Does anyone know anything?

#107

Raevus

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I agree that the t3 pool isn't as bad as I might make it out to be. In the grand scheme of t1/2/3, it's "dogshit". compared to the world, it's still something 99% of players dream about.
individually, I dont think as of right now, GC teams have the individual talent of t1/2. In a few years after the scene develops, yes. Right now, no shot.

There are players that shine in t2/3. Hell, it's where Demon1 came from. Just no GC player shines right now. They shine in GC where people start to believe a player is far better than what they are, only to have the C9W situation happen.

With jakee and Runi, they were both demons in tier2 (pre ascension), at the time. Runi on SQ had good runs, and Jakee on nsic had some decent runs, however he shone during the colligate league. Both wernt completely unknown players, they just wernt big names in tier2/3 at the time.
however lets not kid ourselves like there weren't better player that could have been picked up. C9 just didn't have any money, and their risk picking up two players from what became tier3, payed off.
No paid analyst could have forseen what c9 were going to do. However after dropping yay and vanity because they didn't have the funds, their pick ups made far more sense given both were free agents.

#108

Nachtel

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I would honestly pair the collegiate league and GC as 1:1 in terms of how developed they are.

Hell even I've shit on collegiate teams because 70% of them are the only people to have hit immortal in their schools and subsequently got added to the school's valorant roster as a result

I think if someone like jakee can be given a shot based on collegiate performance then I can totally see someone like florescent being given a shot based on her GC performance

#109

Raevus

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I agree with that them being 1:1. I'd even argue that overall, GC is a better league, as I believe the general skill ceiling is higher in GC than collegiate leagues. This is mainly down to teams having players join, because they need to fill numbers.
The only thing with Jakee, was experience in what was tier2 at the time, with good performances. It's just his most recent great performances before the c9 pickup, was him on his college team.

#110

Nachtel

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wouldn't you be able to say the same about Bob, who not only played in NA tier 2 in early 2022 but also won a first strike?

#112

Raevus

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Bob could have been picked up, but there's no chance C9 post yay dropping was paying a buyout. Bob flo, and sarah are the 3 NA GC players who have mechanics to contest top of current t3. I can't seen them competing 1-1 against the current t2 teams for a spot as initiator and Duelist. The current t2 teams sova and duelist players are all cracked out of their minds.

top t3 teams, I can see Sarah or bob competing for a spot. Flo, I think the current teams aiming for ascension have Jett players who are just better than her right now.

#113

Nachtel

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I think my issue comes from the notion that GC players wouldn't be able to perform well in tier2/tier1

Like you said, theres so many cracked out initiators/duelists in tier 2, but the gap between Tier 2 and tier 1 is so small that while yes, there are better players in Tier 2, that doesn't necessarily mean that GC players wouldn't still be able to perform in T2/T1.

Imo if mCe had picked up skuba instead of jakee (which he did for budget reasons) then C9 would've done better, but that doesn't mean jakee himself performed badly on C9.

Does that point make sense?

#116

Raevus

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It makes perfect sense.

My whole pov, althought not the same.

For GC players, they excel in GC. These players struggle against t3 male teams. the gap between the top of tier2 and tier1 is small, as the players in both leagues were competing against each other for years, and could all honestly play in each league, despite a few superstar players.
In a couple years, I can see flo being in tier2. Right now she's still like what, 17. she's still learning. I feel people treat her like shes monesy, being a young phenom. She's a great player, but given a few more years to develop, she'll leave GC behind her hopefully, and compete in t2, and maybe t1. Right now though, she's the only one I can see with the potential to push through. I'd say Mary, but she retired unluckily. bob, sarah, and mel. there are better choices grinding in t3 atm, who arent good enough to play in t2, let alone t1.

I agree with skuba. I also think brawk would have been a great pickup if they had the money aswell. Hell, Zander would have been a phenomenal pickup over Jakee, aswell as Nismo. However they were broke and went with two players who nobody believes in, and who both performed pretty well considering they were thrown into the deep end, with huge amounts of pressure on them.