if they win champs, they became best team OAT
2nd place, they surpass gambit and become 4th best
3rd+ place, they remain at 5th
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msarez [#2]ur saying fnatic is 5th rn???? thats CRAZY
easily first already and champions win will cement that for years to come
Bro are we reading the same thing
msarez [#2]ur saying fnatic is 5th rn???? thats CRAZY
easily first already and champions win will cement that for years to come
well yeah. I think they need to place in another major. masters 2021 was an entirely different roster
brobeans [#6]well yeah. I think they need to place in another major. masters 2021 was an entirely different roster
they already won 2 w this roster bro thats already better than any team
zidmz [#3]what is your all time ranking???
loud=optic > gambit > fnatic
Sen anywhere above since they had the most dominant era
msarez [#8]they already won 2 w this roster bro thats already better than any team
? they only won Masters 2023. they lost masters 2021 plus as i said, different roster
brobeans [#10]? they only won Masters 2023. they lost masters 2021 plus as i said, different roster
are you a lockin denier aswell?
BayArea [#7]this bitch is so retarded, every one of his posts just nukes every single brain cell in my body
masaru will skye diff Leo
brobeans [#6]well yeah. I think they need to place in another major. masters 2021 was an entirely different roster
Lockin owns your lineage
cboomer [#14]tbf lock\in is worth less than redbull home ground so this is fair
Youre one dumb mofo
brobeans [#9]loud=optic > gambit > fnatic
Sen anywhere above since they had the most dominant era
era??? sen had a dominant tournament.
fnc has lost a single game all year
Congo1 [#18]Youre one dumb mofo
no but by his criteria hes going by greatest teams oat not best
fnatic is the best but nobody gaf ab lock\in so cant really be above envy core who has been to like 3 finals
best=/greatest
Congo1 [#16]Lockin owns your lineage
it was a fluke bro all the teams like sen and 100t were saving strats for champs 🗿
zidmz [#19]era??? sen had a dominant tournament.
fnc has lost a single game all year
True. I could place Sen lower. Sen peak is higher than fnatic and they won a bunch of early val stuff but losing one game this year is crazy
Sen could go either 1st or after fnatic imo
cboomer [#20]no but by his criteria hes going by greatest teams oat not best
fnatic is the best but nobody gaf ab lock\in so cant really be above envy core who has been to like 3 finals
best=/greatest
You are deluding yourself if you think people didnt treat lockin like any other major. People worked their asses off to win it just like masters. They reacted to wins and losses the same. The conclusions drawn from the event were the same.
This is a very very silly attempt at denying Fnc their deserved accolades
Congo1 [#22]Lockin is a major. Stop pretending
there's just too many reasons + no one called it one until after it happened.
just can't see a pre-season/kick-off event with no prize money & barely any teams as a major
once valorant finally gets some off-season/non-major tournaments, lock-in will just be another one of those
Congo1 [#24]You are deluding yourself if you think people didnt treat lockin like any other major. People worked their asses off to win it just like masters. They reacted to wins and losses the same. The conclusions drawn from the event were the same.
This is a very very silly attempt at denying Fnc their deserved accolades
and many of them didn't work their ass off bc it was only invited teams. no qualifiers and some teams were brand new
I personally wouldn't try my best in a show tournament with no money
Congo1 [#22]Lockin is a major. Stop pretending
LOCK//IN was not Masters tournament. Sounds like some people need to take this issue with Riot, they decided that it is not a Masters (or in your head Major) tournament.
Not sure why this is still a debate, take it up with Riot, rather than fighting facts on vlr.
brobeans [#26]and many of them didn't work their ass off bc it was only invited teams. no qualifiers and some teams were brand new
I personally wouldn't try my best in a show tournament with no money
there was money brainlet
Congo1 [#24]You are deluding yourself if you think people didnt treat lockin like any other major. People worked their asses off to win it just like masters. They reacted to wins and losses the same. The conclusions drawn from the event were the same.
This is a very very silly attempt at denying Fnc their deserved accolades
riot literally said lock\in was just a kickstarter for franchised
A lot of the good teams now didnt care about lock\in or didnt have the same time or advantages fnatic had going into it
EG PRX EDG all needed time and fnatic just cared more than everyone else.. bc it was a show match
its a good win but lock\in + tokyo isnt as hard as envy core making top 3 4 times out of 5 straight
brobeans [#26]and many of them didn't work their ass off bc it was only invited teams. no qualifiers and some teams were brand new
I personally wouldn't try my best in a show tournament with no money
You are not a pro. Noone gives a fuck what you would or wouldnt do.
The pros came to win and nothing else.
They worked their asses off in scrimms. They worked their asses off in the many series they played at the event.
Lockin was a Major.
msarez [#28]there was money brainlet
like the same as winning the region leagues. even GC had more money
Congo1 [#30]You are not a pro. Noone gives a fuck what you would or wouldnt do.
The pros came to win and nothing else.
They worked their asses off in scrimms. They worked their asses off in the many series they played at the event.
Lockin was a Major.
for many teams, it was their first game as team
You are not a pro and not riot. Your opinion doesn't matter
Congo1 [#30]You are not a pro. Noone gives a fuck what you would or wouldnt do.
The pros came to win and nothing else.
They worked their asses off in scrimms. They worked their asses off in the many series they played at the event.
Lockin was a Major.
pros literally did not come to win, navi literally placed top 4
it was a 100k prize pool for first place for comparision mf masters 2 in 2021 was 200k LMFAO
just not an s tier event there was 5 good teams and they were only good bc they were cores absolutely no competition.
brobeans [#25]there's just too many reasons + no one called it one until after it happened.
just can't see a pre-season/kick-off event with no prize money & barely any teams as a major
once valorant finally gets some off-season/non-major tournaments, lock-in will just be another one of those
Prize money doesn't mean anything
It's a LAN event with the best teams across the globe and winner takes the trophy
The only difference is that it's HARDER to win lock-in because there's no lower bracket so players are playing in the most pressured circumstances
And the "barely any teams as a major" makes no sense because fnatic played more games at lock-in than tokyo
brobeans [#32]for many teams, it was their first game as team
You are not a pro and not riot. Your opinion doesn't matter
he wants to glorify a 25 team show match and 5 team tournament
you can only argue nrg loud drx navi and fnatic even cared about winning lol
liquid is the only team to beat liquid in this era and they were a brand new team who got ruined by secret thats how LITTLE this event matters
seankukuz [#34]Prize money doesn't mean anything
It's a LAN event with the best teams across the globe and winner takes the trophy
The only difference is that it's HARDER to win lock-in because there's no lower bracket so players are playing in the most pressured circumstances
And the "barely any teams as a major" makes no sense because fnatic played more games at lock-in than tokyo
cap. majority of tokyo teams played weeks to qualify for it
also, prize money means a lot. that's how teams decided what a major was in csgo
single-elim means it's harder for good teams to win and easier for bad teams to win
cboomer [#29]riot literally said lock\in was just a kickstarter for franchised
A lot of the good teams now didnt care about lock\in or didnt have the same time or advantages fnatic had going into it
EG PRX EDG all needed time and fnatic just cared more than everyone else.. bc it was a show match
its a good win but lock\in + tokyo isnt as hard as envy core making top 3 4 times out of 5 straight
I choose to believe youre baiting me. A reality where a human being could believe this nonsense is one that would make me vomit from incredulity and despair.
Fnc needed time just as much as anybody else. They had 2 new players. Just like Loud. DRX had 0. A core that played together for years. PRX sucked and made a roster change. Their Locking team was exactly the same as the previous year.
The gap between FNC and the rest only increased since then. Not the other way around.
No other team ever won 2 Majors. And FNC dropped only 3 Maps in both tournaments combined...
This makes it the greatest run ever.
Lockin is a major and FNC is undeniably the greatest team of all time.
cboomer [#29]riot literally said lock\in was just a kickstarter for franchised
A lot of the good teams now didnt care about lock\in or didnt have the same time or advantages fnatic had going into it
EG PRX EDG all needed time and fnatic just cared more than everyone else.. bc it was a show match
its a good win but lock\in + tokyo isnt as hard as envy core making top 3 4 times out of 5 straight
some people want so bad to make LOCK//IN a major tournament to fit their narrative... they should just make a petition to Riot so they can update the name to "Masters LOCK//IN" , not sure why there's even a debate occurring on this. Currently the facts are more than clear, Riot didn't want to make it a Masters/Major, therefore.. it is not one. Pretty simple, even for the most braindead ppl
donkkomong [#36]In terms of team strength, individual players, overall teamplay and chemistry, etc, no team in history is better than this current Fnatic team.
We'll see who they lose to in Champs, if they even lose, and the victor would have to be a really good team.
well no shit. practically every t1 team today is better than any any team from last year
seankukuz [#34]Prize money doesn't mean anything
It's a LAN event with the best teams across the globe and winner takes the trophy
The only difference is that it's HARDER to win lock-in because there's no lower bracket so players are playing in the most pressured circumstances
And the "barely any teams as a major" makes no sense because fnatic played more games at lock-in than tokyo
single elim is the single least competitive format imaginable, it made teams like talon,navi and leviatan look half decent
Congo1 [#38]I choose to believe youre baiting me. A reality where a human being could believe this nonsense is one that would make me vomit from incredulity and despair.
Fnc needed time just as much as anybody else. They had 2 new players. Just like Loud. DRX had 0. A core that played together for years. PRX sucked and made a roster change. Their Locking team was exactly the same as the previous year.
The gap between FNC and the rest only increased since then. Not the other way around.
No other team ever won 2 Majors. And FNC dropped only 3 Maps in both tournaments combined...
This makes it the greatest run ever.Lockin is a major and FNC is undeniably the greatest team of all time.
ok Sen dropped 0 maps in their major > fnatic dropped 1 in their's
brobeans [#37]cap. majority of tokyo teams played weeks to qualify for it
also, prize money means a lot. that's how teams decided what a major was in csgo
single-elim means it's harder for good teams to win and easier for bad teams to win
Teams aren't thinking about the prize money, they're thinking about winning a trophy (unless it's NA but NA doesn't win)
Single elim produces the single handed BEST valorant team to win since it forces teams to limit mistakes.
It's harder for teams like NAVI and NRG to win because they are inconsistent
Congo1 [#38]I choose to believe youre baiting me. A reality where a human being could believe this nonsense is one that would make me vomit from incredulity and despair.
Fnc needed time just as much as anybody else. They had 2 new players. Just like Loud. DRX had 0. A core that played together for years. PRX sucked and made a roster change. Their Locking team was exactly the same as the previous year.
The gap between FNC and the rest only increased since then. Not the other way around.
No other team ever won 2 Majors. And FNC dropped only 3 Maps in both tournaments combined...
This makes it the greatest run ever.Lockin is a major and FNC is undeniably the greatest team of all time.
nah lock\in isnt a major sorry bro no such thing as a major with 5 teams competing lol
either way even if it was envy core making 4/5 top 3 straight at actual lan events not mickey mouse showmatches is greater than this atm..
they are the BEST team but envy accomplished more from berlin to champs 22
FNC needed time but they were together from like october of 2022 scrimming
PRX players came out and said they were just having fun at lock\in and a lot of teams got together a week or two before that event
ima repeat it again lock\in had the smallest prize pool of any international event, all 30 teams were there, no qualifiers, and fnatic had MONTHS more to practice than any other team due to immigration issues other teams had
jawn [#41]single elim is the single least competitive format imaginable, it made teams like talon,navi and leviatan look half decent
talon won against EG without demon1 and MIBR in very close margins
navi beat kru and secret
lev beat fluke division and vitality
They aren't beating any good teams T_T just expected outcomes
you just overrated them
brobeans [#42]ok Sen dropped 0 maps in their major > fnatic dropped 1 in their's
Fnc won 2 majors.... Sen only one
seankukuz [#43]Teams aren't thinking about the prize money, they're thinking about winning a trophy (unless it's NA but NA doesn't win)
Single elim produces the single handed BEST valorant team to win since it forces teams to limit mistakes.
It's harder for teams like NAVI and NRG to win because they are inconsistent
Single elim produces the single handed BEST valorant team to win
most braindead thing yet
brobeans [#48]Single elim produces the single handed BEST valorant team to win
most braindead thing yet
Calling my argument braindead doesn't really help your argument bro T_T
brobeans [#40]well no shit. practically every t1 team today is better than any any team from last year
Hell nah. after Fnatic, Optic > all
seankukuz [#45]talon won against EG without demon1 and MIBR in very close margins
navi beat kru and secret
lev beat fluke division and vitality
They aren't beating any good teams T_T just expected outcomes
you just overrated them
"without demon1" tells me all i need to know about ur hindsight harry ass
Qwertyy [#51]bro theyre already astralis
astralis disrespect is crazy, fnatic is no where near astralis yet
jawn [#52]"without demon1" tells me all i need to know about ur hindsight harry ass
U do remember how well they performed in the Americas league right
seankukuz [#43]Teams aren't thinking about the prize money, they're thinking about winning a trophy (unless it's NA but NA doesn't win)
Single elim produces the single handed BEST valorant team to win since it forces teams to limit mistakes.
It's harder for teams like NAVI and NRG to win because they are inconsistent
Single elim produces the single handed BEST valorant team to win since it forces teams to limit mistakes.
This would make sense had it been done when teams were already well established and not the first event of the year with completely new rosters with little to no cohesion or chemistry
PandaZ [#55]Single elim produces the single handed BEST valorant team to win since it forces teams to limit mistakes.
This would make sense had it been done when teams were already well established and not the first event of the year with completely new rosters with little to no cohesion or chemistry
so fucking true...yet almost any americas fan just slanders the format itself yet it would be as important as masters if LOUD win it
brobeans [#23]True. I could place Sen lower. Sen peak is higher than fnatic and they won a bunch of early val stuff but losing one game this year is crazy
Sen could go either 1st or after fnatic imo
Frankly, I believe that you are delusional
seankukuz [#45]talon won against EG without demon1 and MIBR in very close margins
navi beat kru and secret
lev beat fluke division and vitality
They aren't beating any good teams T_T just expected outcomes
you just overrated them
brother demon1 was an afterthought at most at the point of lockin...
FloKa [#56]so fucking true...yet almost any americas fan just slanders the format itself yet it would be as important as masters if LOUD win it
Thats the thing tho, if LOUD had won it and Brazilians claim it as a major event I guarantee you that EU would be arguing that it isnt a major. There's no outcome in which both sides are in an agreement its just how vlr works lol
TmhariMummy [#54]U do remember how well they performed in the Americas league right
lock-in was before americas league u dumb shit
PandaZ [#60]Thats the thing tho, if LOUD had won it and Brazilians claim it as a major event I guarantee you that EU would be arguing that it isnt a major. There's no outcome in which both sides are in an agreement its just how vlr works lol
next time have prx win it so everyone can complain...btw totally agree people jsut make up their own world
FloKa [#62]next time have prx win it so everyone can complain...btw totally agree people jsut make up their own world
facts we need PRX to break this dumb NA vs EMEA hate cycle
jawn [#52]"without demon1" tells me all i need to know about ur hindsight harry ass
wdym hindsight harry ass? After Demon1 joined, the firepower became overwhemingly higher with everyone peaking at Tokyo and potter actually started using her brain. EG was shit at lockin
seankukuz [#64]wdym hindsight harry ass? After Demon1 joined, the firepower became overwhemingly higher with everyone peaking at Tokyo and potter actually started using her brain. EG was shit at lockin
because none of those results were actually expected, you're only saying that based on your current knowledge
jawn [#65]because none of those results were actually expected, you're only saying that based on your current knowledge
Those results were expected bro T_T Talon had the X10 core which beat Envy and took a map off of gambit and you think they weren't favourites against EG and MIBR? you smokin some dick
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