE
|
1
Round 11
ponkt
Foxie
RECIDENT
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
62
|
3
|
1
|
10K
FNST
|
|
|
1
Round 13
d3ffo
nAts
Redgar
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
26
|
2
|
0
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
|
2
Round 3
Chronicle
sheydos
Round 4
Chronicle
sheydos
|
1
Round 10
nAts
Redgar
nAts
|
|
|
1
Round 3
sheydos
|
|
|
|
|
69
|
0
|
0
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
|
3
Round 5
sheydos
nAts
Round 9
Chronicle
sheydos
Round 15
Redgar
d3ffo
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
55
|
0
|
0
|
ponkt
FNST
|
|
1
Round 6
nAts
sheydos
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
36
|
2
|
0
|
Foxie
FNST
|
|
1
Round 9
nAts
d3ffo
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
48
|
0
|
0
|
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
1
2
-1
|
5
1
+4
|
0
7
-7
|
0
6
-6
|
2
2
+0
|
Redgar
GMB
|
1
7
-6
|
3
3
+0
|
5
2
+3
|
0
2
-2
|
6
2
+4
|
sheydos
GMB
|
5
4
+1
|
2
1
+1
|
1
6
-5
|
3
2
+1
|
2
0
+2
|
nAts
GMB
|
5
3
+2
|
3
2
+1
|
1
3
-2
|
3
5
-2
|
1
3
-2
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
3
4
-1
|
4
3
+1
|
6
4
+2
|
2
3
-1
|
4
3
+1
|
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
1
1
+0
|
3
0
+3
|
0
1
-1
|
0
2
-2
|
1
1
+0
|
Redgar
GMB
|
|
1
1
+0
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
nAts
GMB
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
|
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
2
1
+1
|
|
1
0
+1
|
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
|
Redgar
GMB
|
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
1
0
+1
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
|
|
|
|
nAts
GMB
|
|
|
|
|
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
|
|
|
|
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
d3ffo
GMB
|
|
2
Round 8
10K
ALIVE
Round 10
Foxie
ALIVE
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
29
|
0
|
0
|
nAts
GMB
|
|
2
Round 1
Foxie
ALIVE
Round 17
RECIDENT
ponkt
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
45
|
0
|
0
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
|
3
Round 4
ponkt
ALIVE
Round 6
10K
ponkt
Round 15
ponkt
Foxie
|
1
Round 20
ponkt
ALIVE
Foxie
|
1
Round 2
10K
ALIVE
ponkt
RECIDENT
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
70
|
3
|
0
|
Redgar
GMB
|
|
5
Round 3
ponkt
10K
Round 7
ALIVE
10K
Round 10
ponkt
10K
Round 17
10K
ALIVE
Round 21
ponkt
Foxie
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
50
|
1
|
0
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
3
Round 3
Foxie
RECIDENT
Round 4
Foxie
RECIDENT
Round 16
10K
Foxie
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
55
|
1
|
0
|
10K
FNST
|
|
|
1
Round 15
Redgar
Chronicle
nAts
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
36
|
2
|
0
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
|
3
Round 18
Redgar
nAts
Round 21
Redgar
nAts
Round 22
Chronicle
d3ffo
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
31
|
1
|
1
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
|
1
Round 20
Redgar
Chronicle
|
|
1
Round 5
Redgar
d3ffo
sheydos
nAts
|
|
1
Round 20
Chronicle
|
|
|
|
|
70
|
1
|
1
|
ponkt
FNST
|
|
4
Round 7
Chronicle
nAts
Round 9
d3ffo
sheydos
Round 12
Chronicle
d3ffo
Round 13
d3ffo
sheydos
|
2
Round 11
Redgar
d3ffo
sheydos
Round 17
Chronicle
d3ffo
Redgar
|
1
Round 14
d3ffo
sheydos
Chronicle
nAts
|
|
|
1
Round 7
Chronicle
nAts
|
|
|
|
70
|
1
|
0
|
Foxie
FNST
|
|
5
Round 6
Redgar
nAts
Round 9
Redgar
Chronicle
Round 12
nAts
Redgar
Round 13
Redgar
Chronicle
Round 20
sheydos
nAts
|
1
Round 8
d3ffo
Redgar
sheydos
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
55
|
1
|
0
|
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
3
3
+0
|
3
2
+1
|
1
2
-1
|
1
5
-4
|
1
2
-1
|
Redgar
GMB
|
1
4
-3
|
1
3
-2
|
3
2
+1
|
4
5
-1
|
2
1
+1
|
sheydos
GMB
|
1
2
-1
|
2
4
-2
|
2
1
+1
|
3
4
-1
|
4
4
+0
|
nAts
GMB
|
3
3
+0
|
5
2
+3
|
5
3
+2
|
3
3
+0
|
4
4
+0
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
4
3
+1
|
3
4
-1
|
5
2
+3
|
5
2
+3
|
1
5
-4
|
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
2
0
+2
|
1
0
+1
|
1
0
+1
|
1
1
+0
|
0
1
-1
|
Redgar
GMB
|
|
|
1
2
-1
|
2
0
+2
|
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
|
|
|
|
nAts
GMB
|
1
0
+1
|
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
1
1
+0
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
0
1
-1
|
|
1
1
+0
|
2
1
+1
|
|
Foxie
FNST
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
ponkt
FNST
|
RECIDENT
FNST
|
10K
FNST
|
|
d3ffo
GMB
|
2
0
+2
|
1
1
+0
|
1
0
+1
|
1
0
+1
|
|
Redgar
GMB
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
|
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
nAts
GMB
|
|
|
|
|
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
d3ffo
GMB
|
|
1
Round 1
Foxie
10K
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
26
|
1
|
1
|
nAts
GMB
|
|
7
Round 1
ponkt
ALIVE
Round 2
10K
RECIDENT
Round 5
RECIDENT
ponkt
Round 9
ponkt
ALIVE
Round 10
Foxie
ponkt
Round 22
10K
Foxie
Round 23
ALIVE
RECIDENT
|
1
Round 20
Foxie
10K
ALIVE
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
61
|
0
|
0
|
Chronicle
GMB
|
|
5
Round 2
Foxie
ponkt
Round 12
RECIDENT
ALIVE
Round 17
Foxie
RECIDENT
Round 21
RECIDENT
ponkt
Round 22
ponkt
ALIVE
|
1
Round 6
RECIDENT
10K
Foxie
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
67
|
0
|
0
|
Redgar
GMB
|
|
2
Round 7
ponkt
RECIDENT
Round 12
ponkt
10K
|
|
|
|
1
Round 7
RECIDENT
|
|
|
|
|
43
|
4
|
0
|
sheydos
GMB
|
|
2
Round 7
10K
Foxie
Round 21
10K
ALIVE
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
37
|
0
|
0
|
10K
FNST
|
|
4
Round 8
Chronicle
nAts
Round 9
d3ffo
Chronicle
Round 14
Redgar
nAts
Round 19
nAts
Chronicle
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
58
|
2
|
0
|
ALIVE
FNST
|
|
3
Round 4
d3ffo
Chronicle
Round 8
Redgar
sheydos
Round 14
Chronicle
sheydos
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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42
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3
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0
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RECIDENT
FNST
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1
Round 7
d3ffo
sheydos
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2
Round 3
Chronicle
Redgar
sheydos
Round 18
nAts
sheydos
Redgar
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1
Round 15
nAts
sheydos
Redgar
Chronicle
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54
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0
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0
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ponkt
FNST
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4
Round 4
sheydos
nAts
Round 13
Chronicle
d3ffo
Round 16
nAts
Chronicle
Round 17
Redgar
nAts
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29
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0
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0
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Foxie
FNST
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2
Round 5
Chronicle
Redgar
Round 23
Chronicle
nAts
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1
Round 16
sheydos
d3ffo
Redgar
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48
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4
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1
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dogegamer [#3]gambit should stomp but they use these matches as scrims so who knows they might lose
If you think they'd lose just because "they use these matches as scrims" you clearly do not know gambit lol.
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#4]If you think they'd lose just because "they use these matches as scrims" you clearly do not know gambit lol.
Clearly doesn't know competitive sports, let alone anything to do with playing Valorant. You don't enter competitions and just lose for the fun of it. That's not how professionals think.
FIreFistOM [#13]This might be the best match in this tourney and they arent streaming it???
there is but israeli streamer
(he talk hebrew)
if you want
DCLXVI [#15]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEA12QRrerM&ab_channel=RonenGG - he will cast it (it is in Hebrew)
it* and I am not sure everyone want to join his stream, people like english streamers and that but yeah O_o
DCLXVI [#15]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEA12QRrerM&ab_channel=RonenGG - he will cast it (it is in Hebrew)
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azzyrah [#18]Gambit 2 - 1 Finest
maps: bind, ascent, icebox
idk the order and scores
already 13-5 icebox for gambit
azzyrah [#18]Gambit 2 - 1 Finest
maps: bind, ascent, icebox
idk the order and scores
delayed O_o it's already 1-0 to gambit and it was icebox
ReQuaD [#21]the bootcamp made finest worst then before... I don't know what happend to them
nah just gambit too stronk
ReQuaD [#21]the bootcamp made finest worst then before... I don't know what happend to them
not really, theyre just facing a very very strong Gambit
ReQuaD [#21]the bootcamp made finest worst then before... I don't know what happend to them
nah gambit is just on another level
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#4]If you think they'd lose just because "they use these matches as scrims" you clearly do not know gambit lol.
well obviously i meaned that they run weird comps in these matches u idiot
heavnsent [#9]Clearly doesn't know competitive sports, let alone anything to do with playing Valorant. You don't enter competitions and just lose for the fun of it. That's not how professionals think.
yes obviosly you want to win dumbass but these guys run the most random comps when they play these matches thats why i thought they might lose u dumb bitch
ReQuaD [#21]the bootcamp made finest worst then before... I don't know what happend to them
this didnt age well
be_sashok [#33]rofloturik. u nih redgar na awike igraet
ahahahahah blya nu vot opyat ebu4iy jidyara huiny veshaet. sin wluhi ebanoy
Danzo [#36]ahahahahah blya nu vot opyat ebu4iy jidyara huiny veshaet. sin wluhi ebanoy
u chela igra zhizny ahahah
be_sashok [#37]u chela igra zhizny ahahah
eshe blya ebu4aya 4urka na komentatore pizdit i pizdit, sin parashi ebanoy
Danzo [#40]eshe blya ebu4aya 4urka na komentatore pizdit i pizdit, sin parashi ebanoy
ya ego nahuy virubil na seredine pervoy mapi. pod musicu smotry. on ril shalupon ebuchaya
Danzo [#40]eshe blya ebu4aya 4urka na komentatore pizdit i pizdit, sin parashi ebanoy
nadeys shas gambit 14 12 zakroyt i ya chelu vnisu napishu chto on huesos
be_sashok [#42]nadeys shas gambit 14 12 zakroyt i ya chelu vnisu napishu chto on huesos
jidi ele ele protiv roflopika na rofloture chto-to viigrali, a viyobivautsa kak budto berlin zavrali
Danzo [#43]jidi ele ele protiv roflopika na rofloture chto-to viigrali, a viyobivautsa kak budto berlin zavrali
ladno pohuy. vse ravno eti dauni dazhe v main event challengersa ne vishli
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#4]If you think they'd lose just because "they use these matches as scrims" you clearly do not know gambit lol.
fucking told u dumb tich
dogegamer [#48]fucking told u dumb tich
Tell me you're a silly child without saying you're a silly child. Cheers.
dogegamer [#48]fucking told u dumb tich
What did you tell me? That Gambit will play like they play in scrims? They clearly played like they play like in officials outside of CIS so I don't know what you're telling me KEKW
https://www.vlr.gg/21654/gambit-esports-vs-one-breath-gaming-circuito-de-elite-round-1-open-qualifier-lr4
chill, gambit plays when it actually means something
Daniveus [#62]https://www.vlr.gg/21654/gambit-esports-vs-one-breath-gaming-circuito-de-elite-round-1-open-qualifier-lr4
chill, gambit plays when it actually means something
yeah I see 13-5, 13-4 to one breath (but yeah I feel like gambit is overrated because they play against top 200 in eu and unraked players while we play against top eu, like liquid and bds and hertiecs)
GalaxyMan [#70]yeah I see 13-5, 13-4 to one breath (but yeah I feel like gambit is overrated because they play against top 200 in eu and unraked players while we play against top eu, like liquid and bds and hertiecs)
I watched both cis, eu and tr vct matches. the most impressive teams were gambit and acend imo.
Gambit shows up when they need to and I think they have the potential to be the best team in the world rn, u shouldn't count them out just because they lose in a t3 tourney (they were not even playing their usual comps, so at best they were taking this match as a scrim)
clocksky888 [#58]Broski, calling Russians as "stinking" is kinda not cool. They haven't said anything bad about Finest above.
Our community is cringe, filled with unintellectual 12 year old kids.
Just ignore them.
clocksky888 [#58]Broski, calling Russians as "stinking" is kinda not cool. They haven't said anything bad about Finest above.
Dude, there's a thing called Google Translate, try this.
liorky6 [#73]Our community is cringe, filled with unintellectual 12 year old kids.
Just ignore them.
אחי סתום תפה, אני לא סתם אצא על מישהו סתם ככה ואקרא לו רוסי מסריח, תראה מה הוא רשם... מי הוא בכלל שיקלל את היהודים ויקרא להם מזדיינים, אנחנו לא ב1930 שאי אפשר להחזיר :)
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#4]If you think they'd lose just because "they use these matches as scrims" you clearly do not know gambit lol.
They actually do use these matches as scrims, head coach Engh warned about it before the start.
P34ceDoce [#76]They actually do use these matches as scrims, head coach Engh warned about it before the start.
No, that doesn't mean they use these matches as scrims. Everyone tests new comps in officials. Even Finest tested a new comp in this official on Breeze with KAY/O.
Gambit just lost to the better team today, who also was trying new comp. If they intentionally didn't try to win; that would be throwing/matchfixing. There's no way a coach is admitting to throwing, considering betting was enabled for this match lmao.
KingDice [#75]אחי סתום תפה, אני לא סתם אצא על מישהו סתם ככה ואקרא לו רוסי מסריח, תראה מה הוא רשם... מי הוא בכלל שיקלל את היהודים ויקרא להם מזדיינים, אנחנו לא ב1930 שאי אפשר להחזיר :)
what exactly or which comment # he said anything bad?
KingDice [#74]Dude, there's a thing called Google Translate, try this.
I don't need translate for that as esh li arbaha ehidot be lashon ve hamesh ehidot be rusit - bagrut. BTW, you don't have to reply with hate speech.... I know that sometimes it could be felt as unfair but it's not going to make shit better.