Objective assessment of NAVI vs Loud

Let's calculate the odds in terms of players diffing each other.

Aspas vs cNed
Boils down to whoever ops better. My money is on cNed. cNed should just maintain his consistency and then it's an easy diff, although I respect aspas a lot and think he can have more impact than cNed

Therefore, aspas>cNed

Less vs Suygetsu
Suygetsu better aim but Less better utility. Less has the best aim in Loud, not to discount him or anything.
But suygetsu wins rounds one cannot imagine. He is out of this world.

Therefore, suygetsu>Less

Ange1 vs Saadhak
Anyway

Shao vs caunzin
Shao is the best player in the world, hands down. He never loses a clutch. He is a one man army, incredibly smart. Suygetsu and him are unmatched. Caunzin on the other hand is one of the best Skye players in the world, his util is good and he can sometimes win Loud rounds on his own.

Therefore, Shao>caunzin

Zyppan vs tuyz

Therefore, Zyppan>tuyz

Can ange1 1v5 clutch? No

Objective assessment: both teams are good and it's gonna be a close match

Respectfully Angel clears
When angel dies first you get the IGL masterclass and when he is alive you get the round winning multiple kills from him. Its just a win win situation for Navi

Cacachocolat [#3]

Objective assessment: both teams are good and it's gonna be a close match

Won't deny that, I am really excited.

zlat [#4]

Respectfully Angel clears
When angel dies first you get the IGL masterclass and when he is alive you get the round winning multiple kills from him. Its just a win win situation for Navi

He was so good at Lock In what the fuck happened

Cacachocolat [#3]

Objective assessment: both teams are good and it's gonna be a close match

this.

zlat [#4]

Respectfully Angel clears
When angel dies first you get the IGL masterclass and when he is alive you get the round winning multiple kills from him. Its just a win win situation for Navi

yeah because saadhak isnt good at calling and doesnt pull impossible clutches out of his ass /s

NAVI has better players, better gameplan, and better tactics. Unlucky that Loud had to face them in an elimination match

Aspas >> Cned
Less => suygetsu
Saadhak >>> Ange0
Shao => Caunzin
Zyppan = tuyz

LOUD masterclass today, wait and see

Zerphyr1 [#10]

Aspas >> Cned
Less => suygetsu
Saadhak >>> Ange0
Shao => Caunzin
Zyppan = tuyz

One of the worst takes anyone has ever given on vlr.

It is crazy that you think cned > aspas

Aspas is better at literally everything including oping

Also Aspas is good on Raze

cned ain't even the best player on his team

Ryszafiel [#12]

One of the worst takes anyone has ever given on vlr.

says the guy who thinks marved is on nrg

what was the reason for Navi's downfall ? and why is it ardiis leaving

Dartmoor [#11]

LOUD masterclass today, wait and see

LOUD masterclass speed running airport any%

Zerphyr1 [#14]

says the guy who thinks marved is on nrg

THat's the joke

Ryszafiel [#17]

THat's the joke

? I know you will be very sad when navi losses today but you have already forgotten to take your meds so I would recommend you take them now so you don't destroy anything when they lose.

Asuna_Yuuki [#13]

It is crazy that you think cned > aspas

Aspas is better at literally everything including oping

Also Aspas is good on Raze

cned ain't even the best player on his team

When did I ever call cNed better than aspas lmfao. I said cNed can have amazing impact if he's turned up but he's inconsistent unlike aspas. Aspas's Raze isn't better than Zyppan's.

Zerphyr1 [#18]

? I know you will be very sad when navi losses today but you have already forgotten to take your meds so I would recommend you take them now so you don't destroy anything when they lose.

The only thing saddening to me is your spelling of "loses"

ShanksFan69 [#15]

what was the reason for Navi's downfall ? and why is it ardiis leaving

Botdiis wasn't the reason for NAVI's downfall, it was Ange1's shitty plays.

Ryszafiel [#19]

When did I ever call cNed better than aspas lmfao. I said cNed can have amazing impact if he's turned up but he's inconsistent unlike aspas. Aspas's Raze isn't better than Zyppan's.

Damn you said your money is on cned but I didn’t read the whole thing

Still if you think Aspas is better why is your money ob cned

Ryszafiel [#20]

The only thing saddening to me is your spelling of "loses"

*The only thing saddening to me is your spelling of "loses".

if cNed only plays sage, jett or chamber. NAVI has a chance.

cNed on raze or neon sucks + insta lose

Zerphyr1 [#23]

*The only thing saddening to me is your spelling of "loses".

*The only thing saddening to me is your spelling of "loses."

This is so embarrassing for you buddy, I hope you had a good laugh at yourself.

Asuna_Yuuki [#22]

Damn you said your money is on cned but I didn’t read the whole thing

Still if you think Aspas is better why is your money ob cned

Because I am a NAVI fan, and I think cNed has bigger impact by his own if he's in form, than aspas does but that's just me.

Zerphyr1 [#10]

Aspas >> Cned
Less => suygetsu
Saadhak >>> Ange0
Shao => Caunzin
Zyppan = tuyz

Zyppan is tiers above tuyz lmao

Aspas tuyz and cuanzin aim >>> less aim. What make less amazing is his positioning and timings but when it comes to just pure aim those three are better than him.

ZekaTheGoat [#28]

Aspas tuyz and cuanzin aim >>> less aim. What make less amazing is his positioning and timings but when it comes to just pure aim those three are better than him.

Less has great game sense but other than that, his crosshair placement, tracking, spray control and spray transfer is better than the people you mentioned. Aspas probably has better raw aim but overall Less is the impact player in the shadows. He does need aspas to activate in order to convert rounds unless he's in a clutch.

Zerphyr1 [#10]

Aspas >> Cned
Less => suygetsu
Saadhak >>> Ange0
Shao => Caunzin
Zyppan = tuyz

“Shao >= cauanzin”
“Zyppan = tuyz”

If I speak....

Ryszafiel [#26]

Because I am a NAVI fan, and I think cNed has bigger impact by his own if he's in form, than aspas does but that's just me.

Interesting…

You said objective assessment yet you’re not heing objective

This is one of the most subjective posts I’ve seen

Ryszafiel [#21]

Botdiis wasn't the reason for NAVI's downfall, it was Ange1's shitty plays.

NaVi no longer has Ardiis to keep Ange1 in check

So really ardiis was the cause of the downfall

zlat [#4]

Respectfully Angel clears
When angel dies first you get the IGL masterclass and when he is alive you get the round winning multiple kills from him. Its just a win win situation for Navi

Only thing Angel is clearing is his luggages to head back home

Asuna_Yuuki [#33]

NaVi no longer has Ardiis to keep Ange1 in check

So really ardiis was the cause of the downfall

What makes you think Ardiis kept Ange1 in check lol. Until Lock//In, Ange1 was one of the best IGLs in the scene but ever since then, he's been reckless and foolish. I wonder if it was the snus kicking in.

This comparison is terrible. If this is what we use to determine who would win, how did navi lose to koi? How did they lose to giants? You can't unironically think sheer player quality is all that matters.

Yistyy [#36]

This comparison is terrible. If this is what we use to determine who would win, how did navi lose to koi? How did they lose to giants? You can't unironically think sheer player quality is all that matters.

It's an "objective" player to player comparison. Not team chemistry, strats, tactics, calls and coordination.

Sadly even if the individual player quality is better for NAVI (which is debatable), LOUD plays the most anti-NAVI style you can conceive of.

bruhahaha [#38]

Sadly even if the individual player quality is better for NAVI (which is debatable), LOUD plays the most anti-NAVI style you can conceive of.

I want you to explain briefly how they play that way, just curious.

Ryszafiel [#39]

I want you to explain briefly how they play that way, just curious.

LOUD plays anti-info (harbor-viper) and cheeky angles (gives info and even better, time to time you get free kills), you can think of it how current CS players play CS. The best maps for this is, haven, pearl, icebox, bit less on bind but it can work well. NAVI plays more so with the old csjoe philosophy of a default for a pretty long time then explode onto site, but if you have 0 info constantly, hardly see anyone, and you lose map control when you decide to group and hit a site you're gonna have a really rough time. IMO the only EMEA teams that have an understanding of how to play against it is FNC and FUT, maybe GIA.