Can we just review how fucked Sen was by dephh and sykko over the course of 2023.
This guy single handedly played with a team of 3 champions (before marved) and managed to botch probably the easiest success story we would've seen in Val.
ORIGINAL ROLES:
Dephh: sentinel
Sacy: support ini
Pancada: controller
Zekken: flex
Tenz: duelist
Dephh didn't want to play sentinel while IGLing and so Sykko treated him like a little prince who would get his way everytime by allowing him to move to initiator and you can see how that completely fucked the entire team comp.
And people still manage to say sentinels had an entire year to make the team work, yea that's bullshit. This is exactly why they dropped sykko and I love the guy but he needs to completely remove personal bias (clearly still hasn't considering dephh is on M80 now).
Thanks for the year dephh and sykko, y'all are the only ones who could pick up sacy pancada and zekken yet still make it flop.
Dephh fucked Sen
msarez [#2]cant place all the blame on him, this roster was doomed from the start
Why was it doomed from the start? Literally everything started falling apart cause of dephh. It's not all his fault but that's why I also blame sykko. When they picked him up I didn't think nepotism and bias would be an issue the team would face and clearly I was wrong
msarez [#2]cant place all the blame on him, this roster was doomed from the start
dephh had 0 kills in 7 rounds on haven against loud.
he was the deciding factor in the loss and they would’ve qualified for tokyo at least if he held his own. dephh was not it this season.
TrialRunnr [#6]This great and all but
who asked?😂😂😂😂😂
No one did, I'm not answering anyone's questions, it's called a forum for a reason idiot
koromast [#4]blaming it on the guy who tried to make the team work instead of the guy who thought making a team out of players who speak 2 languages who would have a lot of discommunication was going to work with the magic of money.
I mean looking at the comm videos their english weren't half bad but people are hating dephh because the sentinels roles were messed up with him on the team for example he could have played sentinel and let pancada play smokes which he is actually goated on but they chose not to. Also the fact that depph was holding sentinels back a lot like it felt like a 4v5 for sentinels most of the round. An example would be him getting 0 kills against loud in 7 rounds on haven which was a map sentinel could have won and even win the entire game from
ItsHunter [#7]No one did, I'm not answering anyone's questions, it's called a forum for a reason idiot
alright but who tf asked? 😂😂😂😂😂
FrenchToast [#5]dephh had 0 kills in 7 rounds on haven against loud.
he was the deciding factor in the loss and they would’ve qualified for tokyo at least if he held his own. dephh was not it this season.
wym bro they didnt even make playoffs.
koromast [#4]blaming it on the guy who tried to make the team work instead of the guy who thought making a team out of players who speak 2 languages who would have a lot of discommunication was going to work with the magic of money.
dephh had 0 kills in 7 rounds on haven against loud.
he was the deciding factor in the loss and they would’ve qualified for tokyo at least if he held his own. dephh was not it this season.
Literally all you have to hear. Sen were 1 kill away from 2-0ing loud and qualifying to the playoffs. If dephh went 5-17 instead of going 4-19 the entire tragectory of the team would've been completely different. It's literally only on dephh and sykko for the failures of the previous iteration.
ItsHunter [#13]You aren't the brightest huh?
alright one more time if you couldnt read, who asked? 😂😂😂😂😂
msarez [#10]wym bro they didnt even make playoffs.
yes qualified for tokyo playoffs. would’ve made the season a little better in retrospect.
ItsHunter [#13]You aren't the brightest huh?
dont listen to this guy. notorious baiter and bonehead
melon_fan [#11]I hated that role swap but there’s a lot more to the failure of sen lmao
man i think sen are just cursed the role swap was just an added disadvantage
msarez [#16]dont listen to this guy. notorious baiter and bonehead
I just wanna know who asked? 😂😂😂😂😂 + fnatic flair 😂😂😂😂😂
melon_fan [#11]I hated that role swap but there’s a lot more to the failure of sen lmao
No it quite literally is only on dephh and sykko.
There are much smaller issues that lead to small mistakes in the team like poor trading and spacing, miscomms, and inconsistency but those are small things that wouldn't matter if they got the big things right like calls execs comps and comfortability.
This team was 1 kill from 2-0ing loud during louds peak in the league
msarez [#16]dont listen to this guy. notorious baiter and bonehead
I'm glad that's actually what it is cause if he was genuinely this stupid it would actually be hella sad
number1_cned_hater [#8]I mean looking at the comm videos their english weren't half bad but people are hating dephh because the sentinels roles were messed up with him on the team for example he could have played sentinel and let pancada play smokes which he is actually goated on but they chose not to. Also the fact that depph was holding sentinels back a lot like it felt like a 4v5 for sentinels most of the round. An example would be him getting 0 kills against loud in 7 rounds on haven which was a map sentinel could have won and even win the entire game from
we can blame dephh´s performance individually but we cant blame the role issue and how the team seemed to have no sinergy, ofc the voicecomms video shows the team communicating fine they wont show the bad shit, also their scrimbux shows that they were able to win matches so imo its just a performance on stage issue from the start, i also laughed at dephh but now after i matured because of kru´s redemption i realized there is more than "this guy killed less than this other thus the L was his fault"
msarez [#10]wym bro they didnt even make playoffs.
High chance to make Tokyo considering eg would be out had Sen been in
TrialRunnr [#18]I just wanna know who asked? 😂😂😂😂😂 + fnatic flair 😂😂😂😂😂
quit repping that defunct team flair
koromast [#21]we can blame dephh´s performance individually but we cant blame the role issue and how the team seemed to have no sinergy, ofc the voicecomms video shows the team communicating fine they wont show the bad shit, also their scrimbux shows that they were able to win matches so imo its just a performance on stage issue from the start, i also laughed at dephh but now after i matured because of kru´s redemption i realized there is more than "this guy killed less than this other thus the L was his fault"
wait you actually read everything I typed? wow I thought vlr users couldnt read more than 9 words.
koromast [#21]we can blame dephh´s performance individually but we cant blame the role issue and how the team seemed to have no sinergy, ofc the voicecomms video shows the team communicating fine they wont show the bad shit, also their scrimbux shows that they were able to win matches so imo its just a performance on stage issue from the start, i also laughed at dephh but now after i matured because of kru´s redemption i realized there is more than "this guy killed less than this other thus the L was his fault"
The main issue isn't even frags to begin with tho, this guy fucked the entire roster plan that Sen had before they picked the players up, you can't tell me that isn't AT LEAST 50% of the reason this team flopped
ItsHunter [#12]dephh had 0 kills in 7 rounds on haven against loud.
he was the deciding factor in the loss and they would’ve qualified for tokyo at least if he held his own. dephh was not it this season.
Literally all you have to hear. Sen were 1 kill away from 2-0ing loud and qualifying to the playoffs. If dephh went 5-17 instead of going 4-19 the entire tragectory of the team would've been completely different. It's literally only on dephh and sykko for the failures of the previous iteration.
yeah dephh could´ve killed 1 more, sacy too, pancada too, tenz too, zekken too, you blame the only guy on the team who isnt meant to get kills because he didnt got one more while you have 4 world champs next to him, dephh played awfully and needed to improve his mid rounding and also his team´s, he needed to be a leader when his team felt anxious and useless, but saying he had to kill more its delusional, look at fns´s kd when they won the masters.
number1_cned_hater [#24]wait you actually read everything I typed? wow I thought vlr users couldnt read more than 9 words.
i actually like to debate ideas, not only insult outta nowhere, stating points creates new ideas and points of view who actually make people improve
koromast [#28]i actually like to debate ideas, not only insult outta nowhere, stating points creates new ideas and points of view who actually make people improve
wow an actually smart vlr user this is rare
koromast [#27]yeah dephh could´ve killed 1 more, sacy too, pancada too, tenz too, zekken too, you blame the only guy on the team who isnt meant to get kills because he didnt got one more while you have 4 world champs next to him, dephh played awfully and needed to improve his mid rounding and also his team´s, he needed to be a leader when his team felt anxious and useless, but saying he had to kill more its delusional, look at fns´s kd when they won the masters.
TenZ didn’t play that game
ItsHunter [#22]High chance to make Tokyo considering eg would be out had Sen been in
Sen would have been grouped if they went to tokyo tbh
Pengu12 [#30]TenZ didn’t play that game
marved then, which is also a world champ, doesnt change my take tbh
ItsHunter [#19]No it quite literally is only on dephh and sykko.
There are much smaller issues that lead to small mistakes in the team like poor trading and spacing, miscomms, and inconsistency but those are small things that wouldn't matter if they got the big things right like calls execs comps and comfortability.
This team was 1 kill from 2-0ing loud during louds peak in the league
dude when sen lost to loud that was when loud were playing at their worst in the league.
- you wanna keep tenz on duelist when hes shown time and time again he is incredibly inflexible and can only play jett.
- we basically have these roles rn (only difference is pancada on sentinel) and they're shit
- you still wanna keep tenz on the team despite him being incredibly mid since beginning of 2022.
dephh wasn't a good fit for the team and it wasn't working out yes but the reality you wanted was not much better. Sacy still got to play initiator for lots of this split and was mid asf. Tenz played many jett games and was mid as usual. Zekken is the only one on the team who has been consistently solid dephh was not and never will be the only issue with that team it was a mess from inception regardless of roles.
ItsHunter [#3]Why was it doomed from the start? Literally everything started falling apart cause of dephh. It's not all his fault but that's why I also blame sykko. When they picked him up I didn't think nepotism and bias would be an issue the team would face and clearly I was wrong
dude dephh wasnt even that bad
the team just needed a little bit more time instead of instant roster changes (and the sykko kick)
look at liquid
ass at the start
now top team itw
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