For me it is just all the best teams in the world coming together to compete for a trophy.
Everything else doesnt really matter.
So to me Lockin was indeed a major.
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Okbrook [#3]But who are you, the impious?
No child of the Lord has ever heard of a poor wretch whose paganism has earned him his affliction and whose temporality is not recorded in the Holy Scriptures.
Does your disruptive pamphlet on the good morals instituted by our Lord Christ, concerning lust, fornication and concupiscence, devote itself to perverting our ascetic brethren into the deviation of the paracletetic light?
Providentially, your paganist rantings of incontinent fornication do nothing to enslave the will and dedication to the impenetrable ways and abstinence of our brother ascetics.
We, the faithful, were dogmatically obliged to forgive you your sins and enjoin you to wander the land that received your own seed from your own hand, and to make no further attempt to dislocate the Christian covenant.
May you regain divine graces, forgiveness and joy over your spiritual state in spite of this.
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if everything is a major then nothing is.
In CSGO, where you're stealing the term from, a Major is literally the biggest tournament and achievement you can get out of all tournaments.
In Valorant, Lock In was a PR stunt. Masters are filler events, and Champions are pretty much the only thing that matters.
Okbrook [#3]But who are you, the impious?
No child of the Lord has ever heard of a poor wretch whose paganism has earned him his affliction and whose temporality is not recorded in the Holy Scriptures.
Does your disruptive pamphlet on the good morals instituted by our Lord Christ, concerning lust, fornication and concupiscence, devote itself to perverting our ascetic brethren into the deviation of the paracletetic light?
Providentially, your paganist rantings of incontinent fornication do nothing to enslave the will and dedication to the impenetrable ways and abstinence of our brother ascetics.
We, the faithful, were dogmatically obliged to forgive you your sins and enjoin you to wander the land that received your own seed from your own hand, and to make no further attempt to dislocate the Christian covenant.
May you regain divine graces, forgiveness and joy over your spiritual state in spite of this.
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aylez [#2]riot international event w/ trophy
lock//in was a major
if riot hosted red bull home ground you would call it a major
the difference between 5th place prize at champs and lock\in winner is smaller than difference between lock\in winner and red bull winner
no double elim
no qualifiers
smallest international lan prizepool
only 5 competitve teams and multiple teams with visa issues and teams that admitted to not caring
I speak for all when i say lock\in was not a major but a glorified tarik x ludwig invitational pro max
alecksdesk [#4]has to be a double elim with all top tier teams across regions for me to count it
lock//in wasn't a major.
The double elim part seems completely arbitrary to me.
Is league of legends worlds not the biggest event/major in esports despite being single elim?
Loud_Neymar [#11]The double elim part seems completely arbitrary to me.
Is league of legends worlds not the biggest event/major in esports despite being single elim?
i think double elim makes the "luck" factor lower, you need to beat the same team twice and it makes lower bracket runs fun to watch.
no need to mention league since its a differnet game and i dont have opinion on it as i dont play it
Loud_Neymar [#11]The double elim part seems completely arbitrary to me.
Is league of legends worlds not the biggest event/major in esports despite being single elim?
low iq subhuman take imo
League has playins, a losers brackets in playins a swiss format then a knockout
plus a huge ass prize pool
lock\in had a tiny prize pool ( 100k less than even the first event riot hosted 2 years ago )
and a bunch of new teams
SAMPV6 [#7]if everything is a major then nothing is.
In CSGO, where you're stealing the term from, a Major is literally the biggest tournament and achievement you can get out of all tournaments.
In Valorant, Lock In was a PR stunt. Masters are filler events, and Champions are pretty much the only thing that matters.
If saying major is wrong due to it being different in Csgo then maybe we just need to use another word in Valorant.
But "international trophy" doesnt sound as good as the term "major" I suppose.
I dont see enough of a competetive distinction between Masters and Champs to seperate them like you. Is adding 4 lower seeded teams really such a big deal?
I think no.
cboomer [#14]low iq subhuman take imo
League has playins, a losers brackets in playins a swiss format then a knockout
plus a huge ass prize pool
lock\in had a tiny prize pool ( 100k less than even the first event riot hosted 2 years ago )
and a bunch of new teams
You are very rude.
My main criterion remains having the best teams in the world present. Leagues playins teams have very very rarely mattered. Playins is essentially a second tier worlds for regions too far behind.
Loud_Neymar [#17]You are very rude.
My main criterion remains having the best teams in the world present. Leagues playins teams have very very rarely mattered. Playins is essentially a second tier worlds for regions too far behind.
I know but in league Worlds is the culmination, it's obviously a major and it has several parts to it
Just from Lock\ins format you eliminate the chance to see bouncebacks
In league the swiss format removes a lot of the doubts for me.
cboomer [#10]if riot hosted red bull home ground you would call it a major
the difference between 5th place prize at champs and lock\in winner is smaller than difference between lock\in winner and red bull winner
no double elim
no qualifiers
smallest international lan prizepool
only 5 competitve teams and multiple teams with visa issues and teams that admitted to not caring
I speak for all when i say lock\in was not a major but a glorified tarik x ludwig invitational pro max
Every T1 team in the world was there. If these teams dont suffice to be a major than no event ever will.
Double elim and prize pool is a secondary/arbitrary metric. The teams attending is what matters.
Congo1 [#19]Every T1 team in the world was there. If these teams dont suffice to be a major than no event ever will.
Double elim and prize pool is a secondary/arbitrary metric. The teams attending is what matters.
7 franchised teams attended red bull home ground is it a major?
there were max 5 teams you can say tried to win lock\in
you are diluting what people consider ta major if you call a small minded event one.
acels2 [#23]major is a CS term lol, valorant shudnt even be using this term
they were assuming riot would stop messing around and have more than 2-3 tournaments a year...
acels2 [#23]major is a CS term lol, valorant shudnt even be using this term
tbh champs is S+ lock\in would just be A then you fill in the tiers with prize pool/number of qualified teams
cboomer [#21]7 franchised teams attended red bull home ground is it a major?
there were max 5 teams you can say tried to win lock\in
you are diluting what people consider ta major if you call a small minded event one.
"Max 5 teams that tried to win lockin" < "7 Franchised teams at Homegrounds!!!!! "
You just make shit up as you please. The 5 teams wanting to win is utter nonsense. Laughable really. Your reasoning is equivalent to that of covid deniers and flat earthers.
Just keep pulling made up shit out of your ass to suit the narratives your feefees want to believe in so strongly
Congo1 [#30]"Max 5 teams that tried to win lockin" < "7 Franchised teams at Homegrounds!!!!! "
You just make shit up as you please. The 5 teams wanting to win is utter nonsense. Laughable really. Your reasoning is equivalent to that of covid deniers and flat earthers.
Just keep pulling made up shit out of your ass to suit the narratives your feefees want to believe in so strongly
i mean 5 teams wanted to win lol thats an honest truth and thats counting navi and im p sure ange1 said he didnt take it serious but idc to find the proof
by your criteria redbull homeground is a major btw thats on you
capital_d_colon [#26]Any International event thats part of the VCT circuit is a major event.
I kinda dont like the term "major" event.
I think it would be easier if we called Champions event -> Champs
and masters/lockin -> Master events.
Thats is true. But i think an umbrella term is necessary to describe both in one. There is not enough of a competetive difference between champs and masters to put them on completely other tiers.
You essentially just add 4 lower seeds imo.
So the ugly&long term "international trophies" Will have to do the Job
cboomer [#31]i mean 5 teams wanted to win lol thats an honest truth and thats counting navi and im p sure ange1 said he didnt take it serious but idc to find the proof
by your criteria redbull homeground is a major btw thats on you
wdym 5 teams wanted to win? every team attending wanted to win it and red bull homeground didnt even have the top teams, lock//in had every team and top 4 had the best teams
starxito_sike [#33]wdym 5 teams wanted to win? every team attending wanted to win it and red bull homeground didnt even have the top teams, lock//in had every team and top 4 had the best teams
you think liquid who practiced for a week came to win? most teams walked off stage and didnt care when they were eliminated go watch it again LOL
Congo1 [#32]Thats is true. But i think an umbrella term is necessary to describe both in one. There is not enough of a competetive difference between champs and masters to put them on completely other tiers.
You essentially just add 4 lower seeds imo.
So the ugly&long term "international trophies" Will have to do the Job
I agree.
It doesn't feel like Champions is as standout or prestigious as a csgo major or a LoL worlds.
It's hard to improve the champions allure without reducing the interest of masters significantly.
I guess something simple like some ingame memorabilia for the champs winner could help?
Or some slight change in format / expansion of the event.
Loud_Neymar [#16]If saying major is wrong due to it being different in Csgo then maybe we just need to use another word in Valorant.
But "international trophy" doesnt sound as good as the term "major" I suppose.
I dont see enough of a competetive distinction between Masters and Champs to seperate them like you. Is adding 4 lower seeded teams really such a big deal?
I think no.
Yeah that'd be the best thing IMO, finding something other than "major" -- if everything is a major then nothing is.
And well these other tourneys don't really offer the same stakes, lower prize pools, Champs has more competitive teams "in theory".
cboomer [#34]you think liquid who practiced for a week came to win? most teams walked off stage and didnt care when they were eliminated go watch it again LOL
that's liquid's problem, why didnt they start practising earlier? it is not like nats or redgar didnt have their visa for bootcamp in netherlands, teams like fnc, sen started from january and please watch tl vs secret again to see if they cared or not
Masters/Champions. Lock-In should've been a Majors but its like half and half, no teams were prepared and shit was way too quick tournament so it kinda sucks. But yea in terms of top international teams coming together to play, its a major tournament. But the value of it isn't big enough to be considered a Major imo.
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