Kkonakorner [#2]crazy how a talentless region like EMEA didn't rely on cs rejects to carry their scene unlike some other regions, all other pc fps's are dead in ur region so they just all switch to val insane talent u have
He doesn’t know, does he
spookmeister [#3]He doesn’t know, does he
nah tell me what was i wrong about,EMEA top players are ppl who barely had a esports careers or didn't even have one before val while NA is filled with experienced tier 1/3 players from other games like cs,is this not a fact
nutab1e [#5]great gm decision to keep m0xwell payrolled for 3 years
true but I mean, the org didn't go broke bc of it
Kkonakorner [#4]nah tell me what was i wrong about,EMEA top players are ppl who barely had a esports careers or didn't even have one before val while NA is filled with experienced tier 1/3 players from other games like cs,is this not a fact
EMEA didn’t rely on CS rejects to carry their scene
LMFAO
-Boaster
-Derke
-Ange1
-Ardiis
-jamppi
-soulcas
-nAts
-sayf
-hoody
-nukkye
-rhyme
-m0xwell
edit: nice edit buddy going from “tell me what I was wrong about” to “ummmm well uhh they BARELY had any career!”
spookmeister [#8]EMEA didn’t rely on CS rejects to carry their scene
LMFAO
-Boaster
-Derke
-Ange1
-Ardiis
-jamppi
-soulcas
-nAts
-sayf
-hoody
-nukkye
-rhyme
-m0xwelledit: nice edit buddy going from “tell me what I was wrong about” to “ummmm well uhh they BARELY had any career!”
plenty more than that that are not tier 1 anymore
Kiko [#9]plenty more than that that are not tier 1 anymore
Of course. Even NBK but he couldn’t even get out of t3 LMFAOO
but yeah I only listed people who were in last years franchising
spookmeister [#8]EMEA didn’t rely on CS rejects to carry their scene
LMFAO
-Boaster
-Derke
-Ange1
-Ardiis
-jamppi
-soulcas
-nAts
-sayf
-hoody
-nukkye
-rhyme
-m0xwelledit: nice edit buddy going from “tell me what I was wrong about” to “ummmm well uhh they BARELY had any career!”
absolutely cooked him
spookmeister [#8]EMEA didn’t rely on CS rejects to carry their scene
LMFAO
-Boaster
-Derke
-Ange1
-Ardiis
-jamppi
-soulcas
-nAts
-sayf
-hoody
-nukkye
-rhyme
-m0xwelledit: nice edit buddy going from “tell me what I was wrong about” to “ummmm well uhh they BARELY had any career!”
Difference is that pretty much none of those switches affected the EU CS scene at all while NA switches pretty much killed any scene NA had. Mostly tier 2-3 players who wouldn't have never seen a day of tier 1 CSGO. Let alone the potential talent that decided to focus on CSGO and are doing it rn compared to NA where there's almost 0 up and coming talent.
Overall point is that NA is full into Valorant while CS is still really popular in EU and pretty much most top talent stayed playing it.
spookmeister [#8]EMEA didn’t rely on CS rejects to carry their scene
LMFAO
-Boaster
-Derke
-Ange1
-Ardiis
-jamppi
-soulcas
-nAts
-sayf
-hoody
-nukkye
-rhyme
-m0xwelledit: nice edit buddy going from “tell me what I was wrong about” to “ummmm well uhh they BARELY had any career!”
thank u for this u did the work for me,so these are the best and most accomplished rejects u can find in eu val,including tier 3 ukcs players,ardiis who played 2 months in endpoint,nats with 7 hltv games,rhyme with 5 in some random pug teams
now lets see NA ex and current tier 1 players with atleast notable tier 1-3 experience and were signed in actual orgs
-xeppaa
-leaf
-vanity
-fns
-yay
-ethan
-nitr0
-tenz
-victor
-crashies
-sick
-shahzam
-dapr
-s0m
-zellsis
-mitch
-dephh
-hazed
-subroza
-dazzle
-moose
-wardell
plenty more than that that are not tier 1 anymore
Kkonakorner [#14]#13
You after realizing every region's valorant scene is carried by ex cs pros 😲😲😲
Yistyy [#15]You after realizing every region's valorant scene is carried by ex cs pros 😲😲😲
u after realizing NA is carried the most by far and its not even close😲😲😲
Kkonakorner [#13]thank u for this u did the work for me,so these are the best and most accomplished rejects u can find in eu val,including tier 3 ukcs players,ardiis who played 2 months in endpoint,nats with 7 hltv games,rhyme with 5 in some random pug teams
now lets see NA ex and current tier 1 players with atleast notable tier 1-3 experience and were signed in actual orgs
-xeppaa
-leaf
-vanity
-fns
-yay
-ethan
-nitr0
-tenz
-victor
-crashies
-sick
-shahzam
-dapr
-s0m
-zellsis
-mitch
-dephh
-hazed
-subroza
-dazzle
-moose
-wardellplenty more than that that are not tier 1 anymore
He only put franchised players
Not to mention you’re just proving his point that both regions have retired cs players and to make that take is dumb
Kkonakorner [#16]u after realizing NA is carried the most by far and its not even close😲😲😲
Yeah, and EMEA can't even rely on their ex cs players. They just lose anyway kkkkkkkkkkkkk
Yistyy [#18]Yeah, and EMEA can't even rely on their ex cs players. They just lose anyway kkkkkkkkkkkkk
because eu had no reason to move 70% of their tier 2 scene to another game,theres like 5 or 6 serious cs payers from eu who switched
patuj [#12]Difference is that pretty much none of those switches affected the EU CS scene at all while NA switches pretty much killed any scene NA had. Mostly tier 2-3 players who wouldn't have never seen a day of tier 1 CSGO. Let alone the potential talent that decided to focus on CSGO and are doing it rn compared to NA where there's almost 0 up and coming talent.
Overall point is that NA is full into Valorant while CS is still really popular in EU and pretty much most top talent stayed playing it.
U act like NA CS had any life in it other than Liquid at that point 💀💀 (rip liquid cs tho. whoever the manager is there is braindead)
NA CS was already losing a shitload of orgs and players. I’m pretty sure Chaos EC closed b/c of Covid related business issues, right? Players had nowhere to go and NA CS was already dead. The switches didn’t cause the death of NA CS, they were the result of it.
Ok, for real tho, I never said they affected the eu cs scene, idrk why you brought it up. I’m just saying… boaster lowkey WAS a CS reject. He never escaped British T2 land. So were most of the rest I listed. The dude I was responding to said EMEA wasn’t carried by cs rejects, but a shitload of top players are exactly that.
Kkonakorner [#13]thank u for this u did the work for me,so these are the best and most accomplished rejects u can find in eu val,including tier 3 ukcs players,ardiis who played 2 months in endpoint,nats with 7 hltv games,rhyme with 5 in some random pug teams
now lets see NA ex and current tier 1 players with atleast notable tier 1-3 experience and were signed in actual orgs
-xeppaa
-leaf
-vanity
-fns
-yay
-ethan
-nitr0
-tenz
-victor
-crashies
-sick
-shahzam
-dapr
-s0m
-zellsis
-mitch
-dephh
-hazed
-subroza
-dazzle
-moose
-wardellplenty more than that that are not tier 1 anymore
So how does this disprove that EU has a lot of top players that are CS rejects?
All it does is show NA has more. But I never denied that. You’re arguing nothing
FluffyRhino4 [#17]He only put franchised players
Not to mention you’re just proving his point that both regions have retired cs players and to make that take is dumb
hard t argue with ppl who have 0 cs knowledge,if u knew cs would know that these payers i listed from NA were miles better even in cs than those eu payers he named with a few expections
Kkonakorner [#22]hard t argue with ppl who have 0 cs knowledge,if u knew cs would know that these payers i listed from NA were miles better even in cs than those eu payers he named with a few expections
If u had any Valorant knowledge you’d know that it’s a completely different game than cs. You can’t rely on mechanics. It’s a strategy game that’s not built for brain dead players
spookmeister [#21]So how does this disprove that EU has a lot of top players that are CS rejects?
All it does is show NA has more. But I never denied that. You’re arguing nothing
that the NA rejects actually had careers? Had t put p nats and rhyme with under 10 hltv games in some tier 31151 pug teams to make it seem bigger,im talking abt players who actually had some stock in the cs market but still decided to switch,and the part where i said NA has been carried by them
Kkonakorner [#19]because eu had no reason to move 70% of their tier 2 scene to another game,theres like 5 or 6 serious cs payers from eu who switched
now you're just giving excuses. just admit your original argument is flawed.
FluffyRhino4 [#23]If u had any Valorant knowledge you’d know that it’s a completely different game than cs. You can’t rely on mechanics. It’s a strategy game that’s not built for brain dead players
completely different game strikes again,u can absolutely rely n mechanics 100% in val,scream didnt play tier 1 cs since 2018 but managed to stay in tier 1 val for 2 years just from his aim
he would still absolutely keep up in tier 1 if he wasn't igling
Kkonakorner [#19]because eu had no reason to move 70% of their tier 2 scene to another game,theres like 5 or 6 serious cs payers from eu who switched
Lmao Ethan was the only cs player on the team that won champs
Not to mention he won by playing his role at util which is what makes Valorant completely different from cs
Kkonakorner [#26]completely different game strikes again,u can absolutely rely n mechanics 100% in val,scream didnt play tier 1 cs since 2018 but managed to stay in tier 1 val for 2 years just from his aim
he would still absolutely keep up in tier 1 if he wasn't igling
Ur point is that na relies on ex cs players lmao
Let me ask u this who had more former cs players on their team Fnatic or eg?
FluffyRhino4 [#28]Ur point is that na relies on ex cs players lmao
Let me ask u this who had more former cs players on their team Fnatic or eg?
both have the same amount afaik,c0m,ethan and jawgemo are from cs but i cant ca jawgemo reject cause he barely even payed pro,i cant find anything on chronicle or alfa
FluffyRhino4 [#27]Lmao Ethan was the only cs player on the team that won champs
Not to mention he won by playing his role at util which is what makes Valorant completely different from cs
wtf are u taking about just stfu if u dont know retard why am i even arguing with u
https://www.hltv.org/player/11226/jawgemo
https://www.hltv.org/player/13381/c0m
Kkonakorner [#30]wtf are u taking about just stfu if u dont know retard why am i even arguing with u
https://www.hltv.org/player/11226/jawgemo
https://www.hltv.org/player/13381/c0m
Jawgemo played 2 matches lmao
And yea I don’t know u retard? Lmao
Yistyy [#25]now you're just giving excuses. just admit your original argument is flawed.
what excuses,what am i excusing i still stand by what i said,NA has been carried by the better and more experienced cs payers while eu has had way more success with players who are mostly starting their pro careers in val,the only outlier is this current eg team
Kkonakorner [#29]both have the same amount afaik,c0m,ethan and jawgemo are from cs but i cant ca jawgemo reject cause he barely even payed pro,i cant find anything on chronicle or alfa
The only real players were boaster derke and Ethan
FluffyRhino4 [#31]Jawgemo played 2 matches lmao
And yea I don’t know u retard? Lmao
d u lack braincells? u asked why had the most cs players
FluffyRhino4 [#33]The only real players were boaster derke and Ethan
well the then rhyme,nats or ardiis weren't cs players either,ardiis played in a team for 2 months and rhyme and nats have 5 and 7 games
DeluluGavin [#6]didn't know NA was so talented. surely they have more trophies right? oh wait...
more Champs trophies?
Kkonakorner [#34]d u lack braincells? u asked why had the most cs players
Why had the most cs players?
And I’m brain dead?
Kkonakorner [#35]well the then rhyme,nats or ardiis weren't cs players either,ardiis played in a team for 2 months and rhyme and nats have 5 and 7 games
Yes I agree
FluffyRhino4 [#38]Yes I agree
exacty then emea has def not been "carried" by cs rejects as i said,0 from gambit were cs rejects,0 from acend were cs rejects,1 from fpx was,and 2 from fnatic are
NA top teams have had way more rejects and of a higher caliber,i didnt initially mean that eu didnt have cs rejects at the top meant that NA has been carried by them way and have them way more than eu,without a single mid-high tier cs player eu would still have 2 whole trophies
valorant_player [#36]more Champs trophies?
Let me remind you that LOUD winning champs trophy does not count as NA winning a champs trophy in 2022. ACEND in 2021 and EG in 2023. your point is...?
Kkonakorner [#16]u after realizing NA is carried the most by far and its not even close😲😲😲
explain the eg roster then gang
Kkonakorner [#32]what excuses,what am i excusing i still stand by what i said,NA has been carried by the better and more experienced cs payers while eu has had way more success with players who are mostly starting their pro careers in val,the only outlier is this current eg team
As an eu fan, I disagree. Our region has been hard carried by cs players
moatz [#46]As an eu fan, I disagree. Our region has been hard carried by cs players
as a honest NA fan i disagree with ur disagreement, if we look at the statistics it is actually north America
just imagine NA without yay,tenz,fns,ethan,victor,crashies,vanity,leaf,xeppaa,sick,dapr and shahzam
we would unironically be like a latam tier region,they have literally carried r scenes legacy for the past 2 years while emea entire teams withut cs rejects winning masters and champs like acend and gambit
Kkonakorner [#47]as a honest NA fan i disagree with ur disagreement, if we look at the statistics it is actually north America
just imagine NA without yay,tenz,fns,ethan,victor,crashies,vanity,leaf,xeppaa,sick,dapr and shahzam
we would unironically be like a latam tier region,they have literally carried r scenes legacy for the past 2 years while emea entire teams withut cs rejects winning masters and champs like acend and gambit
Well as an EU fan from England whose fav team is Karmine Corp, I disagree with ur disagreement to my disagreement
I can honestly say that the region of the reigning champions hard clear us with or w/o cs players
moatz [#48]Well as an EU fan from England whose fav team is Karmine Corp, I disagree with ur disagreement to my disagreement
I can honestly say that the region of the reigning champions hard clear us with or w/o cs players
well as a NA fan who has researched the scene since 2020 ill have to refute this claim,i fear this would be our first great team and trophy if it wasnt for the cs rejects who carried us in 2021 and 2022,it is actually quite devastating to think where we would be without them
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