bro is such a mediocre flex
he's only good on raze and even there he's just a good raze, nothing special like, say jinggg
both his initiator util and his fragging on ini was dogshit
so many people blame cned for whatever reason but i would say zyppan dragged his team down more
and i saw braindead navi fans rating him above my goat chronicle as a flex
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Zyppan_Best_Raze [#4]I wouldn't rate Zyppan over chronicle but ur lying to yourself if you claim he isn't a world-class flex player
world class flex? Mf thinks he is on the same lvl with chronicle, ethan, f0rsaken or cloud
Z1ratul [#6]world class flex? Mf thinks he is on the same lvl with chronicle, ethan, f0rsaken or cloud
bro only cares about stats
Z1ratul [#3]both zyppan and cned were dogshit, but unfortunately NaVi will never sign 2 more Russians
lmao
I don’t get why people are complaining about Zyppan - he’s been one of the most consistent players throughout VALORANT’s history, and he puts up good numbers too. Sure, he’s not THE BEST but he should be in contention for being one of the top 5 flex players of all time. Also, there’s no way Zyppan is overrated because he’s often the unsung hero on NAVI.
terribletyranny [#11]not enough time on raze, he could be really good
need to let him develop
he literally has 200 games on raze
wdym not enough time on raze
oofington [#12]I don’t get why people are complaining about Zyppan - he’s been one of the most consistent players throughout VALORANT’s history, and he puts up good numbers too. Sure, he’s not THE BEST but he should be in contention for being one of the top 5 flex players of all time. Also, there’s no way Zyppan is overrated because he’s often the unsung hero on NAVI.
blud said top 5 flex
asuna, ethan, sick, victor and zekken all clear and thats just na
thenutoriousPRO [#16]blud said top 5 flex
asuna, ethan, sick, victor and zekken all clear and thats just na
all i said was that zyppan is in contention for being top 5 flex of all time, and if he isn't on your list then it is what it is. out of the 5 you just listed asuna and sick are below zyppan in my opinion (asuna is not as consistent results-wise, sick hasn't played for a while and sentinels were no good during 2022) - ethan is the only one that is definitely above zyppan currently on your list.
oofington [#12]I don’t get why people are complaining about Zyppan - he’s been one of the most consistent players throughout VALORANT’s history, and he puts up good numbers too. Sure, he’s not THE BEST but he should be in contention for being one of the top 5 flex players of all time. Also, there’s no way Zyppan is overrated because he’s often the unsung hero on NAVI.
im talking as a current flex, zyppan is mediocre (not bad)
obv zyppan was good in 2022
but in 2023, zyppan was a hard 4th in navi in terms of impact and fragging
top 5 current flex are (no order) forsaken chronicle ethan rb zekken
terribletyranny [#11]not enough time on raze, he could be really good
need to let him develop
Blud excells at raze
NAVI just always made Cned play raze for the longest time for some reason
Z1ratul [#3]both zyppan and cned were dogshit, but unfortunately NaVi will never sign 2 more Russians
Even if they wanted to sign 2 more russians, who could they sign? Nats is most likely fine on liquid, sheydos could be an option, chronicle ain’t leaving fnatic anytime soon, I don’t see why something would leave PRX, and Redgar has been quite underwhelming recently
thenutoriousPRO [#16]blud said top 5 flex
asuna, ethan, sick, victor and zekken all clear and thats just na
Asuna sick and zekken don’t even come close to zyppan lmfao especially the first two
Giannero [#23]Asuna sick and zekken don’t even come close to zyppan lmfao especially the first two
Bro really said Asuna and sick 💀
Pengu12 [#24]Bro really said Asuna and sick 💀
Those haven’t been relevant since 2021 and he thinks they’re better than zyppan 💀
horse69 [#14]stats is what makes a player good
Ur that one kind of person who trashtalk if someone is below you in game
Giannero [#25]Those haven’t been relevant since 2021 and he thinks they’re better than zyppan 💀
Asuna has never been relevant on flex 💀💀💀 he can only raze 💀💀
munestar [#5]why do people rate zyppan higher than chronicle in flex? chronicle has had a better agent pool for the longest time
Nobody does. The author of topic with North Korean flag is just baiting
Chirby [#20]Blud excells at raze
NAVI just always made Cned play raze for the longest time for some reason
because cned raze is much better than cned kayo and ardiis gives that flexibility of playing kayo so zyppan can raze
Sk00d [#28]Zyppan has been the issue with this lineup forever, even back when they were winning he was the one who mightve been dragging them down a bit
Inaccurate. When they were winning, zyppan was destroying on KayO. Last year he looked weak, as did must of navi
thenutoriousPRO [#16]blud said top 5 flex
asuna, ethan, sick, victor and zekken all clear and thats just na
Washed, one hit wonder, Sick 💀, fraud and overrated
yungbasel [#31]Inaccurate. When they were winning, zyppan was destroying on KayO. Last year he looked weak, as did must of navi
he was always the worst part of the team (except Ange1 but he has igl excuses) you just didn't care to notice since they were the best team in the world either way
Pengu12 [#24]Bro really said Asuna and sick 💀
sick had the highest peak of any flex ever and was the most consistent player on sen
MarvedClearsYou [#40]braindead paper rex fan, i dont like navi but calling zyppan overrated is braindead ngl, he was unable to shine this year because of cneds inability to be flexible at all, please use your brain, unlike paper rex actually does.
who hurt you
skatman [#18]im talking as a current flex, zyppan is mediocre (not bad)
obv zyppan was good in 2022
but in 2023, zyppan was a hard 4th in navi in terms of impact and fragging
top 5 current flex are (no order) forsaken chronicle ethan rb zekken
how tf zekken is in here when blud didnt play a single lan outside of 1 loss against fnatic?
Pengu12 [#27]Asuna has never been relevant on flex 💀💀💀 he can only raze 💀💀
Asuna has a nasty fade, kayo, and skye
skatman [#18]im talking as a current flex, zyppan is mediocre (not bad)
obv zyppan was good in 2022
but in 2023, zyppan was a hard 4th in navi in terms of impact and fragging
top 5 current flex are (no order) forsaken chronicle ethan rb zekken
how tf zekken is in here when blud didnt play a single lan outside of 1 loss against fnatic in 2023?
LouBag [#38]Zyppan is an extremely solid player, top 5 on n the region for his role.
When I think about it, initiators in EMEA have always been one of their weaker positions. Outside of arguably the 2 best in the world, Leo and chronical, you see a pretty quick decline.
Shao? Cloud? Enzo? Qraxs?
Er3ngenes1s [#46]how tf zekken is in here when blud didnt play a single lan outside of 1 loss against fnatic in 2023?
Zekken beat xerxia old FPX and FNC
Asuna_Yuuki [#48]Zekken beat xerxia old FPX and FNC
when did he beat FPX? he got smashed by them twice in a row in a single day due to the turret bug. and fnatic didnt have the same roster as the have now. Also i meant 2023, stop living in 2022 🗿
Er3ngenes1s [#49]when did he beat FPX? he got smashed by them twice in a row in a single day due to the turret bug. and fnatic didnt have the same roster as the have now. Also i meant 2023, stop living in 2022 🗿
https://www.vlr.gg/130629/funplus-phoenix-vs-xset-valorant-champions-2022-group-stage-winners-c
You’re living in 2021 with that flair boi
Typer [#26]Ur that one kind of person who trashtalk if someone is below you in game
well what makes zyppan good then
MarvedClearsYou [#40]braindead paper rex fan, i dont like navi but calling zyppan overrated is braindead ngl, he was unable to shine this year because of cneds inability to be flexible at all, please use your brain, unlike paper rex actually does.
can your super mega big brain explain how does cned’s so called inability to be flexible affect a so called “good flex” player? zyppan is a good raze and kayo but nothing more. and I don’t think playing kayo requires something like extra brain or talent. you just win aim fights if your aim is good that’s all and zyppan’s aim is good so is cned’s. also remember ange1 and d00mbros chose who plays which agent, not players. making cned play kayo in a team where zyppan is same as making him play viper where suygetsu exists. at this point you should blame cned for not playing sentinels too idk what to say anymore
Z1ratul [#6]world class flex? Mf thinks he is on the same lvl with chronicle, ethan, f0rsaken or cloud
need more proof, but I hope Dep counts as one of the biggest fleck players in the world.
Asuna_Yuuki [#52]https://www.vlr.gg/130629/funplus-phoenix-vs-xset-valorant-champions-2022-group-stage-winners-c
You’re living in 2021 with that flair boi
https://www.vlr.gg/130688/xset-vs-funplus-phoenix-valorant-champions-2022-lr2 blud thought i wouldnt notice a group stage game which nobody cares bout it 🗿
Talking about 2021, they absolutely flattened ur goats: https://www.vlr.gg/34979/envy-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-gf
Yet my point stays for the above comment, i meant about 2023, not 2022 and 2021. Hope u understand now 😁 🙏
Sk00d [#33]he was always the worst part of the team (except Ange1 but he has igl excuses) you just didn't care to notice since they were the best team in the world either way
Statistically and visually speaking, you're chatting absolute shit and wouldn't be able to make a decent argument to prove otherwise if you really wanted to.
Giannero [#21]Even if they wanted to sign 2 more russians, who could they sign? Nats is most likely fine on liquid, sheydos could be an option, chronicle ain’t leaving fnatic anytime soon, I don’t see why something would leave PRX, and Redgar has been quite underwhelming recently
Redgar has always been a little overrated imo, Gambit were never a great attacking team. Their defense side was amazing, but on attack, they got hard carried by individual skill. When people started figuring out how to counter nAts lurks, and when D3ffo didn't perform online like he did on LAN, they struggled a lot.
yungbasel [#58]Statistically and visually speaking, you're chatting absolute shit and wouldn't be able to make a decent argument to prove otherwise if you really wanted to.
idk statistically but visually it was always obvious
dont even know if vods from their time are still up so idk if i could prove it even if i wanted to, but tbh i wont bother - at the end of the day these are just our opinions amiright?
In my opinion Zyppan is the most consistent part of NaVi.
The problem is that Suygetsu and Shao have games where they just explode and carry which makes no one realize what Zyppan is.
Shao and Suygetsu have games that are great and they destroy and others that are just good (meh good) while Zyppan is consistently very good (or solid good) while also having some carry games.
thenutoriousPRO [#39]sick had the highest peak of any flex ever and was the most consistent player on sen
i mean yeah but he's not playing right now, is he
Diebs [#30]because cned raze is much better than cned kayo and ardiis gives that flexibility of playing kayo so zyppan can raze
Ardiis was playing chamber & jett mostly, not KAY/O
Giannero [#21]Even if they wanted to sign 2 more russians, who could they sign? Nats is most likely fine on liquid, sheydos could be an option, chronicle ain’t leaving fnatic anytime soon, I don’t see why something would leave PRX, and Redgar has been quite underwhelming recently
-cnoob -shitppan -DementiaGE1 +Jemkin +Kr1stal +Sheydos
lilcheese [#32]Washed, one hit wonder, Sick 💀, fraud and overrated
No way bro called zekken overrated
yurikai0 [#55]can your super mega big brain explain how does cned’s so called inability to be flexible affect a so called “good flex” player? zyppan is a good raze and kayo but nothing more. and I don’t think playing kayo requires something like extra brain or talent. you just win aim fights if your aim is good that’s all and zyppan’s aim is good so is cned’s. also remember ange1 and d00mbros chose who plays which agent, not players. making cned play kayo in a team where zyppan is same as making him play viper where suygetsu exists. at this point you should blame cned for not playing sentinels too idk what to say anymore
look at their lotus comp from their game against drx or loud i forgot, guess who played raze
if we look at the regular season, we never saw zyppan on raze, only skye kay/o fade sooo, he didnt flex, and guess why, because cned couldnt play anything else
MarvedClearsYou [#72]look at their lotus comp from their game against drx or loud i forgot, guess who played raze
if we look at the regular season, we never saw zyppan on raze, only skye kay/o fade sooo, he didnt flex, and guess why, because cned couldnt play anything else
he literally plays something else in loud match which is neon and is the second best player after less. a player can be better on an agent than the other, that's normal. not all duelists or initiators can play every agent in their role at high level or at least most of them and that's perfectly fine. if you're gonna say cned can't play anything else and isn't flexible just because someone in the team is better raze than him, you have to also say zyppan isn't flex because he is a shit breach and he is the reason the team almost never played him. also shao played fade most of the time, not zyppan. it's weird to think cned can't play kayo or skye when he plays sage, chamber, yoru(which is a shit agent and he played well), decent kj, played good omen in praccs as ange1 said, and much more. cned performed better than most of his teammates when he was forced to play characters that didn't suit his playstyle and most of the time navi's comps were troll and off-meta. zyppan was 1 match insane and dogshit the 5 others. not to mention ange1's no brain deaths. suygetsu would win 1 or 2 clutches and disappear the next 5 6 rounds. its also funny how people talk cned didn't fit in team's chemistry when navi threw many rounds which didn't even involved cned. if cned is not flexible and the others are why did they make him play yoru or neon then? did zyppan had insane impact with raze? if it was cned who played like zyppan on last map against loud you'd talk for months how bad he is. but none of these are relevant. the fact is that ange1's and coach's stubbornnes to play different comps for each map and team caused each player to underperform. yes, you may argue that cned is not as good with other agents as duelists but it is obvious that the other players are also not as flex as they think they are. also it's the same for zyppan. if he is not one trick kayo or raze, why doesn't he play neon or yoru or sage. it's weird saying cned isn't flexible because he didn't play kayo and zyppan is when he only played kayo and raze. if zyppan was better neon yoru jett kj and omen than cned, why did the team gave the hard role to cned. instead they could give him kayo which doesn't require any skills other than aim to cned. they would definitely gain more. anyways you're just gonna type ''not reading allat'' and continue your ignorant life
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