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#14
Danny
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Shopify Rebellion was garbage well before Vanity joined

he's the only reason they got as many wins as they did

your recency bias is insane. That singular game doesn't change a thing

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Being a better IGL than dazzle is not that much of an accomplishment, plus vanity is never going to be able to be the best player in a lobby. Shahz just brings so much more firepower, and let's be real, the teams with better depth tend to do better. Also, Shahz was legit even better than Oxy over the course of the challengers year, like give it up. Let me know when vanity is ever the best player on his team.

#16
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Shahz failing to use OXY and just setting himself up for kills is why G2 was so bad. Your IGL should set up your team, not the other way around

Teams with better depth don't tend to do better, the 2 best IGL's in the game, FNS and Boaster are often the worst rated on their team

Also, using Shopify vs G2 as reasoning shahz is better is stupid, with that logic Trick, babybay, fiziq, and mitch are better igls than shahz

#17
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So, it's shahz's fault OXY underperformed in games? Also, it's not that G2 was setting Shahz up for kills, it's, hear me out...Shahz is good at aiming. He can just win fights. Simple as that. And I'm not using just that one game as my reasoning, it's just an example, but these are the stats for the whole year:

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1458/challengers-league-north-america

Also, teams with better depth absolutely do better, most often. FNC, PRX, EG, LOUD, DRX, NAVI/FPX, EDG, etc. All these teams at their peak were so good in part because of depth, because players on their team could win them rounds if needed. Ofc not all teams with good depth will be good like SEN from last year, but teams like KC, or T1 where they tend to rely on a couple of players to win, tend to underperform.
(Boaster had an insanely stacked team let's be real, an FNS has also had very deep teams)

Tbh this argument is dumb asf because neither Shahz nor vanity has done anything of note since 2021, and if both are truly mid at best, in terms of IGLing, I'll take the one who can win me rounds/games.

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Danny
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You're saying that teams need a fragging IGL and bringing up FNC and NAVI?????????????????????????

yes bro for sure Ange1 best fragging igl

#23
StutterSt3p
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I never said anything about fragging IGLs specifically, the point was just about firepower overall. The firepower of FNC and NAVI is undeniable, and in their cases, the IGL is the weak link mechanically.

My other point is that one big upside to Shahz is that on most teams, not only will he not be the weak link mechanically, but he could be one of the better players on that team, which is something that can't be said for a lot of top-tier IGLs.

#26
Danny
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I think that C9 will have depth with or without Shahzam, and that a good IGL is far more important than someone who went 1/8 in second split ascension with almost the same roster but had better stats

#27
StutterSt3p
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Eh, they have some talent, but wippie and vanity are kinda mid. Shahz would give them a massive upgrade in firepower, and is a good IGL, lol.

#28
Danny
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shahz is a horrible IGL

#29
StutterSt3p
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Idk what player you've been watching but it ain't Shahz. And if you genuinely think there's that much of a gap between Shahz and vanity in terms of IGLing, then idk what to say lol.

#24
NoOne_ButMe
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Bro haven't seen angel fragging

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