Downplaying Fnatic victories/trophies

Whats up with the downplaying of victories and trophies of teams? i have seen so many people downplay the winning teams by labeling the opponent bad, opposite of what it should be.

for example, people downplay Lock In so much because it was start of the franchise and new rosters everywhere but why do they also not consider Fnatic in that who won the tournament? like they will say its a Saadhak masterclass that Loud played so well with 2 new players while downplaying Fnatic and Boaster's work calling him lucky to have that roster (which he assembled himself) cant we just say that Fnatic won because they were better? same with the Tokyo masters, i saw people saying its a mickey mouse trophy because all teams were out of form, wouldnt it be more appropriate to say that no team was actually near Fnatic at that time? i do agree they fumbled bad at champs but i wouldnt say Loud were lucky to beat them as they countered fnatic very beautifully. Is it hate that fuels these things or jealousy idk? genuinely looking for opinions.

If there region/team ain't winning they don't accept it

That's the sad truth

This, but on Acend winning Champions

Bluelive [#3]

This, but on Acend winning Champions

i generalized the overall downplaying in my first line.

i mean FNC had two new players as well lol

all regions do this; there were some EU fans who did the same at for example Reykjavik 2021, whilst yeah there were unfortunate reasons for FNC not winning they were flaming OPTIC who in reality had won the tournament fair and square.

as to why people do it, i think it's pretty obvious:

1. its often true, if you lose a game it goes without saying that you have made at least one bad mistake
2. people would rather admit their own team's flaws as a one off rather than accept that a team is better than them

its mainly salty fans tbh everyone does it to an extent to defend their team saying other teams are trash its just a part of being a fan in any sport

Imo flukyo and fluke in dont count

ionlyHave1Zuni [#7]

Imo flukyo and fluke in dont count

nice bait

bluwupy [#8]

nice bait

Fluke in:

Single elim
Dumbass bracket
100k prizepool
Early in franchise so the teams that won was the teams with the strong core (drx, loud, navi, Lnatic)
Cauanzin 14yr at the time
Tuyz 0.5 months on controller

Flukyo:

I didnt get to watch the games therefore its a fluke

wiki [#5]

i mean FNC had two new players as well lol

all regions do this; there were some EU fans who did the same at for example Reykjavik 2021, whilst yeah there were unfortunate reasons for FNC not winning they were flaming OPTIC who in reality had won the tournament fair and square.

as to why people do it, i think it's pretty obvious:

1. its often true, if you lose a game it goes without saying that you have made at least one bad mistake
2. people would rather admit their own team's flaws as a one off rather than accept that a team is better than them

exactly my point for lock in

i mean FNC had two new players as well lol

ionlyHave1Zuni [#9]

Fluke in:

Single elim
Dumbass bracket
100k prizepool
Early in franchise so the teams that won was the teams with the strong core (drx, loud, navi, Lnatic)
Cauanzin 14yr at the time
Tuyz 0.5 months on controller

Flukyo:

I didnt get to watch the games therefore its a fluke

single elim means no mistakes
bracket was dumb doesnt rly matter
prizepool doesnt matter rly money is money winning is winning
i mean thats just how the gam works
he was 17
not other teams fault

w bait tho

bluwupy [#11]

single elim means no mistakes
bracket was dumb doesnt rly matter
prizepool doesnt matter rly money is money winning is winning
i mean thats just how the gam works
he was 17
not other teams fault

w bait tho

all i hear is emea cope. Nt

ionlyHave1Zuni [#9]

Fluke in:

Single elim
Dumbass bracket
100k prizepool
Early in franchise so the teams that won was the teams with the strong core (drx, loud, navi, Lnatic)
Cauanzin 14yr at the time
Tuyz 0.5 months on controller

Flukyo:

I didnt get to watch the games therefore its a fluke

u didnt watch tokyo cuz asspas got grouped?

ole_ [#13]

u didnt watch tokyo cuz asspas got grouped?

Not the 0 trophy region talking 👎👎👎 get a trophy ait??

Lock in: Micky mouse tournament cuz talon esport made into semi final.

Tokyo: PRX without smt, Loud disaster class choke, NRG with SHITMEA Spy.

ionlyHave1Zuni [#7]

Imo flukyo and fluke in dont count

what does zuni mean? and why do you have only one?

fnaticENJOYER [#16]

what does zuni mean? and why do you have only one?

Bf4 reference u wouldnt get it

Whats up with the downplaying of victories and trophies of teams? i have seen so many people downplay the winning teams by labeling the opponent bad, opposite of what it should be.

for example, people downplay Lock In so much because it was start of the franchise and new rosters everywhere but why do they also not consider Fnatic in that who won the tournament? like they will say its a Saadhak masterclass that Loud played so well with 2 new players while downplaying Fnatic and Boaster's work calling him lucky to have that roster (which he assembled himself) cant we just say that Fnatic won because they were better? same with the Tokyo masters, i saw people saying its a mickey mouse trophy because all teams were out of form, wouldnt it be more appropriate to say that no team was actually near Fnatic at that time? i do agree they fumbled bad at champs but i wouldnt say Loud were lucky to beat them as they countered fnatic very beautifully. Is it hate that fuels these things or jealousy idk? genuinely looking for opinions.

hunkkz [#18]

Whats up with the downplaying of victories and trophies of teams? i have seen so many people downplay the winning teams by labeling the opponent bad, opposite of what it should be.

for example, people downplay Lock In so much because it was start of the franchise and new rosters everywhere but why do they also not consider Fnatic in that who won the tournament? like they will say its a Saadhak masterclass that Loud played so well with 2 new players while downplaying Fnatic and Boaster's work calling him lucky to have that roster (which he assembled himself) cant we just say that Fnatic won because they were better? same with the Tokyo masters, i saw people saying its a mickey mouse trophy because all teams were out of form, wouldnt it be more appropriate to say that no team was actually near Fnatic at that time? i do agree they fumbled bad at champs but i wouldnt say Loud were lucky to beat them as they countered fnatic very beautifully. Is it hate that fuels these things or jealousy idk? genuinely looking for opinions.

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0fcuZ [#15]

Lock in: Micky mouse tournament cuz talon esport made into semi final.

Tokyo: PRX without smt, Loud disaster class choke, NRG with SHITMEA Spy.

Lock/In top 8: NRG, LOUD, DRX, TLN, NAVI, LEV, 100T and FNC. Outside of couple I wouldn't call that micky mouse.

people downplaying it are obviously from other regions and unhappy that fnatic won but ultimately if you had to compare the "value" of each tournament then lock-in would be at the bottom since it's single elim

patuj [#20]

Lock/In top 8: NRG, LOUD, DRX, TLN, NAVI, LEV, 100T and FNC. Outside of couple I wouldn't call that micky mouse.

KEKW. N0Vi who only made into champ cuz of Fnatic extra spot, Lev who did not made into champ and got diff by Kru, TLN literally garbage, 100T worst than Sens, NRG had SHITMEA Spy, Loud with 2 rookies, and DRX Top 3 cursed team.

This is one of the best thread with unbiased opinion in 2023.

0fcuZ [#22]

KEKW. N0Vi who only made into champ cuz of Fnatic extra spot, Lev who did not made into champ and got diff by Kru, TLN literally garbage, 100T worst than Sens, NRG had SHITMEA Spy, Loud with 2 rookies, and DRX Top 3 cursed team.

Saying that a bad team nowadays, was in the top 8 of lock//in and therefore it's not a good trophy is literally the dumbest take a man has ever said lmfao.

YeeeStefan [#24]

Saying that a bad team nowadays, was in the top 8 of lock//in and therefore it's not a good trophy is literally the dumbest take a man has ever said lmfao.

Nowadays???? Bruh, they all have same rosters after the tournament so what are you on about?
Just accept that SHITMEA can't never win a legit tournament.

0fcuZ [#15]

Lock in: Micky mouse tournament cuz talon esport made into semi final.

Tokyo: PRX without smt, Loud disaster class choke, NRG with SHITMEA Spy.

the fact that you are using "SHITMEA" in the counter argument really tells that you are not worth the time.

fnaticENJOYER [#26]

the fact that you are using "SHITMEA" in the counter argument really tells that you are not worth the time.

Cry about it.

uwukitten [#21]

people downplaying it are obviously from other regions and unhappy that fnatic won but ultimately if you had to compare the "value" of each tournament then lock-in would be at the bottom since it's single elim

yes, no doubt Lock in comes at last in value.

Champs is the most important tourny of the year where all the teams are in full strength, thats what led to all this downplaying those victories. Altough masters was kinda a solid win tbf but LockIn I would down play it myself as well.

0fcuZ [#27]

Cry about it.

😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

SEN_Moha [#29]

Champs is the most important tourny of the year where all the teams are in full strength, thats what led to all this downplaying those victories. Altough masters was kinda a solid win tbf but LockIn I would down play it myself as well.

agreed but i would love to know the reasoning behind Lock in downplay tho

0fcuZ [#25]

Nowadays???? Bruh, they all have same rosters after the tournament so what are you on about?
Just accept that SHITMEA can't never win a legit tournament.

1. teams can go downhill with the same roster, this is perfectly evident with Sentinels or 100T
2. after LOCK/IN LEV would go on to dominate the first half of NA season, so i'm not rly sure how you can claim they were bad without admitting your entire region was bad
3. TLN... sure, whatever. 1/8 of the top 8 were bad... so?
4. if you cared to read what i said, FNC had two new players as well. and LOUD's players were certainly not 'rookies' lmao, they werent some rdm ranked pickups
5. well if DRX was a top 3 cursed team surely they still would've presented a significant challenge to FNC until the GF?

using your own logic you are wrong.

SEN_Moha [#29]

Champs is the most important tourny of the year where all the teams are in full strength, thats what led to all this downplaying those victories. Altough masters was kinda a solid win tbf but LockIn I would down play it myself as well.

single elim formats make the competition tougher since u get only one chance to advance in the bracket and u have to play ur A game with the most insane grand finals in the history of valorant. doesnt any make sense people down playing it

nearest airport and bronzilians didnt like lock-in tournament. there's ur answer 🗿 👍

kinda sad that people will be so toxic and childish instead of enjoying good games of valorant

like it's normal to support a team and want them to win but also as spectators we want to see the best quality games and sometimes opponents are better, nothing wrong with that. bunch of immature kids on this site imo

Cuz fnatic fans are annoying and it’s funny to make fun of them.

wiki [#32]

1. teams can go downhill with the same roster, this is perfectly evident with Sentinels or 100T
2. after LOCK/IN LEV would go on to dominate the first half of NA season, so i'm not rly sure how you can claim they were bad without admitting your entire region was bad
3. TLN... sure, whatever. 1/8 of the top 8 were bad... so?
4. if you cared to read what i said, FNC had two new players as well. and LOUD's players were certainly not 'rookies' lmao, they werent some rdm ranked pickups
5. well if DRX was a top 3 cursed team surely they still would've presented a significant challenge to FNC until the GF?

using your own logic you are wrong.

1. Sens changed their rosters from when they were at prime.

   100T were good with their core, it's just that unlike SHITMEA league, America league is more competitive.

2. Never said Lev were bad. It's just that we got too many talents and great teams that even Lev who are strongly respected by many Valorant analyst, couldn't made into champ.

3. I'm actually surprised you agreed with this considering that most of your points are just clowning.

4. Fnatic got 2 new players which 1 is already a champion and 1 is well known cracked sova player in EU, and both has significant online / lan experience if you actually watch Valorant esport before 2022. Unlike them loud got 2 players who are not well known and certainly did not have lan experience. Also Loud still trash them anyway in champ, which is no doubt the most important tournament.

5. DRX played against Loud or you forgot about the lock in event? Donkey

ionlyHave1Zuni [#9]

Fluke in:

Single elim
Dumbass bracket
100k prizepool
Early in franchise so the teams that won was the teams with the strong core (drx, loud, navi, Lnatic)
Cauanzin 14yr at the time
Tuyz 0.5 months on controller

Flukyo:

I didnt get to watch the games therefore its a fluke

if LOUD won lockin and tokyo you'd be claiming it and playing the victim "the world hates brazil" lil bitch shit act ya'll love doing.

0fcuZ [#37]

1. Sens changed their rosters from when they were at prime.

   100T were good with their core, it's just that unlike SHITMEA league, America league is more competitive.

2. Never said Lev were bad. It's just that we got too many talents and great teams that even Lev who are strongly respected by many Valorant analyst, couldn't made into champ.

3. I'm actually surprised you agreed with this considering that most of your points are just clowning.

4. Fnatic got 2 new players which 1 is already a champion and 1 is well known cracked sova player in EU, and both has significant online / lan experience if you actually watch Valorant esport before 2022. Unlike them loud got 2 players who are not well known and certainly did not have lan experience. Also Loud still trash them anyway in champ, which is no doubt the most important tournament.

5. DRX played against Loud or you forgot about the lock in event? Donkey

idk, man. At this point, you're just trolling, or you're actually stupid lol. There's no way you watch sports/esports for a long time... teams can be in-form or out-of-form. They can adapt to the new meta or not. It's not that hard to understand this (at least if you're not American). It's not like FNC had a longer prep time or more time to create strats, antistrats, or protocols. It isn't 2021 Reykjavik where you just have to out-aim everybody with no brain, lol.

Bluelive [#3]

This, but on Acend winning Champions

Acend winning champs was mickey mouse because they were a team completely based on form and super inconsistent the whole year outside of champs. They also lost to VK and had to replay, and only barely beat Gambit in the GF. the playoff bracket was also really favorable for them, it was single elim and they got the best draw for playing Secret and TL before finals. considering they also pretty much imploded a few months after champs, i would definitely weigh their title pretty low compared to other LAN titles. to me, FNATIC winning LOCK/IN is pretty high up there

0fcuZ [#37]

1. Sens changed their rosters from when they were at prime.

   100T were good with their core, it's just that unlike SHITMEA league, America league is more competitive.

2. Never said Lev were bad. It's just that we got too many talents and great teams that even Lev who are strongly respected by many Valorant analyst, couldn't made into champ.

3. I'm actually surprised you agreed with this considering that most of your points are just clowning.

4. Fnatic got 2 new players which 1 is already a champion and 1 is well known cracked sova player in EU, and both has significant online / lan experience if you actually watch Valorant esport before 2022. Unlike them loud got 2 players who are not well known and certainly did not have lan experience. Also Loud still trash them anyway in champ, which is no doubt the most important tournament.

5. DRX played against Loud or you forgot about the lock in event? Donkey

what does them being well known have to do with their performance? true about LAN experience but that's hardly a difference big enough to make LOUD in such a bad state to the extent that it was a "micky mouse tournament"

sen did not change their roster at all during their initial performance drop. that's just a bear faced falsehood. their loss of M3 berlin and champions of 2021, then proceeding to get knocked out of challengers was all with dapr, tenz, shahzam, zombs and sick. that's a SIGNIFICANT performance drop with the same roster.

??? are you saying 100T were still good after losing to MIBR? lmao. if you don't consider that a performance drop from losing Home Ground that year and beating FNC in champions, then i don't know what to tell you.

uh no that's not what you implied about LEV, lmao, you literally implied that they did not present competition enough for fnc in the top 8. so therefore you must admit that a team that owned the Americas for the first half of the season was worse than FNC. this has nothing to do with champs, this was at the start of the year. as i've already shown, LEV can and did go significantly downhill and were particularly good at the start of the year, definitely in the top 4 of NA.

my points are clowning? lmao monka you literally just changed what you said, told literal falsehoods, and are denying that teams can go downhill with the same players. you actually look braindead